Swordbuy.com - battleready stainless steel swords?

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Thanks to Jörg Sprave (Slingshot Channel on YT) I discovered Swordbuy.com. They say that their swords are battleready and they proove that their blades have indeed a good amount of flex. Something I always thought is that stainless steels are bad for swords because too brittle, however every Sword they make is made out of 4034 stainless. What is your opinion on that? Check them out (also the tests they do and the specs of the blades) and let me know if these products are really serious or not. Thanks!
 
In their defense, I am not familiar at all with 4034 SS. But.....

Most tried, proven and trusted makers tend to make machetes, swords and "high-impact" blades out of 1095, 5160 or similar carbon steel.

The only SS I've seen used on swords are for decoration. So if "decoration" = "battleready", then you're good to go. ;)
 
4034SS, from all I can tell just reading, is a low end stainless , not known for great toughness .

IMO , not a good choice for any big chopper , machete , throwing knife or functional sword .

If you really believe the hype of "battle ready " , then buy two of these swords and get an expendable "friend" to swing full force , while you block with full force . Wear bomb disposal suits or other full armor , of course .

Please take a video . :p
 
If Forged in Fire has taught me two things it's that a good sword will chop a huge ice block in half and flex from 9:00 to 3:00 without taking a set.
 
I often wonder what the standard is for "battle ready". It seems to just be an industry marketing term. Anything is battle ready if you're brave/dumb enough I guess.
 
Only battle for a sword I can think of are Renaissance battles.
Which you need a good battle name.
 
I heard from someone that a lot of the rennisance sword performers are using titanium swords for the lightness and because they are less likely to throw chunks from bent edges. They don't use good eye protection with replica armor and clothing. I'm not sure how true it is but it seemed to make sense when I heard it.
 
Generically I would say that stainless steel isn't a great material for swords. The chromium making it stainless also can cause it to be brittle when used as a sword blade. This has to do with how a sword blade is used as much as anything else. A lot of flexibility is also required because a sword flexes a lot when hitting a target. This is typically overcome with good heat treatment leading to good grain structure or so I'm told (I would not pretend to be a metallurgist even on t.v.) That said stainless CAN be used for good sword Phil Hartsfield proved that he could heat treat it properly. Are these doing something like that? It's possible I guess but at those price points I wonder... They do have a couple of videos that show them flexing a sword (gives the the heebie jeebies that he's doing it without any protection (especially eye protection). The videos also show them using stock removal to make or at least finish the blades. There's nothing about heat treat or anything so again who knows? I will say if they are actually good quality they would be filling a hole in the market, there just aren't many makers of quality islamic swords.
 
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The Mastiff said:
I heard from someone that a lot of the rennisance sword performers are using titanium swords for the lightness and because they are less likely to throw chunks from bent edges. They don't use good eye protection with replica armor and clothing. I'm not sure how true it is but it seemed to make sense when I heard it.
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Not quite. They use titanium blunts specifically BECAUSE when the swords clash they throw dramatic sparks, as well as it being easier to perform flashy choreographed fights with a light weight long blade.

Medieval Times was sued when a flaming piece of titanium hit an onlooker in the eye, blinding it. I don't know if he won the case.

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As for stainless steel swords, I don't know how or which steel would be the one to use. All I can say is that when it comes to handling sword strikes, the material must be tough of course, and springy flexibility is good, a lot of which comes from how the sword is shaped. The often overlooked important thing to consider is shock loads - spikes of force. Although instantaneous in duration, this type of force can overwhelm materials that lack resilience and easily push them beyond a yielding point. Steel can be tough, even springy, and yet not have high resilience. A stainless steel sword would need to show high resilience. I'm not very well-read in cutlery steel, so I wouldn't be surprised if more than one worked.

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Triton said:
Generically I would say that stainless steel isn't a great material for swords. The chromium making it stainless also can cause it to be brittle when used as a sword blade. This has to do with how a sword blade is used as much as anything else. A lot of flexibility is also required because a sword flexes a lot when hitting a target. This is typically overcome with good heat treatment leading to good grain structure or so I'm told (I would not pretend to be a metallurgist even on t.v.) That said stainless CAN be used for good sword Phil Hartsfield proved that he could heat treat it properly. Are these doing something like that? It's possible I guess but at those price points I wonder... They do have a couple of videos that show them flexing a sword (gives the the heebie jeebies that he's doing it without any protection (especially eye protection). The videos also show them using stock removal to make or at least finish the blades. There's nothing about heat treat or anything so again who knows? I will say if they are actually good quality they would be filling a hole in the market, there just aren't many makers of quality islamic swords.
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from the site:
Features of the Steel that We used for our products

  • Stainless Steel with 4116 - 4034 Quality is processed in furnaces and it reaches up to 52 - 58 Rockwell (HRC) hardness. It is sharpened
  • After heat processes the steel has very high corrosion resistance and developed mechanic features.
  • The raw material of our swords, which we design with care and attention is stainless steel with European standarts.
  • It is important for us to provide high abrasion resistance, fatigue strength, sustainable homogeneous hardness in our swords after heat treatment process.
  • Gradual heating technique is applied in over 1000 degrees for 4034 quality sword & knife materials. Then it is held at constant temperature. In furnaces with high technology, the required hardness is got in 500-600 degrees for about 5-6 hours.
  • Sharpy material guarantee is given.
  • We produce our swords in our own factory in our town. We tested our products which have high durability and extreme sharpness

    I know nothing about what's required to properly heat treat a sword but maybe somebody here does. I will say they're pretty enough and there are a lot of styles you don't see every day.
 
knifeman93 said:
Thanks to Jörg Sprave (Slingshot Channel on YT) I discovered Swordbuy.com. They say that their swords are battleready and they proove that their blades have indeed a good amount of flex. Something I always thought is that stainless steels are bad for swords because too brittle, however every Sword they make is made out of 4034 stainless. What is your opinion on that? Check them out (also the tests they do and the specs of the blades) and let me know if these products are really serious or not. Thanks!
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Whatever the properties, swords are always at risk. They can and have failed in battle. Even the best can suffer from a poorly timed impact or metal fatigue. Always take adequate precautions: 1) use blunts for sparing, 2) always wear eye protection, 3) only use the sword away from spectators - assume a sword or blade fragment can launch itself at any time. There are risks that must be taken in battle, irrespective of the weapons system, which should be avoided when possible. Safe practices extend well beyond steel chemistry and heat treatments.

Don‘t be this guy. Learn to distinguish between real swords and wall decorations; and, if you do start swinging things around, make sure you have a safety plan in case someone gets hurt.


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I've done both fencing and martial arts with swords, but in a survival situation a sword in my opinion is too heavy and bulky. I'd rather have a sturdy, large fixed blade that can handle multiple chores, not something so one dimensional usage wise.

While fun in practice, sword or knife fighting would be a last ditch effort. 30 rounds of 5.56 from my Tavor would work better.
 
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