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Survivor TV Show
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SkunkWerX said:
So your survival scenario would be limited to man vs. the environment, which is cool.
I agree that it would eliminate most if not all of the interpersonal drama.
On the other hand, if we did this "all out" where it's survival against both the environment and the other contestants, then I think the interpersonal elements would actually be intensified, but they'd be a lot less "fakey!" Weaker people will do whatever they have to do to either avoid, pacify, or align themselves with anyone who is both stronger and predatory.
Granted the latter could never be done as a "game," but it certainly makes one think about more aspects of genuine survival than just building shelter and fire. Especially in the long term, dealing with other humans is going to be one of if not them most significant problems.
I suppose that plays into the ol' "bug out" plans that so many have, but how many will succeed in getting to a totally isolated area and continue to survive independent of any interaction indefinitely?
Hah! My version of the show would never end!!
Rhino, I see your point. i guess what I want to see eliminated is the Survivor Game's Producers "inteference" .
In a real life survival scenario, the producer's of a show don't gather everyone on the beach for a race to see how many coconut shells they can stack into a pyramid in 20 minutes. That's the stuff that is bogus.
In your scenario, I agree, the weaker ones would have to "beg" for help, then human nature would kick in, and the stronger ones would become sympathetic and help, and be dragged down too. The winner would be the one who said "Screw you, weak person" and pushed on.
TV would never go for that, it would show that true survivor's have little compassion.
But, as I stated a while back, there could be several versions, Individual Scenarios, as well as "Teams".
Take [2] 7 person teams, stage them at [2] similar plane crash sites. They have to journey to civilization. Make it at least a 2 or 3 day walk out to be rescued.
Someone would get pissed off at someone else for being slow, not doing their fair share of the work, etc. We wouldn't need the Producers of the show manipulating the natural outcome.
I'd watch it.
In a real life survival scenario, the producer's of a show don't gather everyone on the beach for a race to see how many coconut shells they can stack into a pyramid in 20 minutes. That's the stuff that is bogus.
In your scenario, I agree, the weaker ones would have to "beg" for help, then human nature would kick in, and the stronger ones would become sympathetic and help, and be dragged down too. The winner would be the one who said "Screw you, weak person" and pushed on.
TV would never go for that, it would show that true survivor's have little compassion.
But, as I stated a while back, there could be several versions, Individual Scenarios, as well as "Teams".
Take [2] 7 person teams, stage them at [2] similar plane crash sites. They have to journey to civilization. Make it at least a 2 or 3 day walk out to be rescued.
Someone would get pissed off at someone else for being slow, not doing their fair share of the work, etc. We wouldn't need the Producers of the show manipulating the natural outcome.
I'd watch it.
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I don't watch this show as any kind of "real" survival show and I don't think the producers intend it to be such. I watch it purely for entertainment value, as I said before it is just MTV's The Real world in the middle of no where.
runningboar said:
Before he had Survivor, Mark Burnett produced a show for several years for the Discovery channel. It was a multi day adventure race that they did at different spots all around the world. It was an excellant show but it dissappeared after he left to do Survivor and a few fairly lame attempts by TDC to do it themselves.
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Wasn't that show Eco Race or something like that, it was a good show too bad it is gone.
In the Army we have what is called a leaderhip reaction course where you are faced with obstacles and scenarios. You have to figure out how to get you and your team around the obstacle with items that are provided meeting the terms of the scenario, clear as mud right. Some type of TV show based on that would be good, combining problem solving, endurance, and ability think on your feet would be fun.
In the Army we have what is called a leaderhip reaction course where you are faced with obstacles and scenarios. You have to figure out how to get you and your team around the obstacle with items that are provided meeting the terms of the scenario, clear as mud right. Some type of TV show based on that would be good, combining problem solving, endurance, and ability think on your feet would be fun.
Yeah, Eco Race, or was it Eco Challenge? That was good as far as endurance, swimming, hiking, claimbing, running up mountains, man they were in great shape. Each team had a woman and like 3 men? right?
Good show.
Any show based on the military courses would be good.
