Taiwanese deals

With out getting ino the politics, I have a Spyderco S as well and I love it. Would I prefer it to have been made in the USA? Of course but that doesn't mean the knife is not well made.
 
I, personally, prefer to buy American, too. But, on the other hand, if I see a design I like, I'm not going to let where it's made stop me from buying it. For example, I have the regular and large KaBar TDI knives. I like the design, and I love the knives. The quality is excellent, and the price was outstanding. Quality and value are important to me, regardless of where it's made. You know that if those knives were made here from the same materials, they'd cost considerably more for the same quality. And, I'm not anything close to 'well off'. So, yes, I would RATHER buy American, but I won't shun something I like because of where it's made (and please don't come back with "so you'd buy something made in Iran?"...that's just stupid).
 
Very nice. I've owned a Taiwan BM Ambush for a while now, and its a great solid knife, no problems at all. The AUS 8 blade holds a fantastic edge.
 
I would like to point out that Spyderco is an American company, while Boker is German ... so buying an S and a Trance I'm supporting USA, Germany, and Taiwan.
 
mmarkh:
It's inaccurate to say that just because something is made in Taiwan or Asia in general, that it's automatically produced by "slave labor". It infers that everyone who lives outside the U.S. and Western Europe are the monolithic uneducated masses, which is definitely untrue.

Personally, I've seriously limited my knife buying. I haven't bought a knife in nearly a year and few since '04. Currently saving for an Endura 4 and a CRK Sebenza Classic, obviously neither made in Taiwan. But I do own several Taiwan-made knives (some early CRKTs, a couple Red Class Benchmades) which have stood me well. In particular, the BM Monochrome is rock-solid.
Jim
 
James Y said:
mmarkh:
It's inaccurate to say that just because something is made in Taiwan or Asia in general, that it's automatically produced by "slave labor". It infers that everyone who lives outside the U.S. and Western Europe are the monolithic uneducated masses, which is definitely untrue.

Personally, I've seriously limited my knife buying. I haven't bought a knife in nearly a year and few since '04. Currently saving for an Endura 4 and a CRK Sebenza Classic, obviously neither made in Taiwan. But I do own several Taiwan-made knives (some early CRKTs, a couple Red Class Benchmades) which have stood me well. In particular, the BM Monochrome is rock-solid.
Jim
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True,I was generalizing but their labor is much cheaper than ours.That is the reason I won't buy red class,or Byrd knives because I would rather wait another couple weeks and spend the extra $20 or so and get American made products.I have never seen a knife in the price range of those Taiwan types that captivates me that much that I have to have it.Maybe I am just lucky to make a decent wage but I am not rich by any means.Just a blue collar Power Plant mechanic that likes knives.Fortunately the technology isn't there to send electricity from overseas cause then I would be out of a job because all anyone worries about anymore is to save a f@#@ing buck.
 
Although I do have several Taiwan-made knives, I have by necessity become extremely picky about what I buy. I have to really consider what I actually want, and will keep coming back to for carry/use even years from now. So although I see some Taiwan-made (and some Byrds) that I might like/want, I've decided on just the above-mentioned Sebenza and Endura4, and maybe a BM fixed Griptilian.

I think some great knives are made in Taiwan. (and I lived there for several years). But in the long run, I will probably save some $ by saving up for what I've been craving for a long time. Rather than before, I'd often buy more than a knife a month, often as an impulse buy due to a special deal, or because it was a well-made knife, though I wasn't really sure it was "for me." I was not really saving with a lot of the knives, because all those lower-priced knives will add up in $ if they end up sitting around.
At this moment, none of my knife goals are from Taiwan or China.

However, for those who find that right knife for them, often a good-quality Taiwan knife may be their answer, and certainly better than the knock-off spyderco copies sometimes sold at gas stations/car washes, etc. Just my .02
Jim
 
mmarkh said:
True,I was generalizing but their labor is much cheaper than ours.That is the reason I won't buy red class,or Byrd knives because I would rather wait another couple weeks and spend the extra $20 or so and get American made products.I have never seen a knife in the price range of those Taiwan types that captivates me that much that I have to have it.
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HAHAHAHAHHAAHAA!!!!!! YOU ARE A FUNNY POS!!!!
 
