Tenacious or Persistence with S30V ??

[twalters1959]

I know I know the Tenacious, or the Persistence comes with S30V steel, but these two Spyderco knives would be so awesome. Don't get me wrong I think they are awesome knives just like they are, but they would be unbeatable with a S30V upgrade. What do you guys and gals think? Hey Sal how about a little Sprint Run? :thumbup:

 

[fetzer85]

This topic has been brought up before and it appears the consensus is it won't happen because of the plant they're manufactured in. They only work with certain steels there and I don't believe S30V is one of them - or M390, CTS-204P, M4, etc.

 

[SpydrMan]

Doubtful this would ever happen, but I hear ya. The only knock on the Spyderco budget line is the steel and country of origin. But if they moved production to Taiwan or Golden and used S30V then they wouldn't be budget knives anymore, would they? I think Spyderco has enough quality knives in S30V to satisfy almost anyone. The Tenacious family fills a need for a high value budget knife and does so quite well. No need to change what works.

 

[ridethepony14]

I agree with Spydrman, the whole idea of the tenacious line is budget friendly, bang-for-your-buck performance and upgrading the steel would move it out of that category. You'd might as well buy a manix or super leaf at that point

 

[Stays Sharp]

I agree with Spydrman, the whole idea of the tenacious line is budget friendly, bang-for-your-buck performance and upgrading the steel would move it out of that category. You'd might as well buy a manix or super leaf at that point

The current line is budget friendly and that won't change but there are many out there who feel that the Tenacious line is an excellent platform and would like an upgraded steel anyway. From the guy who started with the Tenacious and would like to stick to the model...to the enthusiasts who have been clamoring for a bump in edge retention because they like everything else about the knife.

Like always repeated on these threads, eventually producing an upgraded Tenacious does not at all mean that the the value line will go anywhere. You dont see the standard PM2 disappearing because of a sprint run version do you?

 

[danthaman1980]

I know I know the Tenacious, or the Persistence comes with S30V steel, but these two Spyderco knives would be so awesome. Don't get me wrong I think they are awesome knives just like they are, but they would be unbeatable with a S30V upgrade. What do you guys and gals think? Hey Sal how about a little Sprint Run? :thumbup:

I hate to have to disagree with you - I don't own a Tenacious or Persistence and I don't doubt that they are great knives at a great value - but if you want an S30V knife you're kind of stepping out of the high value arena and into the high performance arena, and that's not really what the Tenacious or Persistence are there for.

If you like those knives but want an S30V... buy a Sage.

 

[nickvnlr]

If you like those knives but want an S30V... buy a Sage.

The Sage is a completely different pattern. I think 9Cr18MoV would be a decent upgrade for the Tenacious line and it's still a Chinese steel.

 

[Tdhurl1103]

I'm with the OP on this. The Persistence Platform is almost near perfection IMO. I like my Persistence very much. The size, blade shape, weight and feel is perfect, however, I do catch myself looking at the 8Cr13Mov and thinking.......that cheap steel is the only thing holding this one back from true greatness. And that steel is why I don't take it to the woods or even cut wood with it.

At this point Spyderco could do very well with a Sprint of the Persistence in S30V and yes, I would gladly pay for it once it is knocked out of the budget realm. Its a no lose situation IMO, cause I'd buy a dozen. Yes, I realize my money is safe in this regard. I know it will never happen though. Shame. Oh well.

I had to upgrade to a Sage 1 just to get the better blade steel and keep the size and weight threshold somewhat near my Persistence, and I had to accept the design of a choil that's not really needed.

The real question is though: How many budget knives does an awesome company like Spyderco really need? The millie and pars are always sold out and back ordered, so the company aint hurting for business. And, honestly, I thought the ManBugs and LadyBugs were supposed to fill that niche anyway. Yet I feel the Tenacious and Persistence aren't really so much a budget knife as much as they are a chinese knock off of some other better Spyderco. I don't get it.

 

[twalters1959]

Ok guys everyone's comments are valid. The Tenacious and the Persistence are awesome just as they are, and I know we will never see one of these knives with S30V steel, I just thought it would be nice if they did do a sprint run with an upgraded steel and not just a diiferent color G10 scale. The Sage 1 is a fantastic knife, but not everyone can just go out and drop $100.00 - $125.00 on an EDC knife. Spyderco has become a Company that builds, and sells knives all around the world. I believe it really would not be a big issue for them being the Multi Million Dollar Company that have become to offer us common every day working class Spyderco lovers a bone. I could be wrong though. Just thought it would be nice to have a Sprint run Tenacious or Persistence with some upgraded steel and still keep the price under $100.00. But then again if they did that there would be no need for them to make anymore of those high end model Spyderco's.

 

[Rasco]

The Sage 1 is a fantastic knife, but not everyone can just go out and drop $100.00 - $125.00 on an EDC knife.

????
If you can't save up $25 a month for 4 or 5 months to buy a really nice knife you're going to Carry EveryDay, you may need to reassess your career options.
They didn't become a "Multi Million Dollar Company" by making poor business choices.
They have already thrown you a helluva bone with the ParaMilitary 2 and other Golden CO and Taichung produced knives.

