Thanks for not jumping on the axis lock bandwagon

I'm a little shocked people are asking for this. Half the allure of a Spyderco for me is a model having the compression lock. I wish there were more of them to offer this like the Native 5 or any other lock back model. And if I understand it right the Sage 6 is a new variation of the Smock compression button lock which I'd love to see more of as well. But axis bar lock? On a Spyderco? Just why???
 
David Mary said:
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This is what the Manix should have always looked like. Having a finger choil on the blade on a knife that size doesn't make sense to me. There's already plenty of handle, why do I need more handle on the blade?
 
Maximumbob54 said:
I'm a little shocked people are asking for this. Half the allure of a Spyderco for me is a model having the compression lock. I wish there were more of them to offer this like the Native 5 or any other lock back model. And if I understand it right the Sage 6 is a new variation of the Smock compression button lock which I'd love to see more of as well. But axis bar lock? On a Spyderco? Just why???
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More cutting edge. I bet you could add a 1/4" of cutting edge to an endura with the axis lock without changing the style or shape. I personally love my backlocks and enjoy my compression lock para 2. But if the axis lock could improve on already great designs, I'm all for it. And because noone offering axis locks right now offers k390, maxamet, etc.
 
elevator man said:
More cutting edge. I bet you could add a 1/4" of cutting edge to an endura with the axis lock without changing the style or shape. I personally love my backlocks and enjoy my compression lock para 2. But if the axis lock could improve on already great designs, I'm all for it. And because noone offering axis locks right now offers k390, maxamet, etc.
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The back lock engages behind the thumb ramp and has nothing to do with the odd bit of steel next to the blade edge. I have no idea why they don't sharpen more edge length.

The compression lock is at least mostly the same in that it's the back end of the blade where the liner engages the blade. The Bodacious is the first compression lock model that I'm aware of that finally has both the compression lock and doesn't demand the finger chunk hand hold choil. I really hope they offer a mini Bodacious soon because I think that would be my new favorite Spyderco.

The only thing the axis lock would add to any Spyderco is the added risk of broken springs. And they already have the caged ball lock design with the coil spring that doesn't wear out and snap. Which is yet another blade that could have the choil removed for more sharpened edge.
 
Sal has said repeatedly that the large ricasso on the back lock knives is for safely being able to drop the blade on to your finger when closing one handed.
 
Maximumbob54 said:
The back lock engages behind the thumb ramp and has nothing to do with the odd bit of steel next to the blade edge. I have no idea why they don't sharpen more edge length.

The compression lock is at least mostly the same in that it's the back end of the blade where the liner engages the blade. The Bodacious is the first compression lock model that I'm aware of that finally has both the compression lock and doesn't demand the finger chunk hand hold choil. I really hope they offer a mini Bodacious soon because I think that would be my new favorite Spyderco.

The only thing the axis lock would add to any Spyderco is the added risk of broken springs. And they already have the caged ball lock design with the coil spring that doesn't wear out and snap. Which is yet another blade that could have the choil removed for more sharpened edge.
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Springs and posts have snapped maybe not as often as omega springs but it happens. The post is plastic.

IMO omega springs very rarely break, think of how many hundreds of thousands of springs are out there but when you google you find like ten examples of them breaking.
 
SharpBits said:
Sal has said repeatedly that the large ricasso on the back lock knives is for safely being able to drop the blade on to your finger when closing one handed.
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Sal, please give us the option for a full sharpened edge. Pretty please. I get it but it would be great to have the option. Maybe do them in batches.
 
Yo Mama said:
IMO omega springs very rarely break, think of how many hundreds of thousands of springs are out there but when you google you find like ten examples of them breaking.
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I see this posted and I have to wonder how many people buy knives vs how many people post on forum do you think there are. All I can offer is my 940's springs gave up the ghost.
 
Maximumbob54 said:
The back lock engages behind the thumb ramp and has nothing to do with the odd bit of steel next to the blade edge. I have no idea why they don't sharpen more edge length.

The compression lock is at least mostly the same in that it's the back end of the blade where the liner engages the blade. The Bodacious is the first compression lock model that I'm aware of that finally has both the compression lock and doesn't demand the finger chunk hand hold choil. I really hope they offer a mini Bodacious soon because I think that would be my new favorite Spyderco.

The only thing the axis lock would add to any Spyderco is the added risk of broken springs. And they already have the caged ball lock design with the coil spring that doesn't wear out and snap. Which is yet another blade that could have the choil removed for more sharpened edge.
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The ricasso is what hits on the backbar when the knife closes, stopping it's close motion. Otherwise the edge would hit the handle. An axis lock removes the need for it.
 
SharpBits said:
Sal has said repeatedly that the large ricasso on the back lock knives is for safely being able to drop the blade on to your finger when closing one handed.
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I totally get that. I close my back locks like that too. But my axis locks swing close easy peasy with no fingers in the way.

