Tactical Knives Getting Out of Control?

[davek14]

Nobody trains to fight, they train in case they have to fight and you always train with what you use.
So whether or not it gets used for combat is irrelevant, in fact it's probably better if they're not.
It's better to prepare and prevent than repair and repent. Assuming you live to repair and repent.
That being said it would be pretty silly for someone to buy a Karambit or a Tanto and then end up using it opening boxes or something. So I can kind of see your point. I just don't think there's anything wrong with keeping a tactical knife around. I don't really think they should be folders but Doug Marcaida swears by those Emerson Karambits so who am I to say what someone should carry or why.

There's nothing at all wrong with keeping a tactical knife around. Knives are tools and one of that tool's uses has always been self defense. There are many uses for many types of knives and opening boxes and removing splinters from your hands are very valid uses as well.

I hope I am not being persnickety here. I was really speaking more of the marketing which sold knives for "tactical" use when that use was never going to happen in the majority of buyers. Many will use the knives in that function or train to seriously, and that's great. Still, often it is just marketing to sell knives.

Knives are a tool for me and I would like to see money and effort put into making a quality tool which will last instead of into marketing to move product. There have always been snake oil salesmen I suppose. They can work on a much larger scale these days and quality and durability sometimes are falling by the wayside.

 

[jackknife]

You know, I've got very little problem with the guys who want to collect the tactical knife thing. But the word tactical itself is getting obnoxiously used. You have tactical knives, tactical clothing and boots, and paracord. If some being from space spent a bit of time studying us, they would come to the conclusion that humans are a paranoid bunch scared of being attacked or invaded or stranded in a hostile wildness at any moment.

The better half and I are both nature lovers. We hike, woods ramble. We see these characters on the trails with the 5-11 outfits, black swat type boots, a nice shiny clip in the opening of half the pockets they have plus a large survival knife and Maxpedition pack with a hundred feet of paracord coiled up and hanging from it. That's fine, and I have no problem being prepared, but like all things, it needs to be kept in perspective. We live in Maryland. That's on the east cost of 21st century America. Even at the top of a mountain in the Shenandoah National Park, you are not more than a few miles from civilization. Maybe an hours walk. The Appellation trail is like a country park. Carrying 20 pounds of tactical gear is more like an exercise in total loss of persecutive. On the C&O Canal trail it looks like a Walter Mitty escapee from the local booby hatch.

The whole tactical thing has gotten so blown up, it's really ridiculous the extent some people go to. I'd vote to have the word tactical removed from the English language.

 

[Angus McGunnigle]

You see them because people buy them. No big mystery.

Simply said and accurate. If there were no market for them, they would not be produced.

 

[marcinek]

The knife industry has some horrible taste ....

Industries don't have taste. Industries sell things. This has happened over and over in this thread and its odd....people kvetching about the knife industry making stuff they don't like.

Do people think the knife industry makes things that everybody thinks is ugly and nobody buys?

Industries....including the knife industry....make things that people like and buy. That is their sole purpose. Their raison d'être.

That ain't Nobel Prize in Economics stuff.

 

[Sidehill Gouger]

Industries don't have taste. Industries sell things. This has happened over and over in this thread and its odd....people kvetching about the knife industry making stuff they don't like.

Do people think the knife industry makes things that everybody thinks is ugly and nobody buys?

Industries....including the knife industry....make things that people like and buy. That is their sole purpose. Their raison d'être.

That ain't Nobel Prize in Economics stuff.

Here, here! Great post.

 

[knifehoarder]

Industries don't have taste. Industries sell things. This has happened over and over in this thread and its odd....people kvetching about the knife industry making stuff they don't like.

Do people think the knife industry makes things that everybody thinks is ugly and nobody buys?

Industries....including the knife industry....make things that people like and buy. That is their sole purpose. Their raison d'être.

That ain't Nobel Prize in Economics stuff.

Yeah, last I checked, the knives aren't designed by the customers...if you're so familiar with how this stuff works, then you know it typically starts with a guy (generally an employee of said company - part of the INDUSTRY), with apparently poor taste, who puts these hideous designs into a computer. I've never heard of companies paying customers to do that. In fact, very few ask for customer feedback before producing them.

And yes, I think the knife industry makes things that are ugly, that probably don't do very well sales-wise, because they're trying to be unique and it often goes horribly wrong...they throw a bunch of darts at the dartboard and see what sticks.

Seriously, professor....do you really believe every design out there is commercially successful? Better yet, do you think every knife company making this crap is profitable? If so, perhaps you're the one who needs a business lesson or two.

I actually do know a thing or two about business (in fact, I have been quite successful at running my own), so you might want to run your mouth about Nobel Prize in Economics to someone else...that kind of attitude, paired with a lame argument to boot, won't do you any favors when it's aimed at me.

