Survival uses for fishhooks

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Almost all of us approach our skills and emergency preparations differently. In a likwise time of woods bumming, I have never felt the need to carry a machete or a heavy chopping knife. Nor have I found it essential to carry a packful of blades. I've even gone about with no blade and improvised a cutting tool when one was needed. Likewise a fishhook can be improvised. People were fishing for many centuries before fishhooks were invented by using gorges, entanglements and pieces of worked bone or thorns.
 
The backyard/local park has taken the place of the wild.:thumbdn: :thumbdn:
Well, my "backyard" is a gravel driveway, so not practicing there...
I used to bitch about how I had no accesss most of the time to the "wild", living in a city and not having a car.
Then I noticed while on the bus that there were stretches of "wild" in the city, if you looked for them, complete with trees, frogs, thorns and nasty bugs.:)
So, I quit my whining and went out there.
Sure I'd like to get out to the deep woods on a regular basis, but it ain't happening. But at least I'm going outside and doing something.:thumbup:
 
I have used large treble hooks and strong line to retrieve things that have fallen down a well. This has modest survival applications.
 
fishhooks are good for food getting .

If you can hide the hook in a bait that will be eaten youll catch stuff .. dogs cats birds .... BUT expect the same reaction from what you catch as you get from a fish , massive pain / panic lots of jumping and yowling etc . Jam a hook into anythings mouth / guts and itll jump around , fish do , and often its NOT because they are having fun .

Eat what you catch , kill it asap . People who put creatures thru trauma and cruelty for just "sport" , even fish , are plain cruel in my opinion , but this is my opinion , I dont see the sport in it .

snaring , trapping , pretty well anything short of shooting by govt approved and regulated methods is going to get you into legal difficulty sooner or later , this can be good or bad , make sure you only do it in a situation where youre going to be glad to see the cop who is going to extract vengeance for the critters you ate because it means eventual rescue / return to civilization
 
G'day Karda

Probably because it isnt JMO. ;)
The effort of an indignant rant is better used to provide constructive input (teaching) rather than condemnation.
I take it you have never heard of the term "constructive critism"?

Afterall this is the "wilderness & survival forum", isn't it?

Is it unreasonable to expect that those who express their opinion as fact (i.e. those who don't bother to include IMO with their posts) have shown they are speaking from first hand experience in the wilderness, rather than the point of view of someone who is practicing their skills?

Or do you subscribe to that moronic point of view that 'if your not with us, your against us"? :thumbdn:


Mick
 
Give it a rest Mick. Don't mess with the friendly suggestions of the mods and you will find life here much more pleasant. As will the rest of us. IMO.
 
You guys are a hoot!

You should rename this Forum "Wilderness Picnic skills and Politically Correct Crafts."

I may start a thread discussing the trama that small organisms go through when we boil water. Fish? how about what the worm feels when the hook rips through its tender body...what about the other worms that have to see their friend die?....THE HUMANITY! :)
 
Guys, this is not the place to complain about the forum or pick petty arguments with each other.

Please keep this topic on subject.
 
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To my way of thinking, wilderness survival skills includes the ability to "McGuyver" with anything you carry or find. Discussing alternate uses for common items is in no way off topic. Fishhooks, for many of us, are commonly carried items. For some people, rifle or pistol cartridges are commonly carried items. Or often found items. They have a myriad of uses too besides their original intended purpose. Also to my way of thinking, limiting discussion of illegal and/or dangerous uses of items here is a matter of responsible and useful posting. That is the main reason I am not willing to discuss illegal means of harvesting fish and am constantly reminding folks to be sure of their local laws. Certain common fishing items are illegal to even posess in some habitats and jurisdictions. Promoting knowledge that can get people in a lot of legal hot water and/or damage the environment is not something I care to participate in nor something the site owner wishes us to engage in here.
 
Codger, I've edited my post above to simplify and clarify my intention. I agree with you that the discussion of alternate uses is not off topic, it's the bickering that I was referring to.
 
Codger, I've edited my post above to simplify and clarify my intention. I agree with you that the discussion of alternate uses is not off topic, it's the bickering that I was referring to.

I knew that. I really knew that. I did. I was responding to other posters, not a mod. :p

Actually, I was trying to clarify the points that I hopefully made both before and in that post.
 
Definitely keep a few hooks in your small survival kit that you might carry on even day hikes. I carry a barbed fishing arrow point in my kit for "you never know" kinds of uses. A lot more effective than a stick.

For survival purposes, small hooks work very well as you are not doing this for sport, but for food. But I still would carry an modest assortment of sizes as the bigger ones are stronger and can be fashioned for other purposes in a pinch.
 
You guys are a hoot!

You should rename this Forum "Wilderness Picnic skills and Politically Correct Crafts."

I may start a thread discussing the trama that small organisms go through when we boil water. Fish? how about what the worm feels when the hook rips through its tender body...what about the other worms that have to see their friend die?....THE HUMANITY! :)

What stops you ?

I have seen that an animal that is left in distress will make the other game around the area a lot more edgy and harder to catch . This is about survival .. it can be hard enough to get game when its needed ... by allowing what you do catch to scare the crap out of the rest of what is around , you do yourself no favors .

There is more than humane reasons to kill stuff quickly , there is the purely selfish motive of survival as well . This is just my experience tho , it seems yours differs somewhat .
 
Myal, I am not sure I understand your post but I will try and respond to your observations as best I can. What I was trying to say was that if you do not like the idea of a fish on a hook, what about the bait? or the microscopic orgainisms that die when you boil water. I guess size does matter? If fish are experiencing "massive pain" "jumping and yowling" etc..what about the worm?

I do not advocate prolonging the death of any animal when it serves no purpose to do so.

There are a couple of examples I can think of where keeping an animal alive but restrained would be to your advantage.

One is live bait for fishing. A bait fish in "distess" will have a huge draw to live bait feeding, predatory fish.

The "attraction to a struggle" can be exploited once your catch is hooked too. Quite often fish are attracted to the one you have on the line and
and another line in the water will get you hooked up again very quickly.

Coyotes, jackals, dingos, fox, raccoon, bears etc.. may come at a run responding to the screaming sounds of a smaller animal in distress. Not saying you should keep a rabbit in your pocket and sqeeze it, just understand the cause and effect so you can exploit it if needed (make a call to mimic that sound).

Another is trapping in very hot weather. An animal restrained in a trap will be fresh meat, one that was caught in a kill trap an hour after you set it yesterday may not be fit to eat by the time you check it today. So IF you have a choice on a restraining set or a kill set, what do you choose? Do you want the animal to be caught and killed as quickly as possible and risk waisting the meat or do you want fresh meat?

Also when animals are traveling together, one animal caught and restrained in one trap will often cause the other to stay in the area and circle around the trapped animal. You can use this to your advantage and place a trap or snare to catch this second animal. One of the reasons multiple sets in good locations work well is that there may already be one animal in one of the traps.

I seem to recall reading about tribes that break the legs of small animals/lizards etc.. and throw them in a corner of the hut to eat later. A primitive but effective way of preserving food that does not sit well with western thoughts on animal welfare. Not pretty but survival none the less, and another example of prolonging death for a reason.

Sorry once again for the topic deviation but perhaps someone who does not already know will find this information useful.
 
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Thats all well and fine grafton.....
But it is deviating the original topic...but you knew that when you posted.
Most posters have no trouble discussing the topic maturely, others just want to argue.
Perhaps the topic should be closed, perhaps the people who cannot discuss the topic properly should be infracted.
How many times must one ask nicely?

Again. Please discuss THE TOPIC.
 
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