Tell me why Busse is the best.

Mr. Clean said:
I don't even know how'd they'd fail on you Jaxx. Either they'd have to open the safe from the INSIDE and fall out and get damaged, or fall of your railing. :D
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LOL, good one... ;) But ya know that I got a pile of users too, funny guy! :D:D
 
What ever you do don't get an NMSFNO. Why?

1) It will leave more available for me to snag.
2) If you do you will be hooked.
 
cultivateitnow said:
Is Busse the best knife on the market? Why?

If not what do they do well and who does it better. :)

Are they perfect or could they be improved in some way?
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I'm not a local here but I do own one Hog, three Rats and a Dog.

I'm a hardcore Ranger knife fan ... Jerry and Justin are friends and the original RD blanks were from Jerry. I own a few of those.

I've spent several months reading this forum and researching the models and specs .... while posting very little.

Everything that has been posted about how good Jerrys' knives are is true.

Nothing is perfect but as far as how specific models are designed for absolute brutal use IMO they are the best.

Not to be disrespectful but I don't really think that you have done much research on these blades ... obviously.

.... and if you had a little understanding of knife design and read about INFI you wouldn't need to ask these questions.
 
I have learned that it is all about preference. The old straight handled Busse blades are some of the best fixed blades I have ever used. The new Boss series is a nice complement to the old school style. I recommend them as they are awfully nice. But to each his or her own, and that is the absolute truth.
 
cultivateitnow said:
I like the looks of a few of the Busse models, and I've seen a couple test/reviews. I've read up on INFI and it reminds me of another companies product. It is a idea rather than a true material. It gives them room to make changes without changing the name of the blade steel. It is non-stainless, and it is heat treated to spec.
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Infi is a known composition that has been trade marked and patented. Unless busse wants to file another patent for a different composition infi will not be changing anytime soon.


cultivateitnow said:
I read one knife was purchase and the owner tried to identify the blade and called Mr Busse. It appears that blade was made from a couple different types of steel while in production. Not a big deal. But is proves a point.
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What you just said doesn't prove anything because there are no verifiable sources in it. Infi hasn't changed it's composition since it was patented. Jerry has used several steels throughout the course of his knife making career, sometimes on the same model such as the steel heart. If you want a company to use one steel and one steel only, good luck, I would suggest a custom maker who will provide you with a certificate of the steel used.

cultivateitnow said:
I would rather know what steel is being used so I know if it meets my needs. I always worry when people tell me the blade is easy to sharpen. I prefer a blade that is not easy to sharpen, but yet doesn't chip, so no high end super steel for me. D2, ATS 34, 440C, and even Bucks 420HC special heat treat works for me, most of the time.
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V 0.36% Vanadium
Cr 8.25% Chrome
Fe 87.79% Iron
Co 0.95% Cobalt
Ni 0.74% Nickel
Mo 1.3% Molybdenum
C 0.5% Carbon
N 0.11% Nitrogen

If you want to know what the composition of the steel being used is: ask. There is no reason to want a knife to be harder to sharpen. There are several good reasons why you would want a higher wear resistance.

cultivateitnow said:
I could buy a knife that uses high carbon steel and looks almost like a Busse from another company. They have a cult following too, with the ants and all. I'm told their warranty is the best in the world.

I wonder if I should be concerned when everyone knows the customer service folks by first name. ;)
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The insinuation that people know the first names of the customer service representatives because they have to use them often due to poor *anything* isn't comical or sly. Every customer representative within the busse company represents themselves by their first name. If you would prefer to not know who works at a knife company that's your call.

cultivateitnow said:
I'm okay with a knife being great just because, I own a few of those. I just want to know if the cult following is justified and if people can explain why the product is special. Can I chop down more trees, cut more rope. Maybe I never have to sharping the blade as long as I own the knife. Maybe the knife can withstand saltwater baths for months on end, such as H1. Maybe the knife design is perfect for processing deer or other game.

Warranty is a good selling point, but others claim to be the best too. The knife blade resist stains, so does D2. Won't chip, 1085 can make that claim.

