Take a Child Hunting

[Esav Benyamin]

Fair is fair -- arm the animals! (All animals are equal. Some animals are more equal than others.)

 

[sunnyd]

Oh, I wasn't defending Lycosa's ideas. Just pointing out that he wasn't aiming any of his "philosophy" at the W&S crowd in particular.

I understand completely and my comments were wholly sincere. I am glad this thread was ultimately moved over here in the Wilderness from Community and you were quite correct in all fairness in pointing it out to folks who were unaware of its original origin.

I was really enjoying the thread and was going to post my thoughts early on prior to his derogatory comments but then he interjected, and, well here we are.

If this is Lycosa, it's certainly the longest damn post he's ever made.

My take is, its likely one of his buddies.. :yawn:

 

[Mentor]

Thisng work both ways. I trolled for years, then I quit. I wouldnt consider it anymore. I dont even quite understand why I did. I(f I could undo anything in my life it would be to undo the harm I did to the forum. W&SS members have feelings to. Whin I have told others of this decision, the common comment is that "you grew up and became a confident man. You no longer felt insecure and no longer had the need to be ignorant in front of innocent people" I think they were right.

Fixed that for you.

Seriously, though, I respect people who choose not to hunt, or to eat meat, or to use animal products. There's nothing wrong with such positions. We all have our politics when it comes to these things. Personally, I have a deep respect for wildlife. I do participate in hunting (occasionally) and fishing (at every opportunity!), but I do so for food, not (or at least, not primarily or exclusively) sport. I also freely admit to being inconsistent in my enthusiasm for hunting - I would never set out to hunt a bear, for example, though I have no compunctions about eating moose or venison. That's a personal choice, though.

What I dislike is the condescension that people who do not engage in - or understand - these things often direct towards those who do. Simply equating hunting with the urge to kill and dominate is grossly inaccurate, and more than a little insulting. I also dislike the incredible hypocrisy that is displayed by people who condemn hunters but personally enjoy the products of factory farms. Ugh.

Disagree if you want. Question if you're curious. Just make damn sure that you understand something before you condemn it.

All the best,

- Mike

 

[timcsaw]

I'd like to see flame throwers legalized for game hunting. Kill 'em and cook 'em all in one go.

(sometimes... when you find someones button... you just can't help but push it.)

 

[Esav Benyamin]

They work pretty good for backing off the PETA people, too, the ones who run in and try to hug the widdwe bunnies so you can't shoot them.

 

[mymindisamob]

People Eat Tasty Animals

 

[VANCE]

Try Bird or Wildlife watching. Time to switch gears.

i did the last time i was deer hunting(2weeks ago)..


i do it(hunting) for the enjoyment of being outside & observing nature..& possibly taking home some meat for the freezer...to feed the wife & i.


i even put the gun down & took out the camera...

***pretty neat**** you can do both

 

[udtjim]

People who think killing wild game for food have never seen how cruel mother nature can be when game populations get out of check and starvation takes it's toll. I have been a hunter all of my life and have tried to get many youngsters into hunting as well. Hunting and fishing has always been a big part of my life and my whole families lives. I don't look down on people who do not believe in hunting but as someone else said, if you eat animals and condemn hunters, you are a hypocrite IMO. Jesus was a fisherman to as I recall.:thumbup:

 

[VANCE]

i heard he was a carpenter

 

[mtnfolk mike]

i think that hunting and living off the land is a very important skill to teach our children...

my dad is a retired Ca. state parole agent and retired army reserve, sgt. 1st class.. the dude loves guns... i grew up shooting... i got my hunting license when i was 6th grade and have been hunting ever since...
i have long since switched to hunting with a longbow... i feel much more connected to the animals i hunt.. i shoot regularly, but maybe go out hunting a few times a year..

my wife is a total hippie and is she is very respectful of my choice to hunt with a traditional bow( and wood arrows).. the misses actully recently started shooting, she claims she will never hunt... but who knows...

both of my boys, are also avid tradtional archers as well... my 10 year old has been shootting since he was 5 and my 5 y.o. sarted shooting when he was 4... i'm sure they'll both be great hunters... they already have a trophie collection going from all of their 3-d shoots they have placed in...

 

[Esav Benyamin]

i heard he was a carpenter

I like that bumper sticker
"My boss is a Jewish carpenter."

I know they don't mean my great-grandfather, but he was a Jewish carpenter, too.
It's a good business ...

Peter was a fisherman.

i call your name

peter was a fisherman
on the sea of galilee
he sprinkled salt on what he caught
then sold them all to me

i took them to the shore and grilled them for the tourists there
we only had one loaf of bread but the tourists didn't care

oh margarita oh margarita
oh margarita i call your name​

 

[sdt11670]

The most important thing is to teach our children to Respect the Earth and all who dwell thereon.
This younger generation is showing great promise for a better future and will not repeat the mistakes of past generations. We humans Are evolving.

Aren't you just the genius of the century? You are correct by saying the younger generation is showing great promise for a better future... considering rather than preaching premarital sex they preach "just don't have unprotected sex" So many are either dying from std's or are holding their hands out to the taxpayer (sportsmen like me that actually work for what we have) for money to pay for their out of wedlock children! Or they just murder them to cover their mistake!!! And instead of taking up hunting and fishing they are non working drug addicts!!!! stealing from each other or murdering each other as well as us to support their drug habits (never refer to a habit as an addiction because it then becomes acceptable by society as an actual illness and you have to dig deeper in your pockets to help the younger generation "get well" or "recover")
Oh i could go on and on but i will just leave it here. I absolutely cannot stand an IDIOT! Oh what a promising future the next generation is bringing with them

 

[Mentor]

erm, I disagreed with Lycosa too, but I don't think there's a need to turn this thread into a tirade about "kids these days".

