Swordbuy.com - battleready stainless steel swords?

From my limited knowledge of steels, I wouldn’t go crazy with stainless steel swords. There’s a real risk of the sword shattering in cutting activities and possibly hurting the user. I suppose they’re alright for wall hangers. For me, 4034 is just a no-no for this application.

I’d stick with carbon steel swords from reputable makers.
 
K.O.D. said:
I've done both fencing and martial arts with swords, but in a survival situation a sword in my opinion is too heavy and bulky. I'd rather have a sturdy, large fixed blade that can handle multiple chores, not something so one dimensional usage wise.

While fun in practice, sword or knife fighting would be a last ditch effort. 30 rounds of 5.56 from my Tavor would work better.
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Yeah. A good quality carbon kukri rules in the big knife world.
 
best part of that site..."suitable for war conditions"....

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shane45-1911 said:
Which battles are we fighting now-a-days with swords, anyway?
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Of course we aren't. However, those of us that are interested in swords want our swords to be able to perform at least as well as their ancient counterparts although "battle ready" is a marketing term not any sort of objective capability. That particular website seems to be focused on Islamic swords and is fairly short on detail so I can't comment in particular.
 
Hanne762 said:
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from the site:
Features of the Steel that We used for our products

  • Stainless Steel with 4116 - 4034 Quality is processed in furnaces and it reaches up to 52 - 58 Rockwell (HRC) hardness. It is sharpened
  • After heat processes the steel has very high corrosion resistance and developed mechanic features.
  • The raw material of our swords, which we design with care and attention is stainless steel with European standarts.
  • It is important for us to provide high abrasion resistance, fatigue strength, sustainable homogeneous hardness in our swords after heat treatment process.
  • Gradual heating technique is applied in over 1000 degrees for 4034 quality sword & knife materials. Then it is held at constant temperature. In furnaces with high technology, the required hardness is got in 500-600 degrees for about 5-6 hours.
  • Sharpy material guarantee is given.
  • We produce our swords in our own factory in our town. We tested our products which have high durability and extreme sharpness

    I know nothing about what's required to properly heat treat a sword but maybe somebody here does. I will say they're pretty enough and there are a lot of styles you don't see every day.
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Good find. They are saying some of the right things, I just wonder why they are working with stainless which is a suspect material when carbon steel would be far less suspect. I'd love to have someone reputable (and someone that knows something about swords) do a review of one of these.
 
K.O.D. said:
I've done both fencing and martial arts with swords, but in a survival situation a sword in my opinion is too heavy and bulky. I'd rather have a sturdy, large fixed blade that can handle multiple chores, not something so one dimensional usage wise.

While fun in practice, sword or knife fighting would be a last ditch effort. 30 rounds of 5.56 from my Tavor would work better.
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A sword is a highly specialized piece of equipment and different swords were developed at different times in response to the defensive armament of the day. As a battlefield weapon the sword is obviously obsolete and has been since around the 1860s the Patton saber to the contrary. It's not going to perform well in any particular survival situation since it wasn't made for that. It's also not going to be of much use on the modern battlefield, it wasn't made for that either. In a self defense situation, at least in the United States, there are also far better options. That's not why people (at least rationale people) buy swords.
 
Cobalt said:
I think at the Renaissance Fair is one place.
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A typical Ren Fest bash o rama has little to do with actual usage of swords in combat. It's probably a lot of fun and certainly there are serious practitioners of WMA that also take part but it's different.
 
Triton said:
The site is certainly a little gimmicky. On the other hand their English is better than my Turkish.
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I didnt take it as poorly done English. i took it as well done English, and a very serious point they wanted to make. their swords are ready for use in a war. I could be misinterpreting it though.🤷 I just thought it was funny and over the top is all
 
jbmonkey said:
I didnt take it as poorly done English. i took it as well done English, and a very serious point they wanted to make. their swords are ready for use in a war. I could be misinterpreting it though.🤷 I just thought it was funny and over the top is all
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Oh you were right about that no doubt! :)
 
Mecha said:
Not quite. They use titanium blunts specifically BECAUSE when the swords clash they throw dramatic sparks, as well as it being easier to perform flashy choreographed fights with a light weight long blade.

