Rob Simonich
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Talonite or Titanium for blades?
- Thread starter Lynn Grififth Knives
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Lynn,
You won't regret that decision - Talonite (Stellite too!) is that good - the only problem I can see you having is when people learn you are offering it your backlog will be like Rob's
. My Talonite Carnivore from Rob will be waiting for me when I get home tonight( only 2hrs. 45min. to go Rob! - Iam getting very excited)
. Lynn, now that I said that, would you put me down for a Talonite knife for next June (I'll get back to you on which model)
- I want to get a place while the gettin' is good. As far as I'm concerned as a consumer the increase you need to charge for Talonite is well justified by the qualities of the blade. Thanks!!!
Bill Wentling
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[This message has been edited by PENGUIN (edited 21 December 1999).]
You won't regret that decision - Talonite (Stellite too!) is that good - the only problem I can see you having is when people learn you are offering it your backlog will be like Rob's
Bill Wentling
Moderator - ABS Forged Blades(revamped KnifeForum)
P.S. You'all come on over & visit us on the KnifeForum at knifeart.com - we're getting some good stuff going over there.
They are neat smileys!!!!!
[This message has been edited by PENGUIN (edited 21 December 1999).]
As a material for blades for the average user I think that Stellite/Talonite has the advantage over titanium. I see the priority levels for chores a knife should be able to complete as follows
1. Cutting
2. Chopping
3. Prying
Stellite/Talonite has superior edge-holding, medium chopping and inferior prying abilities. Titanium is exactly the opposite with superior prying, medium chopping and inferior edge-holding abilities.
The properties in my experience for Stellite/Talonite (not included those Im not interested in like magnetic signature or ability to induce sparks)
- excellent corrosion resistance
- excellent edge-holding
- ease of sharpening
- highly abrasion resistant
- fairly heavy
- relatively expensive (especially for big blades)
- Stellite hard to obtain in bigger sizes, Talonite easier
- not elastic, if bend doesnt return to true
And the properties for titanium
- excellent corrosion resistance
- very elastic, good prying ability
- very light
- mediocre edge-holding ability
- difficult to sharpen
- relatively expensive
- beta alloy hard to obtain
From this you can deduct that Stellite/Talonite is very suitable for smaller blades which are intended to cut well. They will hold an edge for quite a while and are easy to maintain and sharpen. If thick enough it is quite suitable for bigger blades which then tend to be quite heavy.
Titanium blades can see use in very specialized applications where the main focus is on the ability to withstand lateral force (prying ability). Those blades are very light and a pleasure to carry. The chopping ability is reduced because of the light weight. It is hard to destroy a titanium blade but on the other hand it doesnt make for a good shaver.
One point to keep in mind is that Stellite/Talonite is not the healthiest material (cobalt and nickel are not good for you or the environment), where titanium is widely used in medical instruments.
1. Cutting
2. Chopping
3. Prying
Stellite/Talonite has superior edge-holding, medium chopping and inferior prying abilities. Titanium is exactly the opposite with superior prying, medium chopping and inferior edge-holding abilities.
The properties in my experience for Stellite/Talonite (not included those Im not interested in like magnetic signature or ability to induce sparks)
- excellent corrosion resistance
- excellent edge-holding
- ease of sharpening
- highly abrasion resistant
- fairly heavy
- relatively expensive (especially for big blades)
- Stellite hard to obtain in bigger sizes, Talonite easier
- not elastic, if bend doesnt return to true
And the properties for titanium
- excellent corrosion resistance
- very elastic, good prying ability
- very light
- mediocre edge-holding ability
- difficult to sharpen
- relatively expensive
- beta alloy hard to obtain
From this you can deduct that Stellite/Talonite is very suitable for smaller blades which are intended to cut well. They will hold an edge for quite a while and are easy to maintain and sharpen. If thick enough it is quite suitable for bigger blades which then tend to be quite heavy.
Titanium blades can see use in very specialized applications where the main focus is on the ability to withstand lateral force (prying ability). Those blades are very light and a pleasure to carry. The chopping ability is reduced because of the light weight. It is hard to destroy a titanium blade but on the other hand it doesnt make for a good shaver.
One point to keep in mind is that Stellite/Talonite is not the healthiest material (cobalt and nickel are not good for you or the environment), where titanium is widely used in medical instruments.
Rob Simonich
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Ralf, want to hear a good one? A very close relative of Talonite is now being used in artificial hip joints because of its lubricity and non galling and extreme wearing charachteristics, (sp)Cant remember the exact alloy but can look it up. Where Cobalt and Nickle are toxic are in fumes and dust etc.
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Cliff Stamp
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Talonite has high wear resistance but this does not in general mean it has high edge holding. It greatly depends on what you are cutting. Strength and toughness can easily dominate depending on the stresses that the knife sees during use.
As an example, I recently did some carpet cutting with a 420V and INFI blade. The 420V blade has greater wear resistance but the edge fractured (subvisible) from the grit impacts whereas the edge on the INFI blade just impacted and rolled. After the cutting was done a simple steeling restored the edge on the INFI blade, the 420V blade needed to be honed.
In general you can compensate for low toughness and strength by making the profile thicker, however this usually leads to a significant loss in cutting ability. This is one of the primary advantages of strong, tough steels. What may be interesting about Talonite is that due to the low drag because of the slicker surface you might be able to get strong cutting performance even at what would be for steel a too thick edge.
-Cliff
As an example, I recently did some carpet cutting with a 420V and INFI blade. The 420V blade has greater wear resistance but the edge fractured (subvisible) from the grit impacts whereas the edge on the INFI blade just impacted and rolled. After the cutting was done a simple steeling restored the edge on the INFI blade, the 420V blade needed to be honed.
In general you can compensate for low toughness and strength by making the profile thicker, however this usually leads to a significant loss in cutting ability. This is one of the primary advantages of strong, tough steels. What may be interesting about Talonite is that due to the low drag because of the slicker surface you might be able to get strong cutting performance even at what would be for steel a too thick edge.
-Cliff