 

[davek14]

Industries don't have taste. Industries sell things. This has happened over and over in this thread and its odd....people kvetching about the knife industry making stuff they don't like.

Do people think the knife industry makes things that everybody thinks is ugly and nobody buys?

Industries....including the knife industry....make things that people like and buy. That is their sole purpose. Their raison d'être.

That ain't Nobel Prize in Economics stuff.

Kvetch... I love your posts dood.

Well, snake oil sold rather well and the inferior VHS won over Betamax. People are herd animals and marketing can be deceptive and carefully planned. People buying things is partially (sometimes largely) due to the marketing itself and not a function of superior merchandise or even what people want.

 

[Ross geiger]

The China knockoffs of customs and semi custom knives really grinds my gears. I'm receiving a Brous reloader and can't help but wonder if it's authentic because I've seen so many fake cheap ass China made knives. Unacceptable in my eyes. I mean the copies still have Brous blades on the knife. If I was a knife maker and someone was using my name. Ooo I'd be at some 5' tall little mans door realll quick

 

[steve-in-kville]

You know, I've got very little problem with the guys who want to collect the tactical knife thing. But the word tactical itself is getting obnoxiously used. You have tactical knives, tactical clothing and boots, and paracord. If some being from space spent a bit of time studying us, they would come to the conclusion that humans are a paranoid bunch scared of being attacked or invaded or stranded in a hostile wildness at any moment.

The better half and I are both nature lovers. We hike, woods ramble. We see these characters on the trails with the 5-11 outfits, black swat type boots, a nice shiny clip in the opening of half the pockets they have plus a large survival knife and Maxpedition pack with a hundred feet of paracord coiled up and hanging from it. That's fine, and I have no problem being prepared, but like all things, it needs to be kept in perspective. We live in Maryland. That's on the east cost of 21st century America. Even at the top of a mountain in the Shenandoah National Park, you are not more than a few miles from civilization. Maybe an hours walk. The Appellation trail is like a country park. Carrying 20 pounds of tactical gear is more like an exercise in total loss of persecutive. On the C&O Canal trail it looks like a Walter Mitty escapee from the local booby hatch.

The whole tactical thing has gotten so blown up, it's really ridiculous the extent some people go to. I'd vote to have the word tactical removed from the English language.

^^^This. Well written!

 

[marcinek]

The China knockoffs of customs and semi custom knives really grinds my gears. I'm receiving a Brous reloader ...

1) Nice bit of racism there.:thumbdn:

2) You do realize that Brous knives are precisely the kind of knives being discussed (very negatively) in this thread, don't you?

 

[Ross geiger]

1) Nice bit of racism there.:thumbdn:

2) You do realize that Brous knives are precisely the kind of knives being discussed (very negatively) in this thread, don't you?

so whats wrong with Jason brous's blades?

 

[Ross geiger]

im pretty damn positive you buy a blade with a design such as his with quality heated steel your going to pay quite a bit more then his prices

 

[marcinek]

Yeah, last I checked, the knives aren't designed by the customers...

Actually, in effect, they are. Products are driven by customer want. Again, high school Econ 101.

 

[marcinek]

so whats wrong with Jason brous's blades?

Read this thread.

 

[Ross geiger]

Actually, in effect, they are. Products are driven by customer want. Again, high school Econ 101.

why are you such a smartass bro take this computer knife stuff seriously huh?

 

[davek14]

1) Nice bit of racism there.:thumbdn:

2) You do realize that Brous knives are precisely the kind of knives being discussed (very negatively) in this thread, don't you?

Are Brous low quality. I really don't know. The thread is more about "tactical" being a moniker to sell low quality at high prices.

 

[knifehoarder]

Actually, in effect, they are. Products are driven by customer want. Again, high school Econ 101.

In effect nothing. Spin it however you like to make you feel better, but the customers aren't the ones putting this stuff into the CAD drawings.

 

[knifehoarder]

Are Brous low quality. I really don't know. The thread has strayed to bashing the Tactical "label" but kept more to tactical being a moniker to sell low quality at high prices.

They're decent made knives, priced way higher than they should be for the materials they use, and the designs are typically seen as gimmicky, serving no real use. Not poorly made, but poorly designed, I guess you could say.

 

[Ross geiger]

Are Brous low quality. I really don't know. The thread has strayed to bashing the Tactical "label" but kept more to tactical being a moniker to sell low quality at high prices.

well Jason claims his knives to be "semi customs" which I agree with as far as quality. a zt 562 is the most quality knife I have id have to let the big time collectors answer that. imo brous stuff is excellent

 

[knifehoarder]

why are you such a smartass bro take this computer knife stuff seriously huh?

I was wondering the same thing. I'm guessing it's because no one will listen to him in real life.