Medieval Times was sued when a flaming piece of titanium hit an onlooker in the eye, blinding it. I don't know if he won the case.

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As for stainless steel swords, I don't know how or which steel would be the one to use. All I can say is that when it comes to handling sword strikes, the material must be tough of course, and springy flexibility is good, a lot of which comes from how the sword is shaped. The often overlooked important thing to consider is shock loads - spikes of force. Although instantaneous in duration, this type of force can overwhelm materials that lack resilience and easily push them beyond a yielding point. Steel can be tough, even springy, and yet not have high resilience. A stainless steel sword would need to show high resilience. I'm not very well-read in cutlery steel, so I wouldn't be surprised if more than one worked.

www.engineeringchoice.com

Modulus Of Resilience: Definition And Units | Engineering Choice

The modulus of resilience is the amount of strain energy per unit volume (i.e., strain energy density) that a material can absorb without permanent
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Nothing more medieval in my book that some flaming Ti.
 
Triton said:
A sword is a highly specialized piece of equipment and different swords were developed at different times in response to the defensive armament of the day. As a battlefield weapon the sword is obviously obsolete and has been since around the 1860s the Patton saber to the contrary. It's not going to perform well in any particular survival situation since it wasn't made for that. It's also not going to be of much use on the modern battlefield, it wasn't made for that either. In a self defense situation, at least in the United States, there are also far better options. That's not why people (at least rationale people) buy swords.
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I've always loved swords and swordfighting and martial arts. But with my medical issues, I know I'll be long dead before society degrades to the point of needing a sword.

I have nerf and off brand foam training weapons I teach my nephews with on the weekends. Its great exercise.
 
This might be a good time to remind everyone that every battle has a loser.
 
Nice wall hangers, which is why stainless is better for what they are making. "battle ready"? Nyet. Look at their customer base that they have posted on their web site. All of them just want a nice sword for display purposes.
 
K.O.D. said:
I've always loved swords and swordfighting and martial arts. But with my medical issues, I know I'll be long dead before society degrades to the point of needing a sword.

I have nerf and off brand foam training weapons I teach my nephews with on the weekends. Its great exercise.
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Glad to hear you guys get to wack each other on a regular basis. :) I'm sorry to hear that you won't be around for the dystopian future. Or I'm not or...🤪
 
I am tempted to make a small sword / chopper / bowie knife from cpm-magnacut ;P .. but I still don't expect it to battle ready in the sense of larping or whatever...

1075 with a tough bainite ht is probably best for that kind of extreme use
actually 80crv2 is likely better overall, that bit of vanadium helps refine grain size etc...
read about bainite here: https://knifesteelnerds.com/2021/06...ents-of-52100-o1-and-1095-how-much-toughness/

good thing you could get one tough 80crv2 blade now - it's the skrama ;)
I would trust that to be more battlready than anything on the OP website

 
Triton said:
Glad to hear you guys get to wack each other on a regular basis. :) I'm sorry to hear that you won't be around for the dystopian future. Or I'm not or...🤪
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It is, though they are quite strong for 7 and 8. I actually have bruises...

The only "real" sword I'd consider would be the bubble sword of destiny.
 
knarfeng said:
Nice wall hangers, which is why stainless is better for what they are making. "battle ready"? Nyet. Look at their customer base that they have posted on their web site. All of them just want a nice sword for display purposes.
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I agree, none of those guys look remotely warlike. More like middle class IT professionals. From what I've seen of actual Islamic fighters they aren't using these. Even the ones running about beheading people are using mostly what appears to be machetes, locally made cheap kitchen knives or combat knives they sourced someplace. I may have seen a curved sword in a video or two that was being used by a professional executioner from Saudi Arabia.
 
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