Survival v. Bushcraft - What is the difference?

I don't know about you all, but I have never survived anything other than being a little twisted up in the woods in my life and I have spent a fair amount of time in the woods. It is pretty much a fantasy and the bushcraft things are mostly for fun. I don't want to feed the fantasy like it really is something likely to happen in the woods. A survival situation is much more likely to happen while driving.
 
Something just occurred to me about the "difference" between bushcrafing and survival for most of the people who do either. If you are doing the bushcraft thing, it is a hobby as most of us have already agreed. You chose to go out in the woods and do manly, primitive things. Now it gets a little funny when we start talking about survival. Unless you are in the military or happen to have a job where you are required to spend lots of time in the middle of nowhere by yourself, what exactly are you trying to survive? If you say that you want to have skills in can something happens while you are in the woods, then it is still hobby related because it is highly likely that you wound up in the woods of your own volition. If you say you want to be prepared for when the Apocalypse comes, then you only need these skills if you happen to get run out of your fortified survival cabin that contained 18 years worth of Spam. beef jerky and .223 ammo. If you say that you want to be prepared the your plane crashes, then, assuming you survive, how do you plan to get your Mora, your camp saw and your 15 different fire starting thingies out of the kerosene soaked flaming mass of mangled, melted aluminum that used to be the hold where they put your checked luggage? The likelihood of either of these things happening is pretty darn slim. So couldn't it be said that, for the vast majority of civilians/amateuers, survival training is STILL a hobby, albeit sometimes with a whole different duffle bag full of neuroses attached to it? :D
 
I don't know about you all, but I have never survived anything other than being a little twisted up in the woods in my life and I have spent a fair amount of time in the woods. It is pretty much a fantasy and the bushcraft things are mostly for fun. I don't want to feed the fantasy like it really is something likely to happen in the woods. A survival situation is much more likely to happen while driving.

Pretty much how I see it. I have my winter car break down tub set up, with extra blankets, winter boots etc.
 
Survival training is largely about preventing a survival situation from arising, and attaining the neutral mindset with the bush which will allow for your survival if some unforeseen event does happen. This is primarily what Kochanski focuses on, the knowledge and skills required to prevent survival situations as it is prevention which keeps the immediacy of a survival threat at bay. Having endured a severe survival situation is quite irrelevant as in a true survival situation you will be on auto-pilot, your biology will take over - so indeed, it is the training that matters.

I do not think about breathing, I don't concern myself with the action largely due to never experiencing a shortness of breath or breathing difficulty. This lack does not make breathing any less relevant, I am always breathing. In a similar way, we are always surviving. Just because the threats to survival are largely invisible, or hidden, does not make survival any less relevant. In fact, it makes survival more of a concern, as we see in all of the apocalyptic films. One of the main themes in these stories is that the hordes of unprepared will drag us down with them because of their refusal to realise that we are always just surviving. They will not have water, food, defense capabilities, nor the skills to obtain and share these things. It is a terrifying thing for many people as it shows how far we've strayed from what really matters in life.

In my life I have to be concerned with survival. I go cutting wood alone, and in that situation only one thing has to go wrong to force a fight for survival. Similarly, the further you go into the woods, the more adverse the conditions are, and the more dangerous the activities you take part in, the more prepared you have to be.

A lot of the anti-survival comments seem to revolve around this idea that it is out of our control. 'Either you will survive or you won't, there's not much one can do about it.' This is largely a feeling of complacency when everything seems to be out of our control, and it is a survival instinct in its own right. It is the survival prep in a society which believes it is safe, and if it is not then the government will step in to help, or some scientist will develop a new piece of technology to keep the bogeyman away. You are still taking a survival prep when you put down survivalists, perhaps it is just as simple as the belief that everything will turn out ok because humans have become so civilised that danger, violence, and collapse have been prohibited. You survive because, well, 'everything always turns out awesome.'
 
Survival training is largely about preventing a survival situation from arising, and attaining the neutral mindset with the bush which will allow for your survival if some unforeseen event does happen. This is primarily what Kochanski focuses on, the knowledge and skills required to prevent survival situations as it is prevention which keeps the immediacy of a survival threat at bay. Having endured a severe survival situation is quite irrelevant as in a true survival situation you will be on auto-pilot, your biology will take over - so indeed, it is the training that matters.

I do not think about breathing, I don't concern myself with the action largely due to never experiencing a shortness of breath or breathing difficulty. This lack does not make breathing any less relevant, I am always breathing. In a similar way, we are always surviving. Just because the threats to survival are largely invisible, or hidden, does not make survival any less relevant. In fact, it makes survival more of a concern, as we see in all of the apocalyptic films. One of the main themes in these stories is that the hordes of unprepared will drag us down with them because of their refusal to realize that we are always just surviving. They will not have water, food, defense capabilities, nor the skills to obtain and share these things. It is a terrifying thing for many people as it shows how far we've strayed from what really matters in life.

In my life I have to be concerned with survival. I go cutting wood alone, and in that situation only one thing has to go wrong to force a fight for survival. Similarly, the further you go into the woods, the more adverse the conditions are, and the more dangerous the activities you take part in, the more prepared you have to be.