Advantages to both. But I would love to see both offered by spyderco. By no means get rid of the backlocks
 
elevator man said:
The ricasso is what hits on the backbar when the knife closes, stopping it's close motion. Otherwise the edge would hit the handle. An axis lock removes the need for it.
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They need a taller spot on the ricasso, not half an inch of steel to do it. Example:

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The Rough Rider only has a little, the Spyderco a little more, and the Buck has the most. Move that baby bump down some, please.
 
Sal Glesser said:
Hi Stillshot,

We're still contemplating using it. Customers have been asking for it and some of our makers would also like for us to do it.

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Sal, thanks for this. I know that Spyderco culture is to be very mindful and respectful of others' intellectual property, even if the freedom exists. It's one of the reasons why it is easy to support your company.

I do think some sprint runs featuring a crossbar type lock could be a good way to gauge interest. A future Sage model could be a natural step in that progression.

The Manix series also seems like it could be a good fit. Overall, I really enjoy the Manix design, and as a lefty, I appreciate the ambidextrous nature of the CBBL. Two deficiences that I see with the CBBL, in comparison to the crossbar style, is that the CBBL only makes use of the center locking block for strength, which is mainly dependent on that little screw in the upper top corner of the knife - in lock strength testing videos, that screw and (subsequently) the locking block, are what fail first. Since the regular Manix is a full steel liner knife, the strength of the knife could highly benefit from a crossbar lock that locks up against the full strength of the steel liners. The other benefit is the strength of the crossbar itself as one piece of steel, versus the captive nature of the ball bearing. I know people have accidentally dropped the Manix the wrong way and damaged the plastic BB housing (since it sticks up past the scales), which renders the knife unusable in some instances. I believe the Manix is a natural fit for the crossbar and I would buy a sprint run of that.

Could you combine the best attributes of the CBBL and the crossbar and make it uniquely 'Spyderco'? Could there be a way to use a crossbar and a coil spring (in place of an omega spring) and have the strenth of the crossbar with the simplicity and reliability of the coil spring? Best of both worlds?

There are a lot of cool design opportunities in this thread, and I like where it is going.
 
Skywalker31 said:
Leafjumper was also available in K390.
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Not those two but I did buy a Lil' Temperance 3 thinking it was going to be an instant favorite.

Instant NO.

Loved the no wasted space from you hand to the blade edge, compression lock, pretty sure it's full steel liners, and it's K390... What's not to love???

Another massively THICK short bladed pocket knife. It's a CHONKER. It's even thick behind the edge. I don't hate it but I surely don't love it.
 
Maximumbob54 said:
Another massively THICK short bladed pocket knife. It's a CHONKER. It's even thick behind the edge. I don't hate it but I surely don't love it.
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Yeah, the 4mm/0.157” blade stock on the Lil Temp is more than I personally care for.

However, if you still want to try out the "handle forward" designs with the edge as close to the handle as possible -

- Leafjumper/Rockjumper are 3mm/0.118" thick blade stock
- Bodacious is 3.2mm/0.125" (thinner than the 3.7mm Shaman, and with more blade since the Bo doesn't have a choil!)


(sorry for thread drift...just spreading the handle-forward gospel. The Bodacious is amazing; needs to get more hype so we can start seeing sprints/exclusives.)
 
Maximumbob54 said:
Not those two but I did buy a Lil' Temperance 3 thinking it was going to be an instant favorite.

Instant NO.

Loved the no wasted space from you hand to the blade edge, compression lock, pretty sure it's full steel liners, and it's K390... What's not to love???

Another massively THICK short bladed pocket knife. It's a CHONKER. It's even thick behind the edge. I don't hate it but I surely don't love it.
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This knife is in my pocket right now, as my strongside carry.

I'm hard on knives, so I really appreciate the thickness and that was a selling point for me.

On a short (height-wise) blade, a thicker blade tapers very quickly and that geometry can be very difficult to work with, but at least on the LT3, the leaf shape is one of the tallest blades I've ever seen, so it allows for a slightly more gradual taper.

YMMV, but for me coming from the world of Cold Steel (my weak side carry is an 5+mm SR1 Lite), the LT3 with it's blade height is a laser beam haha.

(I do also have the LJ SE K390 so I also have something ultra slicey, its nice to have options).
 
Yo Mama said:
Springs and posts have snapped maybe not as often as omega springs but it happens. The post is plastic.

IMO omega springs very rarely break, think of how many hundreds of thousands of springs are out there but when you google you find like ten examples of them breaking.
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concur. have conservatively had well over 50+ bm's with axis over the years; including 710sbt and i've never encountered issue - and i've flicked the ever livin' sht out 'em... that stated, reckon i could fathom such in a corrosive/filthy environment along with neglect, or maybe a bad batch of springs somewhere along the line over span of couple decades.

can't say anything produced with a variant of such up to this point has held any interest, but would definitely take notice of a spydie go at it with military or pm2.
 
One of the things that this thread shows is the very diverse preferences of knife people. Each with their own reasons for liking or disliking certain features. That's why we try to offer so much variation in designs and materials. You wouldn't think, looking in from outside of the industry, that such strong opinions exist, but they for sure do.

sal
 
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