To be honest, I don't own any knives from that country. But if that Boker model is anything like its younger brother, the Subcom, it should make a very good EDC. Just check that the lock doesn't start to loosen up. Other than that, it looks good.
 
Everytime a real knife lover buys a taiwanese knife from a company that makes most of there knives elsewhere it tells them one thing. Even the knife comuntiy will take the best value no matter what. Why should companies that manufacture elsewhere start to lower there prices when we paid that much in the firts place. It will stop bieng a few models made in Taiwan soon enough and in a few years only a couple of the brands knives will be made outside Taiwan instead of the reverse. Are there more people who will buy a 30 dollar knife than those who will buy a 100 dollar one? Yes. Does this mean that knives should be aimed at the cheapest manufacture that will get he job done? I for one dont think so.
 
BigJimSlade said:
Everytime a real knife lover buys a taiwanese knife from a company that makes most of there knives elsewhere it tells them one thing. Even the knife comuntiy will take the best value no matter what. Why should companies that manufacture elsewhere start to lower there prices when we paid that much in the firts place. It will stop bieng a few models made in Taiwan soon enough and in a few years only a couple of the brands knives will be made outside Taiwan instead of the reverse. Are there more people who will buy a 30 dollar knife than those who will buy a 100 dollar one? Yes. Does this mean that knives should be aimed at the cheapest manufacture that will get he job done? I for one dont think so.
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Well said:thumbup:
 
Tetsusaiga said:
if you do not want to use any china or taiwan made stuff.. you might as well be living on the moon.. but then again, you probably need taiwan manufactured electronics to get you there in the first place.

They are everywhere.. deal with it!!
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I hear Kim Jong wants you to only buy production goods from your own country of residence. In fact, it's government enforced.

Why don't we have that in the US, just like in North Korea? They seem happy, right? Only buying their own production goods?

I'm with Tetsusaiga, give the ONLY BUY AMERICAN!!!1 thing a rest.
 
Theres a difference in wishing one could buy all american made goods and wanting to keep companies who have been sucefull selling higher priced goods manufactured outside china/taiwan to continue doing so. Whe cant vote with our dollars in every facet of life, thats true. But you can tell BM that you would rather spend 20-30 bucks more for US production.
 
enderwiggin said:
I hear Kim Jong wants you to only buy production goods from your own country of residence. In fact, it's government enforced.

Why don't we have that in the US, just like in North Korea? They seem happy, right? Only buying their own production goods?

I'm with Tetsusaiga, give the ONLY BUY AMERICAN!!!1 thing a rest.
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Typical liberal b@llSh^t.If we can't speak our minds we might as well be in N.Korea and be friggin starving.Anyone can buy from whoever they want but when you post it on a forum don't expect everyone to agree with it.If you don't like differing opinions get off the post.
 
The blade on the Spyderco "S" is Metal Injection Molded (MIM'd) 440C. Not too many companies in the USA making metal injecion molded blades at all, much less 440C.

sal
 
If Spyderco or Boker or Benchmade or whoever else can produce their knives in Taiwan for less and sell them here for less without sacrificing the quality, then that's economic progress. In the past, I think the latter condition was not satisfied, but the new knives coming out of Taiwan are finally changing that. Look, the higher their quality gets, the more people will be willing to pay for them, and the line between US and Taiwanese products will be blurred. If the US raises Taiwan to their level, I see this as a good thing. Once they achieve this level, there will be no more off-shoring of US jobs to that country. That was my original point. I'm not praising Boker and Spyderco for saving a buck by producing knives in Taiwan. I'm praising them for putting in the effort to raise the quality of Taiwanese products. I think right now, the Trance for instance is very much underpriced. This will probably change. And if it does not, it only means that the prices of US-made knives are way too high for the work that goes into making them, and this has to be remedied. Everything needs to be balanced out, and I think Boker and Spyderco are making the much needed steps in that direction. They are not loosing the battle to cheap Taiwanese knock-offs. Rather they are setting a new high standard for Taiwanese knives.
 
Then why don't they just make them all over there?That's where things are headed.:mad:
 
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