Survival with a SAK

Not to be Ants at the picnic, but i do just fine with a chopper (like my BK9, khukuri, SOD, S6 etc etc). They do everything a SAK blade can do and MORE. I can make the same shavings with a chopper that i can with a SAK blade, yet i can also chop much larger wood with it as well, or use it as a draw knife or as animal/human defense

just saying.........I ALWAYS have my Scrapper 6 on my belt, much like many have a SAK in their pockets.
 
The fact is that you're unlikely to have the big chopper on your belt in a true "survival situation". How many of us wear then while walking? The SAK on the otherhand is always in the pocket.

In fact I EDC both a SAK (Victorinox Cybertool) and a multitool (Leatherman Wave). In a survival situation I would like to have more - but I could do a lot with what I always have on me. Between my 2 EDCs I have a saw, file, scissors, blade, pliers, screwdrivers, and many more tools.

If the SHTF when I was at home I would grab at least a couple of fixed blades before bugging out. If I was away from home I would do my best with what I had on me - I'm sure that I would be better equiped than 90% of people.
 
Thanks for the comments.

I don't see myself leaving my EDC fixed at home, or the JK Hiker I normally have on my belt on most trips.

I just did this for fun. And to get back to the way it was when I was a little woodsbum.

The SAK will work, although I could have knocked out the shelter in half the time with my Wetterlings and 840 Clipper that live in my daybag.

If I do only have a SAK on me I would have to be even more aware of my condition. I would have to know to call it quits, set up camp, and stay put sooner. I would have to resist the urge to see what is just beyond the bend that is up ahead.
 
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Thanks for the comments.

I don't see myself leaving my EDC fixed at home, or the JK Hiker I normally have on my belt on most trips.

I just did this for fun. And to get back to the way it was when I was a little woodsbum.
I have also been thinking lately that when I was kid, I seemed to make it on a lot less as far as knives go. Heck, I know I did, I only had one knife, an old Buck folder, It did everything I needed it to do then, why not now. Maybe I'll try an overnighter with just that old Buck:D
 
True, the SAK hasn't the strength of a fixed blade, but if it were abused to the point of damaging a blade - you've got more!

My Vic Huntsman was my first "real" knife when I was 12 years old, and it was my edc and basically my only user knife until I was nearly 30. I used it hard and often abused it, and it is still perfectly functional - although I bit beat up looking.
 
I allways enjoy threads like this. It seems like in a political discussion you have entrenched sides that cannot reach a concensus or completely miss the point. You experience much the same thing in a discussion such as this. In a survival situation I would love to have a pocketknife, a fixed blade, a chainsaw, a cooler full of drinks and coldcuts but that is not what I call a survival situation but rather a nice camping trip. I carried a Vic Hiker as my sole edc for almost 20 years. It was a birthday present from my dad. When I had it with me I felt prepared for anything. The idea I would like to convey is that for it's size and weight you can get a lot out of a little SAK. I could tread a lot more water, climb a lot easier and walk a lot more miles (must consider possible injury) toting a small SAK versus a large chopper. I could feasibly carry my hiker in any environ I find myself day to day. I cannot wear my large bowie knife to the office(I wish I could). I really could not even wear a leatherman on my belt to the office without raising some issues. Surviving is being able to make do with what you got. If you need protection get youself a powerful handgun. In the wilds(sans firearms) a good stick or a couple of heavy stones would provide better protection, really. If all you have is a knife to defend yourself well so be it. I spent many a Saturday afternoon watching Tarzan dispatch Rhino's and crocodiles with his knife in the black and white TV shows I used to watch as a child but I digress. It is really easy to lose the survival in discussions about survival situations.
 
If one cannot survive with a good SAK then I wouldn't give them much chance no matter what they had.

My take is many posters here missed the purpose of the original post by Todd A.

