symmetrical or asymmetrical

which would you prefer to have ?

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Originally posted by idahoskunk
everything becomes symmetrical with time... even the rocky mountains are becoming symmetrical... i like things to be even.. thats why i buy infi, to get even with chuck... the democrats are even becoming symmetrical..

speaking of even, i wonder when progunners fba is going to get here?

man o man! i bet my ad is so sharp cause it is even:) jerry should have put a warning on all the ad's shipped:eek:

Darn you Stinky, your aren't going to intercept this one, not again I tell you.

I dig the Symmetrical Convex edges, man you wanna talk about easy to sharpen and sharp as sin. Oh brother look out. My AD is the sharpest thing I have ever seen. That damned thing could cut you and you would bleed to death before you even felt a thing. That is incredibly sharp.
 
The above being said, I do have to say that the Assymetrical edge is not difficult to sharpen to a very sharp edge and I can see the durabilty it imparts over the fine Symmetrical Convex edges. On the other hand, while clearing vegetation on a rental property, I chopped a fence post on a chain link fence a few months back with my Battle Rat (Yeah I said Battle Rat on the Busse forum, so what!) The edge rolled or flattend a bit, it cut a very nice divot in the galvanized post though. After about an hour of slow work on a strop loaded with some aggresive abrasive compound, it is back to hair popping sharp. I just tried the sand paper on a mouse pad with an POS knife I had laying around and I can say that I will use that if I ever roll an edge like that again.

Bottom line, it is all good Jerry. You don't make anything that doesn't kick the crap out of anything else I have ever used, and I am not just sucking up to get at some of those new found shop treasures either. :D
 
I like a symetrical v edge.I have had trouble sharpening the convex grind on my AD.I even sent it back to Busse for a resharpen.Once I dulled i again its been tough to get back to hair popping sharp.I have used the mouse pad\1000 git paper.....no luck.Used my sharpmaker and got the edge back,but not near as sharp as the original convex edge.I just think that a convex is harder to sharpen.The asymetrical edge seeems to be a good edge for heavy duty work,such as chopping and as an all around use edge,but not for any kind of fine work,IMO.
 
Viking313,

Your AD was very close to its original sharpness when we received it back from you for sharpening. All we did was strop it in order to finish up what you had already started.

It is important to note that INFI retains all of its great performance characteristics at very fine dimensions. Meaning that when most other knives are brought to a "feather" on the edge, the feather will break off with very little effort. INFI, however, produces an angry, tough, and resilient feather that does not like to be pushed around. It will bend back and forth indefinitely when stropping. It is the stropping that makes it screaming, air-bleeding sharp!

We have made some pretty cool strops in our shop and are currently looking into producing them. They are phenomenal!

Hope this helps,

Jerry
 
Jerry,
great that you brought up the topic of strops. I think it would be very cool if you produced your own strops, after all you should know best what works for your knives.
I've been wondering what materials I need to make my own strop (trying to save some money for more INFI) for quite some time now.
So, will these strops you're talking about be "portable"? I'm looking for something that is small enough to carry in a pack(in case of a longer trip into the wilderness).
Also, after some time the assymetrical grind tends to move to one side since almost all the sharpening is done on the flat side. Is it necessary to then strop/sharpen the convex side until the edge is centered in the middle again?Thanks!
 
Jerry,
Asym just stays sharp longer.
Market the strops,I like the one I got from the shop.
Adjustable tension is cool.:D
 
Jerry....I wasnt really critisising....just making an observation.I guess stropping might be a lost skill for me...LOL...my AD is still very sharp,just doesnt feel to me to have that razor like edge that it had when I first recieved it.Might be that I'm trying to hard to get that back.I'm still more than happy with my knife.....I fondel it every chance I get:D I might be interested in one of those strops....
 
awwww come on guys, quit being nice to jerry, give him all the crap you can so he moves out west!

he'll be a fine young stropping man some day... working in the

"skunkworks strop shop"

and in jerry's words...

"STROP ON!"

how did papathud get a busse stropon and we can't?? not fair :grumpy:
 
Symmetric and thin! I've thinned the edge on most of my Busses to around 20 degrees included. Then I sharpen them with a fine diamond rod at about 90 degrees included They get a nice toothy edge that slices well and holds up to serious chopping (wood and bone).

Like Jerry said:
It is important to note that INFI retains all of its great performance characteristics at very fine dimensions.
 
Could someone who is a experienced Busse sharpening master please answer this question:
I had the usual assymetric grind on my Assault Shaker and sharpened it by using a Lansky sharpener on the flat side and a leather belt to strop the other side. Today I tried the mousepad-and-sandpaper-trick and sharpened my AS to a somewhat double convex grind. It has a nice polished edge by using the belt on the edge but it's not as sharp as before. Do I have to go to a smaller angle in double convex edges in order to get the same aggressive edge?
Also, what is more durable, assymetric or double convex?
Thanks!
 
