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Eric_425

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I decided to take the plunge. What's the best value in terms of accuracy, for rifles? It's mostly going to be for fun, but if it's something with enough power, I'll consider hunting sometime too. That's second to sheer tack driving accuracy though. I want rifle capable of shooting sub-moa groups. Right now, I'm thinking of an accurized 10/22. Anything else on the market worth considering?
 
O:K: This is where you separate the men from the boys ! I,ve got a remington nylon 66 that outshot any of those ruger 10-22s that I tried .
We are talking tack driving accuracy . I haven,t shot it in over a year but I,d put it up against anything out there . Couese I might not be as accurate as I used to be . Thats got nothing to do with the rifle !
 
If 22LR's are your goal, you can't beat Kimbers. I have a 10/22 with all the bells and whistles, Clark trigger job and heavy barrel, but on a good day the kimber will do .40" at 50 yards, while the 10/22 with the Clark barrel runs .5" to .7" all day long with Eley match ammo. The Kimber prefers Winchester standard velocity stuff with the ammo sorted for rim thickness using a dial caliper and a rim thickness guage from Sinclair. Of course you don't need to sort the Eley match ( It has tighter tolerances already). These two are the only 22's I shoot anymore, so I sold half a dozen more. Another Kimber I have is in .223 caliber; it shoots 1.25" groups at 200 yds on dead calm days with 52 gr Speer HP over 26.5 gr Win 748 (NOT for semi-autos!!) If accuracy is your aim, I'd put my money on Kimber. I hear good things about Cooper rifles, but I've not shot one. Jurassicnarc
 
a Nylon 66 will run around $350. It was a great bang for buck rifle back when you could get 'em all day for $50 or so, but now there's alot of other options I'd consider. my closest buddy has a 10/22 that's absolutely incredible. I consistently take out pennies at 75 yds. with it using crap ammo on hard ground in a windy river bed. but...I doubt you wanna drop $1,500 into one of those. As far as "bang for the buck" I've heard great things about the CZ rimfires, and you can never go wrong with a decent Marlin. I picked up an EXCELLENT condition Remington 541 at a Garage sale for $200 a couple years ago. It shoots right up with the forementioned Volquartsen 10/22.

If I'm misreading this and a centerfire rifle is what you're after, I'd go with a Savage hands down. Definitely the most bang for the least Buck. For a few bucks more there's also the Tikka rifles which are supposedly guaranteed to group and inch or less at a hundred yards.

Also, if you're seriously looking for tack driving accuracy, don't forget your scope options are every bit as important as your rifle.

I'd love to take this opportunity to talk about guns some more, but I gotta git dinner on the table.
 
With all due respect to the sit in a chair bench rest guys, that just aint my cup of tea . I suppose maybe a bipod for a change of pace . I,m more of a stand up plinker and so is my nylon 66 . If we are gonna get the calipers out I,d rather go shoot . I guess thats the reason I shoot a longbow instead of a compound bow . Good luck !
 
I assure you I do plenty of both kinds of shooting. Sorting is something you can do like knitting while watchin TV. AND it does pay dividends....

For the record I shoot a recurve with arrows I likewise put together of an evening.
 
jurassicnarc44 said:
I assure you I do plenty of both kinds of shooting. Sorting is something you can do like knitting while watchin TV. AND it does pay dividends....

For the record I shoot a recurve with arrows I likewise put together of an evening.
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That's something you don't see much anymore. A recurve bow. I got one somwhere. My dad was an unbelieveable shot with one. My last bow which I have upstairs is a Bear Blacktail Hunter. I haven't gone bowhunting in years. Maybe if I have time to practice I will in the future.
 
My ex f-i-l had a little Browning .22 LR that had a hole in the stock where you loaded it, don't know the model but it was a dinky little thing.:rolleyes:
That was the tightest shootin little gun I ever held to my cheek.:thumbup:
I finally got over jonesin for one.:o ;) :D
I have a Ruger 10/.22 with a Simonds 2X9 satin chrome scope on it to match the stainless steel. It's a good shooter but not the tack driver that little Browning was, 'course my eyes were a lot better back then too.:rolleyes: :o :(
 
Yvsa's right; I plumb forgot those little TAKE-DOWN 22LR Brownings. Back in the thirties Remington leased the patent and made them as the Model 24. Browning still makes them, but they're pricey. Taurus I believe makes a quality knock-off of that design....several as I know like them...
 
Its not to say that I never sat down at a bench . I guess I never got to the range often enough to do both . Heck I used to work in a range and while I got to shoot customers rifles I rarely got to shoot my own . I guess I like the dynamics of shooting more than the mechanics of it . Anyway I don,t want to hijack this thread with my ramblings . My nylon 66 was a gift from the range owner . I wouldn,t pay 350 for one ! (Who am I kidding ! Yes I would !) L:O:L
 
Kevin, my ticker is bad enough that if I take more than two rifles to the range (twice a month 8 months out of the year) I hire one of my high school students to carry the weight for me. Acouple bucks an hour and all the 22LR culls from the sorting operation that he can shoot thru my 10/22 Clark conversion. Less strain on me and another kid introduced to shooting!
 