He wanted to see if he could survive with a SAK and his day bag. Looks like he did. Then....what if you are cold? What is this what if you win the lottery......I guess I'm being a little cynical here.:(

Does everyone think that the perfect scenario will exist that you'll have you 5-6 knives, axe, saw and other things with you when a crisis scenario hits?

Stuff happens when you least expect it. Having a SAK in your pocket may make the difference. Does he want to have a Busse or something with him? Yes but practicing with a miminal amount of equipment in a controlled environment helps understand what can be accomplished and what the limitations are of your personal kit.

I'm guilty as the next guy wanting the best tools and gadgets, but what if I only had my SAK trekker with me? Having a knife is better than none.

Sorry for the ramblings. Just thought we were going down the rabbit hole on this and missed the purpose of the original post. BTW WELL DONE TODD!:D
 
When I was in the military I usually had a large fixed blade (Gerber BMF, Gerber MKII, Tom Mayo combat knife, etc. depending on the job at the time), a multi-tool (LM Survival Tool, Super200 or Wave, SOG Paratool, or first year Gerber Flik-like multi-tool which quickly broke), and a pocket knife clipped into both front pockets (Spyderco Military, Spyderco Police, Gerber Gator, Gerber EZ Out ATS-34, Benchmade AFCK, etc.) and then I had a SAK in my pack (Ranger or Champ).

When I was mountain guiding full time (for 12 years) weight became everything and I greatly paired down the knives I carried. I would be gone for 6-9 months of the year in the back country and my pack rarely weighed less than 60 lbs. (all those shiney pieces of aluminum and pretty pieces of nylon used for climbing add up, especially when you're the one leading). On my harness I used to carry a Spyderco Clipper or Remote Release, then later replaced it with a smaller, lighter and easier to see lime green Spyderco Jester full serrated knife (emergency knife for cutting rope or slings, clipped to the back of my harness where it could be reached with either hand). In my pocket was a Spyderco Military Model and in my pack was a SAK German Army Knife (GAK). The Jester was only for emergency use, the Military was mainly for self-defense (plus I don't feel comfortable without a knife clipped into my pocket) and the GAK was for everything else. At base camp I had a Kershaw Blade Trader with a large variety of blades (paring, chef, fillet, wood saw, bone saw, etc.) for food prep for clients. I used the SAK for everything and in emergency situations, which there were many, was used for shelter making, wood prep and fire making, etc. I was confident I could do everything with that knife and did, although a good fixed blade, a saw, an axe, etc. often would have been a much much better alternative.

But here's the thing: as a mountain guide I was often way above tree line, so wood wasn't alway available, meaning I didn't always have the opportunity to build a fire and shelters were often snow shelters or made of stacking stones and sitting on my ropes for insulation (even at 40 degrees below zero fahrenheit), so a heavy dut fixed blade wasn't "as necessary". I wasn't a hunting guide so I wasn't processing game (sure you can do it with a SAK, but it's messy, hard to clean properly and more difficult to do than with a fixed blade, saw, hatchet, etc.).

Situation, terrain, climate, weather, etc. dictate what you bring. Was anything other than a SAK necessary? No, but it would have been nice a lot of times to have had more. At -40 degrees dexterity is difficult. When hypothermic (which I have been multiple times, at least once a degree or 2 off from death according to the docs), manual dexterity is nearly impossible. This is why I chose a SAK with a one hand opening blade, as it makes it easier to open. I will argue that a GAK is nearly as easy to open as a fixed blade, and if you can't open the GAK then you're probably so far gone that you won't be able to grip a FB also or so far gone mentally that you won't be doing anything right, so maybe a knife is not the best thing for you to have in your hands. To defend fixed blades though, if I had known about Moras back then I probably would have brought one, as they are so light and I love my 510 for weight and space savings.