Are they, Busse knives, special or do they just look pretty? Why should I buy busse over say, ESEE? Why should I drink the koolaid?
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Unless you feel the impetus to do so, don't. Buy a lot of other companies knives and be happy. If you ever want to try out a busse for yourself and make your own opinions about it based on use, do so. Most people can use a knife in 420js and be satisfied with how it functions.

INFI as a steel was designed to maintain malleability at high hardness (58-62) while maintaining as many other desirable qualities as possible: wear resistance, ease of sharpening, corrosion resistance, shock resistance, strength. It does so very well.

In each category you will find another steel that can trump INFI: other steels have better corrosion resistance. other steels are harder. Other steels are easier to sharpen. If you need the best of the best in a single category: buy that steel and be happy. If you need as many of the categories to be at the a high level of performance at the same time, with an the most attention being paid towards chip resistance: yes, INFI is the best given that required set of performances.

All things material can be improved upon. If you don't like the fan base, don't interact with the fan base. If you don't like the steel, don't buy or use the steel. If you don't like the price, buy something that is less expensive. If you don't like the availability, buy something that is readily available.
 
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What he said.^

cultivateitnow, you seem to know a lot about knives having only been here since August... Have you previously been a part of this forum?
 
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I think LVC pretty much covered all the bases as he normally does. :thumbup: We are here because we like the Product the steel the knives themselves the People and Busse the company overall. We all have choices and we choose to be here. What more can be said.
 
cultivateitnow said:
. I've read up on INFI and it reminds me of another companies product. It is a idea rather than a true material. It gives them room to make changes without changing the name of the blade steel. It is non-stainless, and it is heat treated to spec.
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This is a common theme on threads that are disparaging to Busse Combat on other forums. That INFI is just a brand name, a marketing scheme, but that Jerry uses any steel he feels like. I believe that you are trying to equate Busse INFI to Cold Steel Carbon V. There is simply no comparison.

INFI is the name of an actual steel, a single proprietary steel, with a known composition. This same composition of steel has been in use, almost exclusively, and when it was not used it has been explicitly pointed out, for over a decade now. The only time that the same style of knife has been made in more than one type of steel is when Jerry is switching over to that steel because he has found it to be superior.

Your tone changed dramatically from you original post, I can almost see you telling your buddies, "I'm going in, watch this, it should be hysterical".
 
Mr. Clean said:
I don't even know how'd they'd fail on you Jaxx. Either they'd have to open the safe from the INSIDE and fall out and get damaged, or fall of your railing. :D
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I just blew Kool-aid through my nose!!!!:D:thumbup::thumbup:
 
cultivateitnow said:
Is Busse the best knife on the market? Why?
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They may be. Certainly one of the best generic brands.

Good steel, good heat treat, a variety of good designs.

Prices are not unreasonable considering what many other companies are charging these days, and the price of gold.

If you want a smaller, sharper style of knife you might consider Dozier knives.
 
I knew this guy was a troll...



He is proof that a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing. hope he learns something here.
 
If he is a troll...don't feed him.
If he isn't a troll...educate him.

Just the facts, man...just the facts. ;):thumbup:
 
Matteo Escobar said:
This is a common theme on threads that are disparaging to Busse Combat on other forums. That INFI is just a brand name, a marketing scheme, but that Jerry uses any steel he feels like. I believe that you are trying to equate Busse INFI to Cold Steel Carbon V. There is simply no comparison.
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Just FYI. Carbon V is an actual steel with a known composition. It was made by Camillus for Cold Steel, and the heat treatment was overseen by Dan Maragni.

Phil Gibbs said:
Carbon V definately came first. It was the brainchild of the Metal God, Dan Maragni, & was, in my opinion, what put Cold Steel on the map all those years ago.

When Cold Steel came to Camillus to make their carbon steel knives, they did not want to pay for the vast amount of steel that had to be purchased in order to have a custom steel made to their specifications.
Consequently Cold Steel agreed that Camillus could also use the steel (& pay them a royalty, I believe) but could not call it Carbon V.

I came up with the name 0170-6C, based on an almost close (but NOT) steel produced by Sharron Steel called 0170-6.

All this is historical trivia.

