Tactical Knives Getting Out of Control?

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Seems like people having their communities - whatever they are like bladeforums, other forums and social medias - compete their "coolness" and want something more unique than anyone else. That leads to more and more ridiculous designs and over designed products. People want unique stuff, sort of knife "hipsterism". Or that's just how I've seen it.
 
You see them because people buy them. No big mystery.

I hope this tactical obsession is just a passing craze, honestly

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That's why...
Yes, the more interconnected we become by corporate America the more we are influenced by their marketing.

I would love to see modern techniques used to make knives which fit different markets than the latest target.

Often the easiest plan is to create a need and then fill it.
 
The tactical or tacticool market has been going to burst for years ... At least that's what been said. I don't know about that. What bothers me is right out of the gate many of the knife pimpers and other newcomers are getting better money for there knives that say JW Smith or a Greg Lightfoot . Much more as a matter of fact . I have a lot of custom folders . Some are hand built by true craftsmen . If you pick up a knife like a Kirby Lambert and see the quality and think about how long it took him to make that knife you might say you know what ..Its worth it. But try and sell that knife and see your return diminish due to people chasing the newer cooler maker.

I have a rule when I buy a new knife an old one has to go. Right now it seem to sell you have to loose . The knives simply don't have any real value or wont hold their value . I don't think I am alone in this "policy" So in the end if it doesn't sell at a fair price then I am not going to buy anything new and that is the only way things will slow down.

So until then the high dollar tactical market will continue as usual . Personally I am getting out . I am hanging on to what I have.. maybe sell a few
I wont continue with this madness .
 
Its just like music or anything else. There is always going to be a market for "innovative" "stuff", and all you can do is sit back and laugh. This "stuff" will not be around long, and only time will weed out the crap from the true artists. Unfortunately as soon as the tacticul knives move along some new fad will be right there to take over, and you'll be complaining about them. Unfortunately some true artists will go under in the process, but thats just the way it is. All you can do is try and educate those around you and give your money to the deserving few. What others do with their money is up to them. I personaly try not to buy from companies that try and cash in on the fads like cold steel even if they have a few good knives burried in the seemingly endless sea of crap.
Moral of the story, just sit back, relax and enjoy the ride. Theres no need to waist time on this "stuff" that can be spent googling over the good knives out there. Life is just to short.
 
To each his own!
The global market is large enough for every sort of knife.
And tactical looking designs are exceedingly popularised
Through entertainment and the media.
With the present realities of the global economic and political uncertainties ever looming,
The mental conditioning For tactical stuff seem exceedingly attractive if not seemingly an absolute necessity.
For reasons of "preparedness" (valid or otherwise)
or "inspired tactical attraction" for tactical or para military material
Means that there will be no end for manufacturers or makers in feeding the marketing trend.
Pricing is not necessarily a solid barrier to those addicted with tactical fascination.
All is in the mind of the individual to decide what is acceptable or not.
Price is very subjective.
Thus, Personal choice is the last bastion of sanity.
 
Some might, I'm not a fan of those knives, personally. But at least KAI are established makers with a history of performance and quality.

I am talking about something else, entirely.

I understand...I just happen to think they are all part of the same phenomenon.
 
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Pretty much. It makes the marketing a slam dunk. Look at the websites for the outfits that make these uber-slabs. They all go something like:

We don't want you buying our knives. We don't believe you are a 365 24/7 testosterone-soaked, troop-supporting, 110% American bad ass.
You are probably a mincing Frenchy with an Opinel: "Ooh la la, zis eez my Opinel! Eet eez wafer theen!"
Or an old fart with a slipjoint who only uses it to cut apples into tiny bits you can chew without teeth, and open up your Depends packages.

You can't handle our knives, pansy.


And people can't resist it. "I am too a bad ass! Here's my $500!"
 
Often the easiest plan is to create a need and then fill it.

And THAT is exactly what the manufactures have done. This whole "tactical" knife thing was a creation to fuel the faltering cutlery industry in this country. They created an artificial market for an item, then with the help of the industry shills, the knife magazines, sold millions of those knives that were a solution to a non existent problem.
 
