survival knives

The Cold Steel San Mai III knives are awfully expensive to be used for things like chopping and batoning. They can do it, but in my opinion you're better off with something like the Ontario Raider Bowie, a heavy and relatively inexpensive knife that you won't feel too badly about roughing up. The Ontario is the closest thing to indestructible that I have. The Ka-Bar Large Heavy Bowie also is a decent outdoor knife, and despite its name, it's strong, light and very durable.

Actually, I have a cheap Frost knock-off of the Smith & Wesson Homeland Security that's a full tang, Chinese tanto with a heavy spine. It cost me about thirteen bucks and my wife uses it for chopping in our yard and she's even used the tip to dig up weeds. At the end of the day, it's covered with dirt, but I always clean, sharpen and oil it, and in the winter I put it in the trunk of our car and use it to break away snow and ice if we get stuck. It's a piece of garbage -- a junk knife in the strictest sense of the word, but if faced with a sudden and unforseen survival situation, this $13 knife would chop and baton, and I could give it to a person who could use it. It also can pry like a tire iron! My point is, why use a beautiful, expensive knife that your children and grandchildren could use when you can use a cheaper, super robust knife for beating a log in half?

The San Mai III knives Cold Steel makes are beautiful, but it's essentially something made for luster and beauty. VG-1 doesn't need panals of polished 420 to protect it from "the rigors of battle" (as Lynn Thompson says). A couple of years ago they were making blades solely of VG-1 and singing its praises for being tough and holding an edge. Since then, they decided to make it their premium steel.
 
Fallkniven should b available in South Africa. Martin knives (Ed and Newt) makes some great knives too.
 
Buy a BK16 and a Small Forest axe. If you are on a budget buy a BK16 and a Husqvarna hatchet because you will be much happier having two tools. If weight is an issue and you are on a budget buy a BK16 and a Cold Steel tomahawk.

If you really must just have one tool to do it all a lot of people love the ESEE6. I own one and like it, but like my BK16 and another tool more.

I'm a fan of multiple knives because there just aren't many situations where you can only have one. If you are it's probably a pocket knife anyway. If you are going hiking deep into the woods pack a few tools. If you are driving far into the woods pack a few tools. If you are going hunting pack a few tools starting with a SAK.

Just my opinion. Wish you the best with whatever you pick.
 
Could you post a picture of this hatchet? Thanks, DM

David....sorry for the slow reply. I'm just now back looking at this thread.

I don't post pics on here for a number of reasons but the hatchet is nothing special at all. :) They are available in most hardware stores as far as I know. Just Google 'riggers hatchet' and they will pop up. You've seen a million of them. It is basically a 3" or so blade face with a hammer head on the other side instead of just being a block of steel. The hammer part comes in VERY handy outdoors. I built mine, due to circumstance, but you just buy em ready-made at da Wal Mart.

You can also look up 'carpenter's hatchet' for about the same thing with a shorter handle.

As far as my personal hatchet, to describe it, it's an old one I cobbled together way back....aftermarket Hartwell Hickory Flama Hickory Huntsman handle (16" I think)....a good solid, heavy God-knows-what-tool-steel-or-how-old hatchet/hammer head that I had to recondition; I waffled the hamerhead to make it tougher too...I drove dual steel wedges to set the head when I made it, still lock solid....leather wrapped the handle at the bottom and in the handle bend, leaving both thumb and wrist slip-lanyards,...did some woodburning patterning in a few places (like knife jimping), some of it decorative, for better grip...etc. It's nothing deserving of a photo, believe me---it looks exactly like a decades old user woods ax, hickory a bit yellowed though nicely aged from use, rather beat-up looking. It has been a great companion in the wild for a long time though.
 
I'm with the people who suggest you an axe. I would go for a Roselli axe, it fills your needs perfectly.

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Ok, I thought you did some other things. I did google riggers axe & hatchet. Much came up. Mine is like that and has the waffled hammer head and blade is about 2 1/2". It has the smaller eye for handle. I think yours has the larger eye. Mine is old, perhaps from the 40's. Maybe 01 or A2 steel. Thanks, DM
 
The Cold Steel San Mai III knives are awfully expensive to be used for things like chopping and batoning. They can do it, but in my opinion you're better off with something like the Ontario Raider Bowie, a heavy and relatively inexpensive knife that you won't feel too badly about roughing up.....

The San Mai III knives Cold Steel makes are beautiful, but it's essentially something made for luster and beauty. VG-1 doesn't need panals of polished 420 to protect it from "the rigors of battle" (as Lynn Thompson says). A couple of years ago they were making blades solely of VG-1 and singing its praises for being tough and holding an edge. Since then, they decided to make it their premium steel.

You're right. Sam mai IS expensive. It would NOT be something Joe and Martha in the burbs kitchen would ever need or notice, or Joe the trail hiker for that matter. But you're getting facile in that post....

I have several san mai blades on widely varying knives, some of them duplicated with the standard model. The ones I have I like. I am under the impression that good san mai actually results in a stronger blade as well as it being more flexible, i.e. 'tougher.' than either of the individual steels. I'd love to hear more on this...maybe I'm wrong..

I recently posted somewhere here an example: I have a BK-11csm (core being Hitachi White #2) and a BK-14. The san mai noticeably outperforms the Cro-Van of the BK-14 in desirablel steel attributes. The knives even have very different feels (stiffness) as well although one could claim it due to the handle differences. Basically the same blades...equal tasks, different steels.

I know it's technical but just saying..I think there are a couple of advantages to san mai. Whether they are worth the cost or not is lies with the beholder.
 
Ok, I thought you did some other things. I did google riggers axe & hatchet. Much came up. Mine is like that and has the waffled hammer head and blade is about 2 1/2". It has the smaller eye for handle. I think yours has the larger eye. Mine is old, perhaps from the 40's. Maybe 01 or A2 steel. Thanks, DM

Cool. Your waffle job probably looks a lot better than mine---think I did it around a campfire with a SAK file over about three nights. I can't identify the steel of mine but it's badass stuff. It' s black now with patina and a suprisingly even coat of pine pitch, spruce juice, oak choke and other deciduous residues clear back past the handle so I only keep the edge lubed and maintained. Picked up a cheap blade cover for it and it's usually carried clipped to my pack, head-up for left underhand access.

I'm not that into the ax culture and to some of the minimalists out there my hatchet's probably a bit heavy to carry, but for me it's just one more tier on the bush blade ladder... but....when I do decide it's an "axe trip" it's always a pleasure when I need it for something I'd rather not do with the bigknife.
 
I can agree with all the people that said BK9. If it is a little too big for you, then the BK7 is for you. My primary knife is the Esee 6, which I also love. It also comes with a bit better sheath than the beckers do IMO, but for the price there is 100% nothing better than the Beckers.
 
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