Now when I'm out and about I wouldn't be without a good sturdy fixed blade. I also prefer to have an axe / hatchet / saw with me, as it makes life easier. I also have 2 or 3 folders with me, whether they are a pocket knife, multi-tool or SAK. I could do with less, but I don't have to now, so I don't. When I teach a survival class I always have a fixed blade, usually a Mora now to show the students that it's more about HOW you use the tools than the tools themselves. For some reason the uninitiated tend to fixate on that super expensive custom knife on my hip and seem to believe that it's the magic talisman that will bring them back alive. I want them to have confidence in whatever tool they have with them, including that $10 Mora, that is more than up to the task.

Plus, this is Bladeforums...we like to play with sharp and pointy things, and that's part of our joy of being outdoors.
 
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When I was in the military I usually had a large fixed blade (Gerber BMF, Gerber MKII, Tom Mayo combat knife, etc. depending on the job at the time), a multi-tool (LM Survival Tool, Super200 or Wave, SOG Paratool, or first year Gerber Flik-like multi-tool which quickly broke), and a pocket knife clipped into both front pockets (Spyderco Military, Spyderco Police, Gerber Gator, Gerber EZ Out ATS-34, Benchmade AFCK, etc.) and then I had a SAK in my pack (Ranger or Champ).

When I was mountain guiding full time (for 12 years) weight became everything and I greatly paired down the knives I carried. I would be gone for 6-9 months of the year in the back country and my pack rarely weighed less than 60 lbs. (all those shiney pieces of aluminum and pretty pieces of nylon used for climbing add up, especially when you're the one leading). On my harness I used to carry a Spyderco Clipper or Remote Release, then later replaced it with a smaller, lighter and easier to see lime green Spyderco Jester full serrated knife (emergency knife for cutting rope or slings, clipped to the back of my harness where it could be reached with either hand). In my pocket was a Spyderco Military Model and in my pack was a SAK German Army Knife (GAK). The Jester was only for emergency use, the Military was mainly for self-defense (plus I don't feel comfortable without a knife clipped into my pocket) and the GAK was for everything else. At base camp I had a Kershaw Blade Trader with a large variety of blades (paring, chef, fillet, wood saw, bone saw, etc.) for food prep for clients. I used the SAK for everything and in emergency situations, which there were many, was used for shelter making, wood prep and fire making, etc. I was confident I could do everything with that knife and did, although a good fixed blade, a saw, an axe, etc. often would have been a much much better alternative.

But here's the thing: as a mountain guide I was often way above tree line, so wood wasn't alway available, meaning I didn't always have the opportunity to build a fire and shelters were often snow shelters or made of stacking stones and sitting on my ropes for insulation (even at 40 degrees below zero fahrenheit), so a heavy dut fixed blade wasn't "as necessary". I wasn't a hunting guide so I wasn't processing game (sure you can do it with a SAK, but it's messy, hard to clean properly and more difficult to do than with a fixed blade, saw, hatchet, etc.).

Situation, terrain, climate, weather, etc. dictate what you bring. Was anything other than a SAK necessary? No, but it would have been nice a lot of times to have had more. At -40 degrees dexterity is difficult. When hypothermic (which I have been multiple times, at least once a degree or 2 off from death according to the docs), manual dexterity is nearly impossible. This is why I chose a SAK with a one hand opening blade, as it makes it easier to open. I will argue that a GAK is nearly as easy to open as a fixed blade, and if you can't open the GAK then you're probably so far gone that you won't be able to grip a FB also or so far gone mentally that you won't be doing anything right, so maybe a knife is not the best thing for you to have in your hands. To defend fixed blades though, if I had known about Moras back then I probably would have brought one, as they are so light and I love my 510 for weight and space savings.

Now when I'm out and about I wouldn't be without a good sturdy fixed blade. I also prefer to have an axe / hatchet / saw with me, as it makes life easier. I also have 2 or 3 folders with me, whether they are a pocket knife, multi-tool or SAK. I could do with less, but I don't have to now, so I don't. When I teach a survival class I always have a fixed blade, usually a Mora now to show the students that it's more about HOW you use the tools than the tools themselves. For some reason the uninitiated tend to fixate on that super expensive custom knife on my hip and seem to believe that it's the magic talisman that will bring them back alive. I want them to have confidence in whatever tool they have with them, including that $10 Mora, that is more than up to the task.