In a free country with a free marketplace people are entitled to make, and try to sell, whatever they choose. If they are wrong they suffer the loss, if not, they profit. That's the way things work in the real world. I'm NOT going to anguish about someone else's decision. I have enough on my own plate to worry about.
 
There are some knife trading pages on a popular social media site that I joined, and I see these uber-tactical knives on there all the time. What happens is someone buys into the hype, purchases the knife for $4-$600 + and realizes its too heavy to carry comfortably, not very comfortable to actually use, and too thick to cut very well at all and buyers remorse sets in. They turn around and try to sell or trade it on the page and most of the time....no one is interested. I tried to sell a few higher end knives that I thought people would be fighting each other for, but in reality, no one was really interested. Unfortunately, I realized what some of the above posters stated-its mostly hype, and only select models of knives really hold their value at all. I since have thinned my collection and only kept a few that I really like and plan on using. I refuse to spend more than about $30 on a knife from here forward.
 
What I find funny is the built in excuse for poor QC on some of those expensive knives. "So what, it's not a safe queen it's meant to be used by macho men for bad ass stuff."

Who were the ones a while back who put this horrific edge grind on and had the cojones to call it a "working grind." Thing looked like it was sharpened on the curb.
 
This has been a thorne in my side for a lot of years. "back in the day" i had started off thinking i'd use my military experience to design a knife that was "tactical" and label it as such. I based that on what i though a soldier would need in a knife and I made a design i thought would reflect that. I've refined that design over the last 16 or so years and have made a few different designs on a similar theme for those who prefer a larger blade or smaller blade or whatnot. The problem i have with this whole genre is now, 16 years later I don't know what category they fit in, I sure don't feel like calling my knives "tactical" anymore or trying to compete with some of these "tacticool" knives or companies that use every MANLY phrase in the world to describe their sharpened prybars. I don't even consider my knives in the same category as these monstrosities... I based mine off what i thought a field soldier would need, tough, ergonomically comfortable in most grips, easy to maintain with a stout tip that could be used and abused and trusted... as a knife (aka: a cutting tool) that is a comfortable size to carry... not a 3/8" thick 3lb bar of steel with a scandi grind that can resist breaking at 2000lbs. those things are rediculous!!!

So, i'm left with the dilema of either waiting till people start understanding what a real quality tactical knife is again, or trying to find another description of what i call mine that lets someone know it's a serious tool... without sounding like one of the serious tools who show off thier tacticool jokes!
 
The tactical knife trend reminds me of the vehicle trend. Time was when pick-up trucks were low enough to reach the center of the bed from the side without the use of a step-ladder. Now the damn bed rails are neck-high. I get it if you need to haul two pallets of bricks or tow a horse trailer, but I know people who own the things and only use them to pick-up groceries and drive to the office they work in. Tactical knives are the same way for me. A Randall Model 1 used to be tactical, now in order to be tactical the knife has to be two feet long, have a skull-crusher pommel, sharpened guard extensions, and serrated teeth on the spine that look like shark-fins. I see them up for sale all the time on crudlist and I think "who the hell buys these things and what use do these blades ever see?"

Yeah, it's America and if you want a huge truck and a huge knife just to have them, I'm behind your right to buy what you want and like. But it does bewilder me that so much money is spent on items that will probably never be used for their intended purpose, and which will never excel at the purposes most will use them for.

I don't mean to offend anyone who likes, owns, or makes these knives. I just prefer more useful blades. Although I have never, and hope to never, need a knife for a tactical use, I suspect that there better choices out there than some of the blades that look like props from a B-grade 70's sci-fi movie. I think the knife, in the various forms it takes for the various purposes it serves, reached a pinnacle in the evolution process a few centuries ago (for fixed blades at least). Most of the modernizing the tactical thingies employ to look mean only serve, in my narrow-minded medieval opinion, to screw with perfection. I've always thought a knife is most beautiful, most useful, and most durable when it is simple, uncomplicated and highly practical. I'd love to see some reviews of these knives used for something other than imaginary zombie killing, or hypothetical special-ops missions.
 