If you can afford $70 for a Tenacious sprint run in S30V, why can't you just save up a few more dollars and get one of the many Spyderco models that come in S30V or other premium steels?

Not trying to be a dick here, I genuinely don't understand.

 

[Chris "Anagarika"]

Sal has mentioned in the past that their maker in China can't produce 9Cr consistently enough to meet Spyderco QC requirement.

Also, many has used 8Cr on wood, and it performed adequately (as per their test). I'd suggest look up RuslanKiyasov on YT, he did some comparison of Tenacious vs other Chinese made 8Cr (Enlan if not mistaken), and the edge retention of Tenacious blowed Enlan out of the door.
To those thinking it's geometry, the way the rope cutting was done, it's not affected by geometry and the Enlan dulled at the apex (no longer biting into the rope). Unfortunately I don't speak the language, so I can't catch if he sharpened them beforehand to same grit / angle.

With that in mind, I think it still shows one thing: Spyderco demand on QC is high and resulting in high performance knives, even in 8Cr.

 

[singularity35]

Ok guys everyone's comments are valid. The Tenacious and the Persistence are awesome just as they are, and I know we will never see one of these knives with S30V steel, I just thought it would be nice if they did do a sprint run with an upgraded steel and not just a diiferent color G10 scale. The Sage 1 is a fantastic knife, but not everyone can just go out and drop $100.00 - $125.00 on an EDC knife. Spyderco has become a Company that builds, and sells knives all around the world. I believe it really would not be a big issue for them being the Multi Million Dollar Company that have become to offer us common every day working class Spyderco lovers a bone. I could be wrong though. Just thought it would be nice to have a Sprint run Tenacious or Persistence with some upgraded steel and still keep the price under $100.00. But then again if they did that there would be no need for them to make anymore of those high end model Spyderco's.

So they should deliberately produce a sprint that makes a loss for them just because you want them to? Just buy a box cutter. It will probably take care of your cutting needs.

 

[nickvnlr]

Sal has mentioned in the past that their maker in China can't produce 9Cr consistently enough to meet Spyderco QC requirement.

Also, many has used 8Cr on wood, and it performed adequately (as per their test). I'd suggest look up RuslanKiyasov on YT, he did some comparison of Tenacious vs other Chinese made 8Cr (Enlan if not mistaken), and the edge retention of Tenacious blowed Enlan out of the door.
To those thinking it's geometry, the way the rope cutting was done, it's not affected by geometry and the Enlan dulled at the apex (no longer biting into the rope). Unfortunately I don't speak the language, so I can't catch if he sharpened them beforehand to same grit / angle.

With that in mind, I think it still shows one thing: Spyderco demand on QC is high and resulting in high performance knives, even in 8Cr.

The Byrd Catbird Titanium was made with 9Cr. So the factory must have some experience?? Or maybe that was why it was a limited run...

Also, I thought the Byrd line was all about "budget" folders...??
Ah, well... saving up for a Tatanka and/or Schempp Bowie...

 

[Jaidmaster]

I could be wrong, but what I'm hearing is that the OP likes the design of the Ten/Per better than anything else in the Spyderco lineup, regardless of price, and would like to have the option of a better steel...??

 

[twalters1959]

Sorry I did not want to sound like I was ranting, or complaining. I like all of the Spyderco knives from the highest price ones to the lowest. i know the Tenacious and Persistence has been there bread and butter line so to speak, and I love them both, just thought it would be nice to have an upgraded steel and still keep the price point low.

 

[Sal Glesser]

The Byrd Catbird Titanium was made with 9Cr. So the factory must have some experience?? Or maybe that was why it was a limited run...

Also, I thought the Byrd line was all about "budget" folders...??
Ah, well... saving up for a Tatanka and/or Schempp Bowie...

Hi Nick,

The ti "Catbyrd" was a problem. The first batch was trashed. The 2nd batch was acceptable but he didn't like to work with 9Cr due to warping issues (all of the Mule Team 9Cr were warped). Also that maker has gone out of business.

sal

 

[Sal Glesser]

Sorry I did not want to sound like I was ranting, or complaining. I like all of the Spyderco knives from the highest price ones to the lowest. i know the Tenacious and Persistence has been there bread and butter line so to speak, and I love them both, just thought it would be nice to have an upgraded steel and still keep the price point low.

Hi Twalters,

I think that we understand the request. We get it quite often. The logistics just aren't there. New maker, new tooling, small market, 4 times the price, etc. The makers that can consistently work with exotic steels are few.

Singularity always tries to bring "spicy truth" to the conversation. He's a long time visitor

sal

 

[singularity35]

Hi Twalters,

I think that we understand the request. We get it quite often. The logistics just aren't there. New maker, new tooling, small market, 4 times the price, etc. The makers that can consistently work with exotic steels are few.

Singularity always tries to bring "spicy truth" to the conversation. He's a long time visitor

sal

Hey Mr. G, I'm sorry about that but I find that I'm getting grumpier as I get older.

 

[singularity35]

double tap

 

[Sal Glesser]

That's ok, we love you anyway. I tend to get a bit grumpy now and then myself.

sal