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There's bad blood between GymJones and CrossFit.
CrossFit was there first. Mark Twight, who started GymJones, ran GymJones as a CrossFit affiliate for a while, after having been simply floored by how well CrossFit training worked. He was a rather high profile person in the CrossFit stable for a while, writing articles periodically for the CrossFit journal, teaching at CrossFit certifications etc.
Then Twight had a major falling out with the CrossFit head coach. Allegations have gone back and forth, and I dunno who's right.
But yeah, essentially GymJones' workouts are CrossFit. They're much more "cult-ish," as Twight has developed GymJones as a by-invitation-only elite training place. He's written extensively on his website how he's really not interested in training ordinary folks, just surrounding himself with a community of very high achievers.
Very effective workouts, but to my mind, very oppressive atmosphere. CrossFit is a much more open-source community, welcoming people of all levels ... though heavily stocked with real monsters. And it's fairly hard-core politically, which doesn't suit everyone.
But the physical training results? Stunning.
CrossFit was there first. Mark Twight, who started GymJones, ran GymJones as a CrossFit affiliate for a while, after having been simply floored by how well CrossFit training worked. He was a rather high profile person in the CrossFit stable for a while, writing articles periodically for the CrossFit journal, teaching at CrossFit certifications etc.
Then Twight had a major falling out with the CrossFit head coach. Allegations have gone back and forth, and I dunno who's right.
But yeah, essentially GymJones' workouts are CrossFit. They're much more "cult-ish," as Twight has developed GymJones as a by-invitation-only elite training place. He's written extensively on his website how he's really not interested in training ordinary folks, just surrounding himself with a community of very high achievers.
Very effective workouts, but to my mind, very oppressive atmosphere. CrossFit is a much more open-source community, welcoming people of all levels ... though heavily stocked with real monsters. And it's fairly hard-core politically, which doesn't suit everyone.
But the physical training results? Stunning.
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TomFetter
What can you tell us about your CrossFit workouts? Do you have a schedule or a specific regimine you follow? I took a look at crossfits website, lots of video, not good for my connection. I would be interested in some text or pictorial descriptions of the workouts/schedules. Thanks.
300 - Awesome! There is a reason why, 2500 years after this happened, we still tell the story!
What can you tell us about your CrossFit workouts? Do you have a schedule or a specific regimine you follow? I took a look at crossfits website, lots of video, not good for my connection. I would be interested in some text or pictorial descriptions of the workouts/schedules. Thanks.
300 - Awesome! There is a reason why, 2500 years after this happened, we still tell the story!
Hmmm. One easy way to get an idea ... the CrossFit website posts a "workout of the Day" on their website. Lots of us follow what's prescribed there, scaled up (or most often down) to our ability. A workout can combine elements of powerlifting, olympic weightlifting, gymnastics, running, rowing, etc. etc.
For instance, last week one workout was:
40 L-pullups (legs raised to make an L with torso)
800m run
40 dead-hang pullups
800m run
40 kipping pullups (using body-motion assist)
800m run
Another day, it was:
50 dips
400m run
50 pushups
400m run
50 handstand pushups (supported, not free-standing)
Each of those workouts, we were to post the time it took.
Tonight, I'll be doing one I missed the other day:
21 reps "clean" with 135# barbell (olympic movement)
21 reps ring dips
15 reps "clean
15 reps ring dips
9 reps "clean"
9 reps ring dips
We're to post the time for that one also.
Yesterday, we were to do our maximum weight for an olympic "snatch" lift seven times (interspersed with rest). Another day, we did a circuit with rowing, box jumps, pullups, barbell thrusters (combined front squat and push-press), kettlebell swings.
Most days, we're to do a pretty strength-intensive warmup - 10-15 reps of bodyweight squat, dips, pullups, situps, back extensions ... three times. That's the warmup. On days where there are lots of pullups or dips, we sub them in the warmup for something else.
I've learned to do better front and back squats, overhead squats, deadlifts, clean and jerk, knee-to-elbow swings on a bar, handstand pushups, ring dips etc. Couldn't do most of it before ... am starting to be able to do more and more of it without scaling.
It's intended to work you very hard, working for time so that your heart rate reaches in the 160-180 range for 20-30 minutes. So it trains cardiovascular and muscle systems at the same time - very efficient.
I've gone from doing maybe 3 sets of 5 dips (back in May) to being able to sweat out 100 dips, in lots of broken sets. 3 sets of 7-8 pullups, to 120 pullups and 3 X 800m runs within 35 minutes. I've dropped a bunch of bodyfat, but kept the same weight as my muscles responded.
I've never worked so hard at anything physical, nor have I ever felt this good. Though to be perfectly honest, the first couple of weeks were simply gut-wrenchingly brutal.
t.
For instance, last week one workout was:
40 L-pullups (legs raised to make an L with torso)
800m run
40 dead-hang pullups
800m run
40 kipping pullups (using body-motion assist)
800m run
Another day, it was:
50 dips
400m run
50 pushups
400m run
50 handstand pushups (supported, not free-standing)
Each of those workouts, we were to post the time it took.