Found this one on the auction site we all know
"11" MTECH MX-8054 CALL OF DUTY GHOSTS COMBAT KNIFE Military Tactical Throwing
US $0.01
Approx C $0.01"

Tracker knock off, made of cheese. I love the appealing description though.
 
Pretty much. It makes the marketing a slam dunk. Look at the websites for the outfits that make these uber-slabs. They all go something like:

We don't want you buying our knives. We don't believe you are a 365 24/7 testosterone-soaked, troop-supporting, 110% American bad ass.
You are probably a mincing Frenchy with an Opinel: "Ooh la la, zis eez my Opinel! Eet eez wafer theen!"
Or an old fart with a slipjoint who only uses it to cut apples into tiny bits you can chew without teeth, and open up your Depends packages.

You can't handle our knives, pansy.


And people can't resist it. "I am too a bad ass! Here's my $500!"


Thank you for posting this; too awesome!

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This has been a thorne in my side for a lot of years. "back in the day" i had started off thinking i'd use my military experience to design a knife that was "tactical" and label it as such. I based that on what i though a soldier would need in a knife and I made a design i thought would reflect that. I've refined that design over the last 16 or so years and have made a few different designs on a similar theme for those who prefer a larger blade or smaller blade or whatnot. The problem i have with this whole genre is now, 16 years later I don't know what category they fit in, I sure don't feel like calling my knives "tactical" anymore or trying to compete with some of these "tacticool" knives or companies that use every MANLY phrase in the world to describe their sharpened prybars. I don't even consider my knives in the same category as these monstrosities... I based mine off what i thought a field soldier would need, tough, ergonomically comfortable in most grips, easy to maintain with a stout tip that could be used and abused and trusted... as a knife (aka: a cutting tool) that is a comfortable size to carry... not a 3/8" thick 3lb bar of steel with a scandi grind that can resist breaking at 2000lbs. those things are rediculous!!!

So, i'm left with the dilema of either waiting till people start understanding what a real quality tactical knife is again, or trying to find another description of what i call mine that lets someone know it's a serious tool... without sounding like one of the serious tools who show off thier tacticool jokes!

From looking at your posts of knives I don't know why anyone would want to buy a tactical knife over yours. A tactical knife looks useful but your knives for their role perfectly and would last four times longer if not more.
 
established makers with established quality can dictate their price assuming people will pay... if it's a quality american made blade (using a reputable steel) I'll take a shot assuming it's serves a function beyond tacticool knife fighting. as such most of my knives are drop points and not a single tanto in the collection.

i like form AND function in my knives, but as cool as some tactical knives look, 90% of them serve no function that i can use, so i'll stick to the basics
 
Ten years ago, a tactical knife probably had thicker stock and scales and some camouflage or stripes to make it look tougher. Sure it was a little silly, but they still had comfortable ergonomics an useful blades and grinds.

What I'm seeing flooding new knife selections are like Picasso nightmares. They have sharp, angular handles, bolts sticking out of the blade, a blade profile that I can't even describe, shallow grinds that don't even look like they can open an envelope cleanly. They all have a flipper, too, no matter how little sense it makes. All that for half a grand or more, by some maker I've never heard of despite researching knives every day.

I know that people are under playing it, but I'm genuinely flabbergasted by it.
 
Ten years ago, a tactical knife probably had thicker stock and scales and some camouflage or stripes to make it look tougher. Sure it was a little silly, but they still had comfortable ergonomics an useful blades and grinds.

Hey, remember when the Spyderco Police model used to be ultra tactical. "Cop knife." Now its a lightweight. Or when Dark Ops and Extrema Ratios first came out? They were the laughing stock of the knife world! "Dork Ops"!

Ultimately, people make things they can sell and buy what they like.

Honestly, I never really got into one handed openers with pocket clips at all (remember when that was the definition of "tactical"?), so maybe I'm not the guy to talk about the whole thing.
 
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