Tenacious... umm.... why is this thing so damned good?

[bikerector]

Not to derail the thread but this has kind of convinced me to try one. How does handle thickness compare to a manix 2 or delica? I'm actually looking at the persistance but I think it should be similar.

 

[Sal Glesser]

The blade style is almost the same. But the niple at the end of the he handle and the overhang by the pivot (when closed); I don't know. Something about that look bugs me. To the point where even with BD1, I can't overlook it.

Hi Anycal,

Welcome to our forum.

The "nipples" are expansion for hooking the hand in push and pull cuts. function driven form.

sal

 

[anycal]

Got it. Didn't mean to poop on someone's parade. Would have loved tenacious with DB1. Polestar is not for me I guess.

 

[Jamesh Bond]

Hi Anycal,

Welcome to our forum.

The "nipples" are expansion for hooking the hand in push and pull cuts. function driven form.

sal

Anything you guys design is driven by function first, Sal. It's kinda your trademark.

Speaking for myself, my comments on the Polestar were made knowing the handle "nipple" was no accident. Unfortunately, as much as i agree with "form following function," aesthetics play enough of a role for me that I can be turned off of some knives if a certain combination of lines and curves hits my eye wrong.

I'm working on that character flaw so I can widen my collection! Lol!

Since we're talking about it, I have a question for you. Everyone is talking about what an upgrade BD1 is over 8Cr13MoV. But I seem to recall you comparing both these steels to AUS-8. So would it really be a significant upgrade?

I am personally already impressed with the steel performance in my tenacious. Those qualities are optimal for me. I would like to see it upgraded to VG-10 or 154CM. Nothing super hard or brittle for me. More toughness and easier sharpening are my preference over pure wear resistance. I use my knives hard.

But I chuckle at many references (everywhere) to "upgrading" to BD-1. Unless I'm wrong, the only significant difference in real world perception would be the steel name and country of manufacture.

Or. . . . ?

 

[Sergeua]

Tenacious has a nice handle that I can grip with my pinkie ring and middle finger and an awesome blade shape.
If you are going to grip the knife like a man to cut things then it's a clear winner over the byrd series

*not me in picture*

 

[Sal Glesser]

On the steel upgrade; Gingami I was always considered a major upgrade over AUS-8, both in performance and cost. BD-1 is a tweaked Gingami I so yes, I would consider it to be a major upgrade.

On design; There are 2 major directions that we watch closely. One is the "design for eye". These designs are more often than not collaborations that were created by custom makers, designing for collectors (mostly due to high cost) and so attention to the detail that makes a knife appealing to the eye is very important to success. Many of our customers are in that camp. Eric has a much better "eye" than I do for eye appeal so his designs are often crossovers. I am pretty much about function and performance so I will add the "nipples" for control and safety, with little regard for appearance. I guess that's why my early designs were considered "fugly" which is why we began collaborations (Bob Terzuola) in the first place back in the late 80's. All in all, it gives us a broad design selection which serves our customers better than just one focus.

Hope that helps.

sal

 

[Insipid Moniker]

Tenacious has a nice handle that I can grip with my pinkie ring and middle finger and an awesome blade shape.
If you are going to grip the knife like a man to cut things then it's a clear winner over the byrd series

*not me in picture*

Speak for yourself. Ergos are personal and I'll happily cut with a Cara Cara 2 all day long. Heck, the handle is modeled after that of the Endura, a knife known far and wide for outstanding ergonomics throughout the knife world. You can waste time, "gripping things like a man," personally I grip a knife to cut what I'm cutting.

 

[kniferbro]

What are these nipples we are talking about? The little hook at the front and end of the Polestar handle?

 

[Sergeua]

Speak for yourself. Ergos are personal and I'll happily cut with a Cara Cara 2 all day long. Heck, the handle is modeled after that of the Endura, a knife known far and wide for outstanding ergonomics throughout the knife world. You can waste time, "gripping things like a man," personally I grip a knife to cut what I'm cutting.

My bad I forgot it's got a choil and you can still grip it like a man. I take my mean comments back

They are nice knives. Just my pinkie feels left out. That's like the strongest part of your grip actually. Perhaps it's this nipple thing I need they are referring to, I am not too sure.
And apologies for mean post. Sorry, sorry I am Canadian lol

 

[Sal Glesser]

What are these nipples we are talking about? The little hook at the front and end of the Polestar handle?

correct.

sal

 

[Insipid Moniker]

My bad I forgot it's got a choil and you can still grip it like a man. I take my mean comments back

They are nice knives. Just my pinkie feels left out. That's like the strongest part of your grip actually. Perhaps it's this nipple thing I need they are referring to, I am not too sure.
And apologies for mean post. Sorry, sorry I am Canadian lol

It's all good. Didn't mean to jump all over you.

 

[Jamesh Bond]

On the steel upgrade; Gingami I was always considered a major upgrade over AUS-8, both in performance and cost. BD-1 is a tweaked Gingami I so yes, I would consider it to be a major upgrade.

On design; There are 2 major directions that we watch closely. One is the "design for eye". These designs are more often than not collaborations that were created by custom makers, designing for collectors (mostly due to high cost) and so attention to the detail that makes a knife appealing to the eye is very important to success. Many of our customers are in that camp. Eric has a much better "eye" than I do for eye appeal so his designs are often crossovers. I am pretty much about function and performance so I will add the "nipples" for control and safety, with little regard for appearance. I guess that's why my early designs were considered "fugly" which is why we began collaborations (Bob Terzuola) in the first place back in the late 80's. All in all, it gives us a broad design selection which serves our customers better than just one focus.

Hope that helps.

sal

Thanks for clearing that up, Sal.

 

[Boxer .45]

Yeah they're terrible.

One of my friends talked me out of the black one but there is no way I'm getting rid of the others. I recommend it probably more than any other knife, and get more thank you's because of it. Great blade.

 

[JupiterPaladin]

I just got my first Tenacious today and haven quit playing with it yet! Also got my first Endura and Delica this month also. Love them all!

Sal, if you offer a sprint run on the Tenacious in S35VN I would preorder right now. I know it's a budget blade, but the design is so awesome in pretty much every way, it just begs for a super steel!

 

[Boxer .45]

I just got my first Tenacious today and haven quit playing with it yet! Also got my first Endura and Delica this month also. Love them all!

Sal, if you offer a sprint run on the Tenacious in S35VN I would preorder right now. I know it's a budget blade, but the design is so awesome in pretty much every way, it just begs for a super steel!

Nice collection and all so close together, guess you got bit by the spyder.

 

[kershawguy13]

Used to own a Tenacious and this thread inspired me to order a new green one.

 

[ThePeacent]

Speak for yourself. Ergos are personal and I'll happily cut with a Cara Cara 2 all day long. Heck, the handle is modeled after that of the Endura, a knife known far and wide for outstanding ergonomics throughout the knife world. You can waste time, "gripping things like a man," personally I grip a knife to cut what I'm cutting.

perfect ergos for me, YMMV. I ain't know how to "grip like a man"