All the best,

- Mike

 

[sdt11670]

erm, I disagreed with Lycosa too, but I don't think there's a need to turn this thread into a tirade about "kids these days".

All the best,

- Mike

It's more like a... "parents like Lycosa these days"...Tirade! That's where it all starts. Anywho i take my kid hunting and fishing and camping every chance i get and that's where we will be in the morning... hunting of course.

 

[shecky]

Hunting in the US is pretty much a sport, even if you're eating your kill. For most folks, it's not an efficient way to survive, but rather a an enjoyable activity. This is reality. Not something to be defensive about.

Governments tend to worry about a drop in such activities because it means a loss of revenue. Either the difference has to be made up elsewhere, or public services must be cut.

I feel a decline in hunting is sad, in the same way the decline in chrome and fins on automobiles is sad. Times change, and they've changed for the better. People have a wider variety of activities to enjoy, and they're taking advantage. This does come at the expense of hunting. Fifty years ago, the population was more rural, had fewer resources to allow travel, fewer things to buy, enjoy and spend time on. Today, the population is more urban. Hunting takes more effort. And while mobility has increased, something that would allow more urban folks to reach hunting grounds, that very increase in mobility has opened up a wider variety of activities to compete with hunting. And this hasn't even taken into account the change in attitudes toward hunting, which you all may mock, but exists regardless.

I also have a feeling that the existing pool of hunters may have a tendency to be looked upon as a bunch of grumpy old men, with a sport suited to their personality. It's certainly true that hunters skew increasingly older. And judging by the responses in this thread, not particularly inviting. May not help the situation much.

 

[udtjim]

The words of that old country song is another big reason for the decline in hunting. D-I-V-O-R-C-E. Many kids are being raised in single parent households and usually, by their mothers, who bless their hearts, are not near as likely to teach hunting and fishing to the kids. Add that to a aging population who may continue to fish but give up on the rigors of hunting. Loss of Habitat hurts as well.

It's great to take a kid hunting and fishing but it is also nice for the younger adults to help those who taught them to continue to enjoy the outdoors. Grandpa's sometimes need a little help too.

No offense is meant to the ladies who DO take it on themselves to try to be Mothers and Fathers both, They do their best and should be recognized and saluted.

 

[sunnyd]

.. i think that hunting and living off the land is a very important skill to teach our children...

.. i got my hunting license when i was 6th grade and have been hunting ever since...

i have long since switched to hunting with a longbow... i feel much more connected to the animals i hunt..

my wife is a total hippie and is she is very respectful of my choice to hunt with a traditional bow( and wood arrows).. the misses actully recently started shooting, she claims she will never hunt... but who knows...

.. both of my boys, are also avid tradtional archers as well... my 10 year old has been shootting since he was 5 and my 5 y.o. sarted shooting when he was 4... i'm sure they'll both be great hunters... they already have a trophie collection going from all of their 3-d shoots they have placed in...

Mike,

Great post and I can relate, and some highlights above for my comments.

I myself recently got back to my roots as well in regard to traditional longbow hunting back in late 2006. I cannot say enough about the self satisfaction of using a traditional hand made bow and arrows to hunt with!.

It is a truly amazing feeling when one realizes he/she doesn't need the best, most expensive, and latest equipment (not to mention heavy and loud to tote in the woods) to hunt successfully.. Rather, honing ones skills set in this regard with traditional bows and arrows is far more important.

Here is a pic(sorry 'bout my photo skills quality) of my favorite hand made Osage long bow complete with an eastern Diamondback Rattlesnake skin that covers the front and functions as the perfect camouflage brake up pattern for all the game I am fortunate enough to get in my sights,, as well as a few of my best handmade cedar target arrows.

Both of my young teenage children have become accomplished marksmen durring this time and its something we all enjoy doing together. :thumbup:


Best ~ ><> ~

 

[Mentor]

I also have a feeling that the existing pool of hunters may have a tendency to be looked upon as a bunch of grumpy old men, with a sport suited to their personality. It's certainly true that hunters skew increasingly older. And judging by the responses in this thread, not particularly inviting. May not help the situation much.

I think this is an excellent observation, and one that all of us outdoors enthusiasts ought to think about.

As for cultural explanations for the decline in hunting, divorce and "kids these days" are of minimal importance compared to macro-demographic shifts like the ongoing urbanization of Western society. I'm sure you would all agree that hunting, fishing, and many other wilderness activities are more readily associated with rural lifestyles than urban ones. Rather than getting all grumpy about it and searching for cultural trends to blame, I think our efforts would be better spent in the promotion of activities that allow our urban neighbours to experience the outdoors, hunting, fishing, etc. After all, many people who grow up in large urban areas (in single parent homes or otherwise) have very little exposure to more traditional ways of life, and, consequently, have a hard time understanding them.

Best,

- Mike

 

[JD Mandrell]

i heard he was a carpenter

Nah, he would never have hung out with The Carpenters....

 

[Guyon]

Fixed your pic, VANCE.