Tonight, I'll be doing one I missed the other day:
21 reps "clean" with 135# barbell (olympic movement)
21 reps ring dips
15 reps "clean
15 reps ring dips
9 reps "clean"
9 reps ring dips
We're to post the time for that one also.
Yesterday, we were to do our maximum weight for an olympic "snatch" lift seven times (interspersed with rest). Another day, we did a circuit with rowing, box jumps, pullups, barbell thrusters (combined front squat and push-press), kettlebell swings.
Most days, we're to do a pretty strength-intensive warmup - 10-15 reps of bodyweight squat, dips, pullups, situps, back extensions ... three times. That's the warmup. On days where there are lots of pullups or dips, we sub them in the warmup for something else.
I've learned to do better front and back squats, overhead squats, deadlifts, clean and jerk, knee-to-elbow swings on a bar, handstand pushups, ring dips etc. Couldn't do most of it before ... am starting to be able to do more and more of it without scaling.
It's intended to work you very hard, working for time so that your heart rate reaches in the 160-180 range for 20-30 minutes. So it trains cardiovascular and muscle systems at the same time - very efficient.
I've gone from doing maybe 3 sets of 5 dips (back in May) to being able to sweat out 100 dips, in lots of broken sets. 3 sets of 7-8 pullups, to 120 pullups and 3 X 800m runs within 35 minutes. I've dropped a bunch of bodyfat, but kept the same weight as my muscles responded.
I've never worked so hard at anything physical, nor have I ever felt this good. Though to be perfectly honest, the first couple of weeks were simply gut-wrenchingly brutal.
t.
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There's no way I could even begin to attempt a full blown physical workout in my present shape,
but I *am* getting better and surprisingly quick too.
I'm not so sure that I'm anywhere near being a masochist but each and every day I'm beginning to be more and more sure that my dear wife Barbie was a closet sadist and is now blooming more and more each and every day to becoming a full blown open and enthusiastic *SADIST* as she guides and helps me to do my assigned rehab exercises!!!! 
But I am grateful for her doing so and giving me the encouragement to carry on and finally realizing what Tsimi meant all this time when he said, "It's only pain!"
But then on the other hand maybe I have been a closet masochist all these years as I keep repeating the mantra, "It's only pain, it's only pain, it's only pain" and finding that after experiencing quite enough pain that it actually starts to feel good but maybe it's only the endorphins kicking in in greater amounts.
Gotta love them endorphins!:thumbup:
Have no idea of when we'll see The 300, probably when it comes out on TV. HEE
Yvsa,
First, I haven't yet responded to the threads about your health. Sorry, good sir - I've been preoccupied. I'm really pleased to hear that the rehab is coming along, and hope that you and Barbie are still on speaking terms once the rehab's more complete As my kids have found out to their desperation, acting as a coach does have a way of bringing out our inner Nazi.
Second, once you've got your body back to essentially functional order, you and others might want to check out www.simplefit.org.EDIT - Tom, I edited the URL to .org not .com One of the CrossFit people designed that site as sort-of a starting-out site for people who for whatever reason can't do a full-blown workout, but want to get things underway. It uses the same CrossFit methodology of training your muscles hard enough to train your heart/lungs at the same time - and the only piece of equipment you'd need would be somewhere to do pullups. I sometimes go (in off-hours) to the local park, and use the monkey bars.
CrossFit is very intense for the fire-breather elite guys, but is also very scalable - on the website, they've got good video demonstrations of folks of all ages and fitness levels doing appropriate variations of the same movements.
Essentially, they focus on functional movement - stuff we all do in our everyday lives. Everyone needs to be able to squat safely, because we all get up out of chairs, or off the toilet. Everyone needs to be able to pick up a moderately heavy object from the floor (grandchild, suitcase, sack of potatos), and sometimes put it somewhere high. The functional movement gurus tell us that we get better at what we practise ... so we might as well practise the stuff we need to do in daily life.
This contrasts sharply with, say, bodybuilding. When in real life do you put a weight on your elbows and pull them up, working your shoulders? When in real life do you hold your body rigid, lean over, and extend your tricep while holding a weight? Bodybuilding is very effective at building muscles for display, but nothing like so good at building a functional body for use. For that, you need the big, multiple-joint movements like the squat, deadlift, shoulder press, pullup, and dip ... that are really the movements that combine in different ways to give the motions used in daily life or sports.
A CrossFit body doesn't look like a bodybuilder's body. In fact, the aesthetics are very secondary (unless you want to act in The 300). A well-trained CrossFitter, in contrast, looks like a capable athlete - a combination of 800m runner, gymnast, and weightlifter. Most of the men are about 165-185 pounds, with some of the tall guys obviously going heavier than that. But there are guys this size and my age (45) doing 5:30 miles, and deadlifting 400 pounds, and ripping away 35-40 pullups without a break, and lifting their bodyweight over their head in a snatch or overhead squat. The women, frankly, are gorgeous. They look like real people (not bodybuilders!), but oh my. Don't tell my wife I said that. But the looks thing is secondary - the focus is on performance. Measuring performance, and improving what you can do.
