Swift II - Broken lockbar spring

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I didn't expect this TBH...

The spring that gives the lockbar tension just broke on me. I have been playing with one of my Swift II(i got 2 cause i love it) for 2 weeks, mostly just opening and closing it. When I was opening it today like normal, no wrist flick, i heard a loud secondary snap right after the blade flew out and the lockbar was rotated outward, then a piece of steel came out of the handle...

The thread below shows the inside of Swift 2, and you can see that the spring holding the lockbar is not from the backspacer like how a usual triad lock work.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1327103-Swift-2-assisted-opening-mechanism

Refer to the pic from the link above, the lockbar spring on mine broke at exactly the point where it widens near the screw at the butt end of the handle. A couple of observation:
1. I've take my other Swift 2 apart and found that the entire piece of spring/liner is chrome plated. I wonder what steel it is. Also, looking at the fracture point, it's coarse/powdery, most likely due to stress fatigue.
2. The spring gets flexed everytime you open and close the knife, however unlike normal backlock spring where the thinner part of the cross section is bending, Swift II lock spring is bending at the thicker part. I.e. bending a ruler normally vs bending it sideway...

The liner/spring combo is a smart design, very similar to Benchmade's Nitrous Stryker, as it's near impossible to break the assisted spring under normal uses. However IMO the lock spring needs to be improved to stand up to the repeated opening/closing cycles. Maybe mine is just a one off case so i can't make any conclusion here, but it's worth looking into.

BTW, i'm not trying to hurt CS reputation here, just wanna see if anyone has seen similar issue and hopefully help improve the design of future assisted CS folders.


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*UPDATE* - 03/05/16

It's a bummer, i've been carrying the Swift II CS sent me as a replacement for the broken one for the past 2 days, and the lockbar spring broke again today. Just like last time, lockbar spring snapped at the exact same place as the previous one. This happens when i was closing the knife. A snap, then lockbar lost resistance, then the spring fell out when you opened it again.

Also, it's not that it took 2-3 months of usage for it to break, i haven't been having swift in edc my rotation for a while and has only started carrying it again this month. So it's only been probably 2-3 weeks of normal pocket use time and less than couple of hundred of opening/closing since i got it.

At this point i'm pretty convinced that this is a design issue, not a lemon. The problem is, i don't know how to proceed next. I can spend money(again) and ship this back to CS again, but i don't want to get the same thing knowing that it could break on me again and it's a waste time and money to repeat this process if it happens next time.

Any advise CS rep? Does the 2016 redesigned Swift series solve the weak lockbar spring issue?
 
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Oh snap (literally)! :( I hope this is an isolated incident. No issues with mine so far, but I've only opened and closed it maybe 4-5 dozen times.
 
I just got a Swift and I love the handle and blade, but I'd just as soon have it unassisted with a conventional lock spring. Call it the "Slow" for all I care.
 
I just got a Swift and I love the handle and blade, but I'd just as soon have it unassisted with a conventional lock spring. Call it the "Slow" for all I care.

De-assisting the knife was the first thing i thought about that's why i opened up my other one, but you can't since the spring is a whole piece of liner. You literally have to saw off the main spring to de-assist it, but you still got another spring on the liner for the lockbar, which was the one that broke for me.
 
The spring that gives the lockbar tension just broke on me.

Hi, you need to send that in to our team for evaluation.
I have never seen that happen even under our tough QC testing, so something isn't right.
Please ship it to:
Customer Services
Cold Steel
6060 Nicolle Street
Ventura
CA 93003

with a detailed note explaining what happened.
Be sure to also include full contact details and a return shipping address
Our team will check this out
Thanks!
 
Hi, you need to send that in to our team for evaluation.
I have never seen that happen even under our tough QC testing, so something isn't right.
Please ship it to:
Customer Services
Cold Steel
6060 Nicolle Street
Ventura
CA 93003

with a detailed note explaining what happened.
Be sure to also include full contact details and a return shipping address
Our team will check this out
Thanks!

Will do, I'll call the cs to get the process going. Hopefully this is just a one off issue, would be interested to know what caused it.
 
Just read about another lockbar spring snapping over on the CS forums. Post #5.

http://coldsteelforums.com/fb.ashx?m=219849

Hmm Stiletto is prob one of the first batch of people to get the Swift II like me, and we got it from the same place(he also had the first Swift II video review on youtube..). Someone should tell him to send to CS instead of returning it. That way at least CS gets more sample size to study on. I'm gonna send CS mine soon.
 