Could someone who is a experienced Busse sharpening master please answer this question:
I had the usual assymetric grind on my Assault Shaker and sharpened it by using a Lansky sharpener on the flat side and a leather belt to strop the other side. Today I tried the mousepad-and-sandpaper-trick and sharpened my AS to a somewhat double convex grind. It has a nice polished edge by using the belt on the edge but it's not as sharp as before. Do I have to go to a smaller angle in double convex edges in order to get the same aggressive edge?
Also, what is more durable, assymetric or double convex?
Thanks!

I'm sure you will receive lots of answers, but here's my $.02:

I've seen a really sharp asymm. edge on two Busses; three, if you count a variant I sent in for resharpening. Those edges were pretty friggin' sharp. Everything else Busse that I've owned I've either sent in for reprofiling to convex, or have reprofiled myself (more on that below.) Since I've seen sharp asymm. edges, I know they work just fine. I did not, however, see any significant improvement over a standard V or convex grind when I "test-chopped" with a Steel Heart E - performance was about equal, although I didn't chop any wire, rocks, nails, or anything else that would have tested the "extreme performance" of the asymm edge in terms of damage resistance. (sidebar: the performance of the infi in terms of holding an edge was really good; the asymm edge did not seem to offer any real benefit over a more conventional grind.) Please note that this is not a scientific test, just my perception with one knife on a given day.

I prefer symmetrical (convex or V grind) to the asymm edge. The next guy in line will probably have an opposite preference, which is why Busse offers them both ways. However, I find a conventional V grind easier for ME to keep sharp than a convex edge; lack of skill, experience, or a testiment to the efficacy of the traditional V grind (your choice as to which applies.) I just have better luck bringing the V bevel back to life than I do a convex edge.

So, when I reprofile a Busse, I cut it to a V grind as follows:
* Choose an angle, dependent on blade useage
* Carefully recut the edge on a Lansky set with diamond stones, working from X-Coarse down to fine. Finish with an Extra-Fine soft stone, also on the Lansky, until I get sort of a jeweled appearance on the edge.
* Strop, Strop, Strop, Strop, Strop
* Strop some more. I use a loaded (CrO2) strop for this, backed by a board.
* Go forth and cut the living HELL out of whatever. So far I've never had to do anything but re-strop to bring the edge back out, and I'll match an edge I've sharpened this way against anything anyone else wants to bring to the table.

In the field I carry both a small ceramic rod and a small diamond rod. In the case of a blade that needs sharpening/resharpening/damage repair during field use, they've always been just fine. They do not bring that screaming, hair-popping edge with them, but face it - that razor-like quality on a freshly sharpened edge doesn't last very long no matter WHAT the steel is. You can strop just fine on a boot, a tree, piece of bark, or a really dirty set of pants. :-)

So that's how *I* sharpen my Busses. In my own opinion, it's a lot more about the steel than the edge - INFI is the Busse advantage.

Edited to add the following footnote: I once tried the Lansky kit on the flat side of an Asymm grind, and then stropping the convex edge as you described. For whatever reason, I wound up with a really sharp edge that would push-cut like a bandit, but didn't chop or slice for beans. I don't know if I screwed it up on the Lansky kit or if the edge was ground too thick, but either way I sent it back to Jerry and asked him to put a convex grind on it. End of problem.
 
Ok, thanks for the info.
Here's the deal. I converted my Euro Combat 4 to a symmetrical dual convex and after quite some stropping time on a smooth belt it is now as nice and sharp as before.
However, that same procedure doesn't really seem to work on the Assault Shaker. I went double convex on that also. I used a pretty small angle so that the edge would be thin enough. Even after hours of stropping it doesn't get as sharp as before. It now has a super smooth convex edge that can almost be used as a mirror, but it doesn't push cut well (no shaving). Am I missing something?
Thanks,
Jan
 
I'd try thinning the edge out some (more), and see what that does. Maybe you could do it on the lansky first, and then try reshaping it to convex. Or you could do what I've done a couple of times and send it back to Busse so they can thin it out for you.
 
I'm a Libra so I like balance and symmetry even when it doesn't work as good as asymmetry. :) All of my current Busse's sport asymetrical edges, and I have learned to sharped them well enough. However, given a choice I would prefer symmetrical edges like the ones I have on my Swamp Rat and Marbles knives (the old 52100 steel versions). I just ordered an Active Duty so I am looking forward to trying out the zero edge in INFI.
 
Geez, looking at this poll is starting to wear on me. I wonder what kind of edge the new line will have?

hmmmm. . . . things to ponder when drinking. . . ;)
 
i hope its an edge that a drunk skunk could sharpen! jerry you have an angle for everything but this assymetrical thing is just to damned trapizoid!
ok so if you're bored make me a hatchet! doublecut and smooth tan micarta!:cool: :cool:
 
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