Plus, this is Bladeforums...we like to play with sharp and pointy things, and that's part of our joy of being outdoors.
.....excellent post. Thank you ! I like the "been there, done that" perspective.

- regards
 
Thanks, Gramps. Hopefully it made sense and hopefully it gives a fresh perspective.
 
I forgot to add that the SAK I carry now is either the Vic Farmer or the Vic OHT, both of which I learned about from you guys, so Thank You!

I want to like the OHT more, but the handle especially bothers me. I'll get around to texturing it with a soldering iron, but right now I find it way too slick. I wish the awl opened out the end like on the Farmer so it can be more easily used as a striker. I also find the lock on the blade odd, as it's on the opposite side of most. I also kind a wished that they had put a lock on the saw, as it wouldn't be hard with the way it's set up (I know that it's not really necessary, but when I was a young boy I closed the saw on my Vic Ranger on my hand multiple times...guess I wasn't the brightest bulb in the closet!)

I really like the Farmer. Small flat and compact. Great saw and an awl that works beautifully for a striker.

I need to get a custom one made by Scibeer or someone else who does customs. I want a one hand opening and locking main blade (I would love one in 154CM), a saw, a metal file, a can opener and an awl that opens out the end like the Farmer. All that and fluroescent handles then it would be my Ultimate Surburban Survival Knife] or USSuK((a.k.a. "You Suck", name patent pending).
 
I'm thinking I can start a fire, build a trap and build a shelter with NO knife.

Of course it would suck and I would wish i had at least a SAK to help.

And after doing it with no knife, then a SAK, I am going to state I would rather do it with a big honkin fixed blade. Ultimately I am going to prefer power tools.

You did a fine job of performing some survival tasks with a SAK, now go get the right tool for the job, a big fixed blade. LOL
 
Great stuff buddy, love the pics !

I'd still rather have a sturdy fixed blade but that's just me !
 
Good thread and good job. If you gotta use what you've got on ya you sure could be a lot worse off than having a SAK in your pocket, I carry the Forester everyday and it's kind for the last 48 years or so.
 
the sak has had over 100 years to get down the basic necessities of what an outdoorsman needs to have with him boiled down into a small light weight package. i carry a OHT everywhere i can it is my daily carry attached is a military match for fire starting, so this is as small a survival kit as i can carry.

it has come it exceedingly useful in everyday life, and will get the job done in an emergency. yes if was to have a serious mishap or an unfortunate event i would want more equipment than this, but this is what i carry all the time. if i am going deep into the woods or hunting in the mountains of Wyoming or Alaska i carry more, a hunters axe, fixed blade and a saw are in my pack as well as poncho or tarp or some garbage bags and more firestarting kit and food. but i do not carry these items every day.

given that 100 years of experimentation by some very outdoorsy folks have gone into development of this knife, it seems up to the task.

alex
 
The best knife in a survival scenario is the one you have with you. Survival depends on what is in your head and your heart. What is in your pocket (or hanging on your belt) is merely one of many tools you might use in the course of events.
 
The best knife in a survival scenario is the one you have with you. Survival depends on what is in your head and your heart. What is in your pocket (or hanging on your belt) is merely one of many tools you might use in the course of events.
....well said ! ;)

- regards
 
Comfy enough.though not too roomy...

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Well done, sir! The biggest mistake most people make when constructing an emergency shelter is making it too large. A small shelter takes less time and energy to build, and will stay warmer in bad weather.
 
Well done, sir! The biggest mistake most people make when constructing an emergency shelter is making it too large. A small shelter takes less time and energy to build, and will stay warmer in bad weather.


Funny you said that. My son ,in photo, said it was a little small. So I had to explain that since it still hits the freezing (or below) mark at night a small shelter is easier to keep warm.
 
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