"That's not a knife."

you need to explain to them about steel quality. the way they open. I sell alot of smith and wession knifes for around $15.00 each. they keep comeing back with there friends to buy more of them. for the price you can not beat it. china has a lot of very good knifes with good steel for a good price. I sell a hell of lot of china knifes and these people that I am selling too have lots of money but they want the china one. I try to stear them in to the better knifes. I explain what the difference are between the knifes and they dont care.
 
viva la said:
And FWIW bigger and/or more expensive is not always better or the knife that is carried and used on a day to day basis..
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100% agree

viva la said:
I am a chef and know other chef's with 400-2000$ chefs knives. Those are not the ones that are used in the kitchen at work. The cheap $100 ones are.
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That's more to do with the work environment than the performance of the knife. In a "controlled" kitchen you'll find a lot of chefs using their more expensive blades because they know that no-one else will touch them

I just resharpened a couple of budget knives for one of the ex's. She had left them at work and when she went back there the others had used them as choppers. If that had been one of my knives there would have been blood and teeth on the floor of that kitchen - nobody touches any of my knives without my OK - budget or otherwise. My women I'm not as fussy about :D
 
philwar said:
Nah. The movie was fun, Linda Kozlowski was HOT, and Paul Hogan made it seem normal to carry 10" blades around. "Good guys carry knives," that sorta thing.
+1 for Crocodile Dundee and knife guys.
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What philwar said. Great pro knife movie, and probably the most memorable, and most quoted knife related movie scene ever!
 
Wow! I start what I thought would be a fun thread and I all I get is criticisim. I'm calling BS. A knife with dual scorpion tail blades with all the screws falling out is a POS. I don't own a sebenza and do own a opinel. Did someone make a comment about my penis? WTF? Watch your mouth.

Most people think that just because a knife looks like a spyderco that it is of similar build and qualtiy. I'm talking about helping people find better knives. And instead finding people that do the same it turns out everyone carries Chinese knock-offs all of a sudden. Oh well, continue to BS if you like.

Sometimes cheap crap equipment dosen't fail and break, but then your just stuck with that crap forever.
 
HotSwat said:
Wow! I start what I thought would be a fun thread and I all I get is criticisim. I'm calling BS. A knife with dual scorpion tail blades with all the screws falling out is a POS. I don't own a sebenza and do own a opinel. Did someone make a comment about my penis? WTF? Watch your mouth.

Most people think that just because a knife looks like a spyderco that it is of similar build and qualtiy. I'm talking about helping people find better knives. And instead finding people that do the same it turns out everyone carries Chinese knock-offs all of a sudden. Oh well, continue to BS if you like.

Sometimes cheap crap equipment dosen't fail and break, but then your just stuck with that crap forever.
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Ever hear of positive reinforcement?
 
HotSwat said:
Wow! I start what I thought would be a fun thread and I all I get is criticisim.
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Maybe because you're being a knife snob douche?

I EDC a several hundred dollar Busse, but I don't look down on people because they own "inferior" knives - I just appreciate that they are carrying a knife at all.
 
Oh yeah and to put my money where my mouth is, I have replaced my friends POS knives with my flashII, sog trident, BM monochrome, tenatious X3,griptilian, spyderco cricket, and a spyderco Goddard. When I got my 1st endura back in 95 I convinced a buncha guys to get them.
 
Ya, I think I'm with the folks that are happy that another person is at least into knives enough that they realize the value of a good tool. I'm a server for now while in school, and there was a cook I became friends with, he carried and used a "super knife" if that's what theyre called, the ones with interchangable razor-blades. I started showing him my different EDC's every day and explaining what I liked about each knife, and he became interested. I got him a Spyderco native at Wal-mart for christmas, and now he carries it every day. I don't think he would've respected my opinion if I told him that his super knife wasn't a knife.....kinda condescending IMHO. I think the whole positive reinforcement idea is a good one.

Oh, and I consider SOG folders total poop. just fyi :yawn: lol I couldn't resist!
 
I think there was some misunderstanding in this thread, I think the original poster had more to do with helping his friends yet alot of you here took it wrong. He made what he intended to be an informative yet entertaining comment to his buddies about their poorly made knives to either help them better appreciate knives or at least get them to think about it somewhere down the line, if they ended up doing neither then hey, it was just a joke! so don't get the shorts knotted!

and these knives ... a poorly made knife can actually cut quite a swath, until it doesn't or until it presents a safety issue which may or may not be obvious, so he tried to also assist them in the way of being safe. His "joke" may or may not have been intended to be directly understood, overall he seemed to be just trying to get them to think. Example if someone told me that's not a knife back before I knew much about knives I would think wtf is this guy saying?? but I would not quickly be insulted until I knew what the intended point really was, and maybe the OP has buds who will wait to find out what it is he is saying, before they get offended, ... it depends on the situation, how well you trust or know the person and how the point is being communicated, as in tone, setting, and so forth. In other words "The truth is not simply what you think it is, it is the circumstances under which it is said, to who, why and how it is said" [Vaclav Havel].

All that "being said" I do realize that one can take a comment as an insult, hopefully the one making the comment has the social acumen to make it clear at the time that no insult is being intended, of which acumen I do believe the OP does have, it just failed to be extrapolated as such in this thread by other forumites.