A lot of the anti-survival comments seem to revolve around this idea that it is out of our control. 'Either you will survive or you won't, there's not much one can do about it.' This is largely a feeling of complacency when everything seems to be out of our control, and it is a survival instinct in its own right. It is the survival prep in a society which believes it is safe, and if it is not then the government will step in to help, or some scientist will develop a new piece of technology to keep the bogeyman away. You are still taking a survival prep when you put down survivalists, perhaps it is just as simple as the belief that everything will turn out ok because humans have become so civilized that danger, violence, and collapse have been prohibited. You survive because, well, 'everything always turns out awesome.'

Good post. The survival knife thing is only one facet of surviving some sort of emergency that breaks down the normal supply channels whether you be in the woods, out hunting and break a leg as the guy in Montana did, driving the interstate/freeway and there's a huge traffic tie up.

I recall once driving in Arkansas after a winter storm. I was on the interstate.... what can happen? Flat tire? Mechanical breakdown? or something that you have no control over what so ever.... a major accident and the highway is blocked. You're trapped and probably have little idea when you will get moving again. How far if you have to leave your car is a highway or if you want to at all, and a place to keep warm or dry? That was an emergency in Arkansas. It was cold. 12" of snow. I had no control over the situation and I had whatever I had inside my vehicle to "survive" however long that was. It was a long ordeal, but it was over in about 8 hours. That is a long time on the highway sitting in your car and wondering if you have enough gasoline to run the engine periodically to stay warm. In hind sight it was just another string of experiences you have in life. But it could have become significant, maybe not for me... maybe for the guy who has a heart attack there.... So, it pays to be generally prepared if something semi-normal happens. In the woods, it pays to be a little prepared for at least an over nighter.

They will not have water, food, defense capabilities, nor the skills to obtain and share these things. It is a terrifying thing for many people as it shows how far we've strayed from what really matters in life.

It is quite terrifying to people not accustomed to planning ahead. Some people generally can't plan ahead much at all because they have no resources to allow it. I don't know what really matters in life other than living and surviving.
 
It comes down to this: If you know your bushcraft skills then you won't get into a survival situation; you will go into the woods and then return home safely from your trip. Survival is for when you mess up. At best, survival skills are make due skills, nothing trumphs bushcraft skills.

Also bushcraft as it is marketed today is sh*t. Your grandfather didn't do "bushcraft", he just enjoyed himself outdoors as an outdoorsman. Next people will start forums on Urbancraft and all the skills you need to live in the city.
 
Dear Sir,

Most survival situations involve errors.

They also involve volcanoes erupting, lightning-caused fires, heart attacks, stepping in a gopher hole, insect stings, rabid animal attacks - things not failing according to plan. So while avoiding unwise risks is a VERY big deal, sometime what "can't" go wrong still goes wrong.

We already have lots on online stuff about urban survival. :p
 
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Good post. The survival knife thing is only one facet of surviving some sort of emergency that breaks down the normal supply channels whether you be in the woods, out hunting and break a leg as the guy in Montana did, driving the interstate/freeway and there's a huge traffic tie up.

I recall once driving in Arkansas after a winter storm. I was on the interstate.... what can happen? Flat tire? Mechanical breakdown? or something that you have no control over what so ever.... a major accident and the highway is blocked. You're trapped and probably have little idea when you will get moving again. How far if you have to leave your car is a highway or if you want to at all, and a place to keep warm or dry? That was an emergency in Arkansas. It was cold. 12" of snow. I had no control over the situation and I had whatever I had inside my vehicle to "survive" however long that was. It was a long ordeal, but it was over in about 8 hours. That is a long time on the highway sitting in your car and wondering if you have enough gasoline to run the engine periodically to stay warm. In hind sight it was just another string of experiences you have in life. But it could have become significant, maybe not for me... maybe for the guy who has a heart attack there.... So, it pays to be generally prepared if something semi-normal happens. In the woods, it pays to be a little prepared for at least an over nighter.



It is quite terrifying to people not accustomed to planning ahead. Some people generally can't plan ahead much at all because they have no resources to allow it. I don't know what really matters in life other than living and surviving.

Mors Kochanski recommends a Coleman lantern for the car as it will keep it heated for a long time and you only need to vent oxygen. It will also heat up the engine/battery if need be. My father always took extra blankets and mitts, hats etc. in the truck in winter. All it takes is an ice storm to get people trapped on the highway.

There were roads washed out in a community nearby and all the people are working together to help clear the rubble and get supplies for anyone who needs them. That's all it has to be really, being prepared for the situations in your daily life which may go bad.
 
i like this description from snakedoctor: "survival is going into the woods and getting stuck away from home. bushcraft is going into the woods to be at home."
 
I see I have a lot of reading to catch up on! My main goal is communicating all the terminology more concisely in a few words to newbies who are constantly asking about the difference,mand explaining the overlaps.

(Joe, yes, I was in St. Pete a couple months ago at the same place.)
 
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