Throw some people into the Rockies for the Winter Survival Course, that one will kick anyone's butt!
Oh speaking of which, how bout that show a few years back, where they had 4 teams, all ex-military and swat guys, The teams were named alpha, bravo, charlie and delta. They entered the compound stayed in the bunk houses, remember that one?
They were given Missions to complete and were scored, now THAT was a good show. They used miles gear to simulate real combat hits.
Good show.
Any show based on the military courses would be good.
Throw some people into the Rockies for the Winter Survival Course, that one will kick anyone's butt!
Oh speaking of which, how bout that show a few years back, where they had 4 teams, all ex-military and swat guys, The teams were named alpha, bravo, charlie and delta. They entered the compound stayed in the bunk houses, remember that one?
They were given Missions to complete and were scored, now THAT was a good show. They used miles gear to simulate real combat hits.
We're big fans of Survivor as well! Watched from the first season. (Eco-Challenge as well!)
Just to put a different dynamic on this, I would think it would be more difficult to do that challenge given that you could just quit anytime. That option would constantly play in your mind when you're cold, hungry and wet. If you're truly lost, it wouldn't cross your mind. (You'd have a different set of concerns)
The same would apply to SERE training. (Not that I've done it, I'm presuming here) But the fact that you can quit anytime would require a level of personal discipline that is unattainable to most!
Back to Survivor, I saw a story that the new series will be controversial in that the tribes will be divided along ethnic lines. Should be interesting!
T. Erdelyi said:
Just to put a different dynamic on this, I would think it would be more difficult to do that challenge given that you could just quit anytime. That option would constantly play in your mind when you're cold, hungry and wet. If you're truly lost, it wouldn't cross your mind. (You'd have a different set of concerns)
The same would apply to SERE training. (Not that I've done it, I'm presuming here) But the fact that you can quit anytime would require a level of personal discipline that is unattainable to most!
Back to Survivor, I saw a story that the new series will be controversial in that the tribes will be divided along ethnic lines. Should be interesting!
I'm not knocking the Survivor Show or those who like it, it has entertainment value, look at the audience, everyone talks about it.
In terms of being able to simply quit, I'll bet a big enough $$$ prize would serve to keep them going as long as they had any hope at all.
Let's face it, when you lose hope in the real world, you curl up and die of hypothermia. When you lose hope on a survival show, at least you know you are giving up on tons of $$$.
That's probably as close to to 'real world" as you can simulate.
I'm thinking it would be for the best of the best, not these people they "cast" in the current survival show. I'm thinking more like SAS survival isntructors, Les Stroud, accomplished mountain climbers, professional guides, those types of people.
Perhaps they could have Novice, Amatuer and Professional brackets.
And suite the climate, equipment, and terrain to each level of skill.
It's certainly a marketable concept.
And just think of the sponsors!!! PUR, NorthFace, MSR, Leatherman, REI, Columbia Sportswear, etc. etc. etc....they would all like to offer up some advertizing bucks to reach the kind of audience a show like this would attract.
Where there is money, there is a well funded TV show.
In terms of being able to simply quit, I'll bet a big enough $$$ prize would serve to keep them going as long as they had any hope at all.
Let's face it, when you lose hope in the real world, you curl up and die of hypothermia. When you lose hope on a survival show, at least you know you are giving up on tons of $$$.
That's probably as close to to 'real world" as you can simulate.
I'm thinking it would be for the best of the best, not these people they "cast" in the current survival show. I'm thinking more like SAS survival isntructors, Les Stroud, accomplished mountain climbers, professional guides, those types of people.
Perhaps they could have Novice, Amatuer and Professional brackets.
And suite the climate, equipment, and terrain to each level of skill.
It's certainly a marketable concept.
And just think of the sponsors!!! PUR, NorthFace, MSR, Leatherman, REI, Columbia Sportswear, etc. etc. etc....they would all like to offer up some advertizing bucks to reach the kind of audience a show like this would attract.
Where there is money, there is a well funded TV show.
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I don't think the ratings would be the same. I think the show would also be a lot shorter given how clueless some of them are about shelter and fire.
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