I could be wrong, but I have a feeling this isn't going to be an isolated issue... I'm guessing there is a heat treat issue, so maybe it is just an issue with
a particular run of springs
 
I could be wrong, but I have a feeling this isn't going to be an isolated issue... I'm guessing there is a heat treat issue, so maybe it is just an issue with
a particular run of springs

I believe you are correct. With two of these incidents happening so close together, it looks like something may be amiss with the springs in this first batch. I hope it is just a heat treat issue that can be easily remedied. I'm sure CS will take care of those who have this issue crop up, so I'm not worried about that, but it'll be a bummer for CS if they have to redesign the whole spring or something (although they did okay addressing the issue with the ram lock in the first edition Pocket Bushman). There is always a certain amount of risk involved in being an early adopter, so I'm just going to keep using mine and hope for the best at this point. :thumbup:
 
I am not pleased to see this happen.

I will still be using and carrying mine.

I will just limit it to once a week or once a month until more information about what went wrong is certain.
 
^ Or u can go about your business, using it as it was meant to be used, and utilize CS's fantastic CS if and when it fails. No sense in not getting your money's worth while its still functional.

As for me I'll stick with their proven manual models.
 
Trying again..

I finally got time to send my knife in on oct 9th, got a shipment notification from CS on oct 16th and my replacement arrived oct 17th. 8 days from the day i sent the knife off to the day i got my replacement, amazing! Great job CS's CS!

However I still do not know why my Swift II broke and whether this is just a one off. For now, im happy to have another Swift II to play with again. Dear CS, if you can, please feel free to chime in once you have inspected the broken spring.

Again, kudo to CS for the great customer service!
 
Trying again..

I finally got time to send my knife in on oct 9th, got a shipment notification from CS on oct 16th and my replacement arrived oct 17th. 8 days from the day i sent the knife off to the day i got my replacement, amazing! Great job CS's CS!

However I still do not know why my Swift II broke and whether this is just a one off. For now, im happy to have another Swift II to play with again. Dear CS, if you can, please feel free to chime in once you have inspected the broken spring.

Again, kudo to CS for the great customer service!

That's cool. Would be nice to know why it happened though.
 
*UPDATE* - 03/05/16

It's a bummer, i've been carrying the Swift II CS sent me as a replacement for the broken one for the past 2 days, and the lockbar spring broke again today. Just like last time, lockbar spring snapped at the exact same place as the previous one. This happens when i was closing the knife. A snap, then lockbar lost resistance, then the spring fell out when you opened it again.

Also, it's not that it took 2-3 months of usage for it to break, i haven't been having swift in edc my rotation for a while and has only started carrying it again this month. So it's only been probably 2-3 weeks of normal pocket use time and less than couple of hundred of opening/closing since i got it.

At this point i'm pretty convinced that this is a design issue, not a lemon. The problem is, i don't know how to proceed next. I can spend money(again) and ship this back to CS again, but i don't want to get the same thing knowing that it could break on me again and it's a waste time and money to repeat this process if it happens next time.

Any advise CS rep? Does the 2016 redesigned Swift series solve the weak lockbar spring issue?
 
send back , get new one ( again )...sell as NIB on ebay and buy a different knife.

Bummer, I had really hoped this knife would be awesome.... :(
 
Hi, you need to send that in to our team for evaluation.
I have never seen that happen even under our tough QC testing, so something isn't right.
Please ship it to:
Customer Services
Cold Steel
6060 Nicolle Street
Ventura
CA 93003

with a detailed note explaining what happened.
Be sure to also include full contact details and a return shipping address
Our team will check this out
Thanks!

I know I am super late to this dead thread, but I figured I would chime in.

I got my original CS Swift II about 8 months ago... had it for 3 days, realized something was wrong (with the pivot), customer service had me send it in... and they "cherry picked" a replacement (their words). Worked perfectly.

I have been carrying my Swift on and off for about the last 3-4 months... I really love the blade and handle and shape. The action is smooth, swift, and reliable.

Today, I went to open the knife and after the initial "click" of it open, I got a 2nd "CLICK" and the spring broke just as described in the original post above.

I sent an e-mail to their customer service... and... will await instructions.

I also hope CS Customer Service has good news about how this issue has been handled.
 
I know I am super late to this dead thread, but I figured I would chime in.

I got my original CS Swift II about 8 months ago... had it for 3 days, realized something was wrong (with the pivot), customer service had me send it in... and they "cherry picked" a replacement (their words). Worked perfectly.

I have been carrying my Swift on and off for about the last 3-4 months... I really love the blade and handle and shape. The action is smooth, swift, and reliable.

Today, I went to open the knife and after the initial "click" of it open, I got a 2nd "CLICK" and the spring broke just as described in the original post above.

I sent an e-mail to their customer service... and... will await instructions.

I also hope CS Customer Service has good news about how this issue has been handled.

Sorry to hear that lordroy, I had experience 2 more broken springs after creating this thread, they told me it was spring temper issue. Does your broken one has the newer secondary lock?

The spring on the new model with secondary lock has a different color so im assuming they fixed the temper on it. I haven't used my replacement enough to see if it'll break since i kinda lost confidence in it.

If you got the older model, you should call them(email may be hit or miss) and request for the newer model with secondary lock.
 
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