The verdict on the OP: NOT GUILTY, ...he is calling BS and quite rightly so and I support him in that 100%.
 
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I think there is a certain tact in how things can be said and worded. I think the wording of the original post was lacking tact, and I think there was also a lack of tact in some of the responses to that OP. This is a web forum...sometimes things go that way (who would have thought?)

Call BS all you like. OP asked a question and got an answer. It seems clear that very few others (so far) handle the situation the way the original post sounds...I fail to see how that is BS. Name calling and manhood questioning?...IDK that just seems to follow suit when someone feels insulted....see how it works? I do not make the rules, it is just the way of things.

Again try to realize how YOU would feel if someone looked at your knife and stated, "that is not a knife" (in any tone you like) and failed to mask their thoughts that your knife was a POS. Perhaps you are great at hiding those thoughts, but you made little effort in the wording of your original.
 
HotSwat said:
Wow! I start what I thought would be a fun thread and I all I get is criticisim. I'm calling BS. A knife with dual scorpion tail blades with all the screws falling out is a POS. I don't own a sebenza and do own a opinel. Did someone make a comment about my penis? WTF? Watch your mouth.

Most people think that just because a knife looks like a spyderco that it is of similar build and qualtiy. I'm talking about helping people find better knives. And instead finding people that do the same it turns out everyone carries Chinese knock-offs all of a sudden. Oh well, continue to BS if you like.

Sometimes cheap crap equipment dosen't fail and break, but then your just stuck with that crap forever.
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Wow. Somebody can dish it out but cant take it. Did it even possibly begin to enter your mind that your friends think YOU are full of BS?

Somehow I doubt it.
 
BTW...that "tenatious" you talk about?

1) You don't know how its spelled
2) Its made in China
 
Let me preface by saying: I like flea markets. I have friends who sell Frost Cutlery knives.

Now...

Even when a guy I worked with tried forcing a Frost Cutlery something or other on me (that was plastic and some kind of metal) I just smiled and nodded, commented on how nice it looked, and declined to take it.

"It's nice, but it's not my type," I said and handed it back. He got the point: I didn't like it. I didn't comment on the cheaper construction, the fit and finish, the blahty-blahty-blah. I could have acted like a douche, or a snob and went on about the virtues about knives I've never carried; harped about how much I just adore my Victorniox SAK's...instead I remembered that taste is subjective and declined as politely as possible.

If friend shows me a less than desireable knife, say an M-tech, as such has happened -- a friend showed me some kind of M-Tech set he got at Magic Mart, it wasn't a Rat Cutlery outfit and wouldn't do anything for me except sit in my closet. But, for him it was the bees knees. I understand they are looking for approval of some sort, but that they might appreciate a finer quality knife.

"These are neat, I like the way they did [x feature]" I say, "But, if you like these check out [insert brand here]. You'll get a kick out of them."

Usually they will actually check out the place I tell them, then come back with: "You actually paid a hundred bucks for a knife? Are you crazy?"

Then we can have the discussion about quality and price, comparing the M-Tech to a Spyderco or Al Mar.

Tact, sir. Tact. More flies with honey.
 
I'm just not generally a fan of criticizing things others have worked for, and are proud of.

If it serves their purposes then I'm glad they have it and like it...
 
ZippoThisKnifeThat said:
Short and Sweet.

"wow you have a knife on you!? That's great! If you are interested there is this website www.bladeforums.com and you can......."

Then again would it be right to pressure someone into such an addiction? ;]
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That is an excellent idea, Zippo!

HotSwat...you should have the friends that you "educated" join and read this thread!

They'll probably laugh their *sses off.
 
HotSwat said:
It seems to happen to me more and more lately. I'll catch one of my buddies using a knife or I'll spot a pocket clip and check out their knife. It is usually a chinese POS or a Mtech. After I give them back their crappy blade I give them the Crocodile Dundee and say " That not a knife.", I'll whip out some huge benchmade or my new XL voyager and say "Now that's a knife!". Then I'll teach them how to spot a quality knife.

Am I the only one that does this?
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This is saying that you spent more money on your knife and you are just rubbing it in. Frankly, I know a good knife when I see one but I'd rather have my buds carrying any knife than no knife. I'm always carrying two on me, two Spyders, one Bench one Spyder, whatever. But I get pumped seeing my friends carry a knife because they usually don't. I'm the same way, I'd much rather have a cheap China folder than no knife at all.

Constantly critiquing friends purchases may leave you with no friends at all. I might show them my knives and tell them why I like them, but I'd never tell them their stuff is garbage (even if it is ;)).
 
Most of my friends carry knock offs. I often sharpen their knives. They know I carry decent quality knives but at the moment they are not at all interested in buying quality knives(read more expensive) because they don't even use them enough to matter. They carry knives because they see me carrying knives. Sometimes they ask to see one of mine and some they are more interested in. I know they are considering buying better ones but there are no stores that sell decent quality knives here. We have to get them online. This is another concern that I have to address but I'm happy that they are at least interested enough to handle my knives and ask questions which I'm very glad to answer. These are all sober professional adults who will make up their own minds in their own time.
 
I would criticize the OP for not giving enough background on his point though. Me I would say something like that's not a knife only to a very good friend.

So OP, ...were these very close friends of yours?
 
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