The real issue for those who understand is Heat Treatment!

The reason that the Camillus Beckers perform so well is that Dan Maragni set up a system of heat treatment at Camillus for the Cold Steel knives, & oversaw almost every batch of knives produced. What we learnt about heat treating Cold Steel seeped over to the Becker knives.
All that is now lost forever!

In my humble opinion, the values of the Camillus Beckers may not rise significantly in the collector market, but for those interested in a high performance user, get them while you can. Without Maragni's methods, I don't care what a future maker of Beckers uses, they will just be well designed carbon steel knives covered in powder coat!

I dearly hope I am wrong & the new maker will consider trying to improve their methods. Time will tell..............
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Cultivate, I'm going to ASSUME you're not trolling, and are just reacting poorly to some guys senses of humor.

That being said, What shouldn't you go buy an ESEE? I don't know, why don't you? They're very good knives. I've got an ESEE6 and ESEE3. They are about as good as 1095 gets, and they come with a great sheath system and warranty.

But, are Busse better?

Yes. I remember a good while ago (I think when the BWM came out) that guys there were going on about how there's nothing it can do that the Junglas can't (Doing the ESEE cult thing, rather than the Hog cult thing). Jeff Randall himself posted that Busses are indeed better. ESEE doesn't make the best knives, they make knifes that work great for there intended uses and the average Joe can afford. In other words, they are servicing an entirely different market than Busse.

Busse knives are high-end knives built to be able to take things that would be stupid to try with most other knives.

But, maybe you'll buy it and not like it. You can almost always flip it later, often for as much or more than you paid for it.

It also seems you're hung up on the price. Yes, they aren't cheap like a Buck knife. You do have to pay to play.

I came into the Busse world a skeptic. Fact is, you won't understand until you buy one and use it. Can you cut more between sharpenings? Yes. Can you beat the crap out of it without it dying on you? For the most part, except for the very thin ones. Fact is, Busse knives are one of the few things I've bought over the years that live up to their hype.
 
cultivateitnow said:
It is a simple question, really it is. So when we don't have answers rather than saying nothing we call people trolls and drugies?
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The post below is full of innunendo, misinformation, and a mentality that already seems biased against the knives. It's little wonder why some folks here are starting to think of the T word.

You're relatively new to BFC, so you're getting a pass in this thread for the most part. But for future reference, if you ask questions in a positive, respectful tone, you get answers that are positive and respectful. :thumbup:

cultivateitnow said:
I like the looks of a few of the Busse models, and I've seen a couple test/reviews. I've read up on INFI and it reminds me of another companies product. It is a idea rather than a true material. It gives them room to make changes without changing the name of the blade steel. It is non-stainless, and it is heat treated to spec.

I read one knife was purchase and the owner tried to identify the blade and called Mr Busse. It appears that blade was made from a couple different types of steel while in production. Not a big deal. But is proves a point.

I would rather know what steel is being used so I know if it meets my needs. I always worry when people tell me the blade is easy to sharpen. I prefer a blade that is not easy to sharpen, but yet doesn't chip, so no high end super steel for me. D2, ATS 34, 440C, and even Bucks 420HC special heat treat works for me, most of the time.

I could buy a knife that uses high carbon steel and looks almost like a Busse from another company. They have a cult following too, with the ants and all. I'm told thier warranty is the best in the world.

I wonder if I should be concerned when everyone knows the customer service folks by first name. ;)

I'm okay with a knife being great just because, I own a few of those. I just want to know if the cult following is justified and if people can explain why the product is special. Can I chop down more trees, cut more rope. Maybe I never have to sharping the blade as long as I own the knife. Maybe the knife can withstand saltwater baths for months on end, such as H1. Maybe the knife design is perfect for processing deer or other game.

Warranty is a good selling point, but others claim to be the best too. The knife blade resist stains, so does D2. Won't chip, 1085 can make that claim.

Are they, Busse knives, special or do they just look pretty? Why should I buy busse over say, ESEE? Why should I drink the koolaid?
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Long story short, everyone is going to have their own opinion. Some like 'em, some don't, some come, some go. Try it for yourself.
 
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