No, it doesn't have to be a .22. I'd actually prefer something larger, since I'd have the option of using for something other than target shooting and plinking. But I just want it to be able to shoot well as a number 1 priority. I was thinking the rimfires would be the best bang for buck in the accuracy department, which is why I'd been thinking of the 10/22. But it could be a centerfire, be pink and have carvings of unicorns on it if it'll shoot under an inch at 100 yards. I was just thinking rimfire due to hearing about what rebarreled and retriggered 10/22's will do, and the cheap ammo is always a plus.

I've been shooting bows for years, and back in the day, under the influence of magnumitis, I'd purchased some cheap but high power bows, complete with mismatched arrows/rest/tuning, that shot for crap. It was incredibly irritating to make a shot I knew was perfect, and watch the arrow zip away to Narnia. I later upgraded to a well made, even higher power bowtech, actually matching all accessories and was amazed by the difference. I'm just an accuracy freak now.
 
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Seriously, I'd look no farther than a Savage for a centerfire rifle, in either.222, .223, 7mm-08 or .308. Not much to look at, but they are more accurate out of the box as a rule than that of any other maker. Put a nice Leupold Vari-X II or III scope of your fave magnification range on it, and you are GTG.

Noah
 
I know that Browning 22LR semi auto.

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Shot the heck out of one as a kid. If you didn't hold your hand far enough forward on the stock the hot empty shell would raise a nice burn blister on your wrist. :D

Darn accurate little rifle for hunting rabbits.
 
ALBPM said:
I know that Browning 22LR semi auto. Shot the heck out of one as a kid. If you didn't hold your hand far enough forward on the stock the hot empty shell would raise a nice burn blister on your wrist. :D

Darn accurate little rifle for hunting rabbits.
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That's It!!!!:thumbup: :cool: :D Darn accurate little rifle for anything!!!!:thumbup: :D :cool:
And a great rifle for kids because it was so little, really easy to handle and quick on the sight picture.
Still would like to own one but can't justify the cost, as Mac says, "They are pricy.":(
 
Eric_425 said:
No, it doesn't have to be a .22. I'd actually prefer something larger, since I'd have the option of using for something other than target shooting and plinking. But I just want it to be able to shoot well as a number 1 priority. I was thinking the rimfires would be the best bang for buck in the accuracy department, which is why I'd been thinking of the 10/22. But it could be a centerfire, be pink and have carvings of unicorns on it if it'll shoot under an inch at 100 yards. I was just thinking rimfire due to hearing about what rebarreled and retriggered 10/22's will do, and the cheap ammo is always a plus.
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If you want a .22 that will do that, expect to shell out some money. It's possible, but not particularly inexpensive. The $8 bricks of ammo that they sell at Wal-Mart probably aren't capable of it; the good stuff costs a lot more than $8 for 500 rounds.

The magic 1"/100 yards holds an almost mystical appeal and a lot of folks claim some pretty amazing groups. What they often don't mention is that they're often sporting some carefully tuned ammunition and fairly high powered scopes...or that they simply fired three-round groups all day until Fortune smiled on them and one of them broke the barrier. The ones using cheap equipment and factory ammunition? Some of them are exaggerating, and I've never shot with the ones that aren't...if you know what I mean. ;)

Out of my entire collection, I have perhaps three rifles that are honestly capable of it on a regular basis and none are going to do it with inexpensive ammunition. (Although two of them come very close if it's the right inexpensive ammunition.) Only one was under $600 and its ammunition is not inexpensive, if that means anything.

I'm not saying that it can't be done, because I've seen it done. What I'm saying is that I've seen it not done a whole lot more often. You get what you pay for.
 
A friend has just purchased his second Mossberg 151K and then an 151M ( I think) because of the accuracy he found in them. He IS a good shot, and has, with this last purchase, EIGHT .22s. Not positive of the designation and he's out of town now, but he paid $70 for each. Old models.

I appreciate the pursuit of perfection; on a practical level, I never saw the need for it.

As I get more info, I'll post.

Oh, by the way, the Remington Nylon 66 .22s base price seems to be around $150. I've looked for a year and one half for one...almost got one of Rusty's, but no joy. Should be easy to get one for around $200.

Check GunBroker.com, Auction Arms.com, and the other auction websites. With FFL fees and shipping, you should make it around $200.


Local gunshops will often have better prices though.

Good luck. Have fun.

(Edit for correct model # 151)
 
To quote Townsend whelen, " only accurate rifles are interesting." Of everything I ever shot in smallbore rifles, the Anshutz is the most consistent, but I'm not sure it is that much better than the Winchester 52, or the Cooper rifles. None mind you are cheap, but they can sometimes be found reasonably priced as used. When I can get up the money, I intend to purchase one of the Coopers. From what I have seen, not only can many of their rifles qualify for the illusive title of "one-holer", they are not near as finicky about the ammo they are fed as some of the other rifles out there such as the Winchesters, Remingtons, or Anshutz.

How accurate are you looking for in terms of group size at some known distance? Sometimes you can find some good solid rifles that gunshows that are still capable of turning in 'good' accuracy. sergeant over the rifle team I was on said there are more rifles worn out from cleaning than ever from shooting. Bore-Snakes are a God-send.
 
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