I'm far from the high level of physical performance of some of the folks - see me in a year or two. But it is instructive that various parts of the US and Canadian militaries are increasingly moving to Crossfit for their official PT. A major CrossFit certification happened at the military base just outside where I live; three such certs will have happened, training Canadian Forces trainers, before the year's out. And on the CrossFit website, there's a lot of talk by US forces people too - Marines, SEALS, various folks serving overseas - who are doing this because it prepares them for what they need to do, better than anything else they'd tried.
Anyway - I'm sounding too much like a disciple. I got started in this because my daughter, who's a rower, asked me to help find something effective for off-season training for her. As I write this, she's off at the Royal Canadian Henley Regatta, competing in what amounts to the North American rowing championships. Boats from all over the US and Canada. There's no way that she could have qualified last year ... she was at essentially the bottom of the club's performance ladder, and was embarassed.
Not anymore.
t
First, I haven't yet responded to the threads about your health. Sorry, good sir - I've been preoccupied. I'm really pleased to hear that the rehab is coming along, and hope that you and Barbie are still on speaking terms once the rehab's more complete
As my kids have found out to their desperation, acting as a coach does have a way of bringing out our inner Nazi.Second, once you've got your body back to essentially functional order, you and others might want to check out www.simplefit.org.EDIT - Tom, I edited the URL to .org not .com One of the CrossFit people designed that site as sort-of a starting-out site for people who for whatever reason can't do a full-blown workout, but want to get things underway. It uses the same CrossFit methodology of training your muscles hard enough to train your heart/lungs at the same time - and the only piece of equipment you'd need would be somewhere to do pullups. I sometimes go (in off-hours) to the local park, and use the monkey bars.
CrossFit is very intense for the fire-breather elite guys, but is also very scalable - on the website, they've got good video demonstrations of folks of all ages and fitness levels doing appropriate variations of the same movements.
Essentially, they focus on functional movement - stuff we all do in our everyday lives. Everyone needs to be able to squat safely, because we all get up out of chairs, or off the toilet. Everyone needs to be able to pick up a moderately heavy object from the floor (grandchild, suitcase, sack of potatos), and sometimes put it somewhere high. The functional movement gurus tell us that we get better at what we practise ... so we might as well practise the stuff we need to do in daily life.
This contrasts sharply with, say, bodybuilding. When in real life do you put a weight on your elbows and pull them up, working your shoulders? When in real life do you hold your body rigid, lean over, and extend your tricep while holding a weight? Bodybuilding is very effective at building muscles for display, but nothing like so good at building a functional body for use. For that, you need the big, multiple-joint movements like the squat, deadlift, shoulder press, pullup, and dip ... that are really the movements that combine in different ways to give the motions used in daily life or sports.
A CrossFit body doesn't look like a bodybuilder's body. In fact, the aesthetics are very secondary (unless you want to act in The 300). A well-trained CrossFitter, in contrast, looks like a capable athlete - a combination of 800m runner, gymnast, and weightlifter. Most of the men are about 165-185 pounds, with some of the tall guys obviously going heavier than that. But there are guys this size and my age (45) doing 5:30 miles, and deadlifting 400 pounds, and ripping away 35-40 pullups without a break, and lifting their bodyweight over their head in a snatch or overhead squat. The women, frankly, are gorgeous. They look like real people (not bodybuilders!), but oh my. Don't tell my wife I said that. But the looks thing is secondary - the focus is on performance. Measuring performance, and improving what you can do.
I'm far from the high level of physical performance of some of the folks - see me in a year or two. But it is instructive that various parts of the US and Canadian militaries are increasingly moving to Crossfit for their official PT. A major CrossFit certification happened at the military base just outside where I live; three such certs will have happened, training Canadian Forces trainers, before the year's out. And on the CrossFit website, there's a lot of talk by US forces people too - Marines, SEALS, various folks serving overseas - who are doing this because it prepares them for what they need to do, better than anything else they'd tried.
Anyway - I'm sounding too much like a disciple. I got started in this because my daughter, who's a rower, asked me to help find something effective for off-season training for her. As I write this, she's off at the Royal Canadian Henley Regatta, competing in what amounts to the North American rowing championships. Boats from all over the US and Canada. There's no way that she could have qualified last year ... she was at essentially the bottom of the club's performance ladder, and was embarassed.
Not anymore.
t
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There's no way I could even begin to attempt a full blown physical workout in my present shape,
Can we assume by your increased frequency of posts that your arms are feeling better? :thumbup:
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Thanks, but not really C.S. Right now I am in one helluva shape and if I fall and manage to get all the way to the floor I'm pretty much toast unless there is someone around to help me get up.
Actually I was getting ready to start a new thread as soon as I finished reading the forum.
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Tom I forgot to tell you thanks for the heads up on Simplefit so many thanks.
I've bookmarked the link from Ted's edit and will check it out to see if it's possible for me to do them.:thumbup:
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Thanks, but not really C.S. Right now I am in one helluva shape and if I fall and manage to get all the way to the floor I'm pretty much toast unless there is someone around to help me get up.
Actually I was getting ready to start a new thread as soon as I finished reading the forum.
Sorry to hear it, ol' chap, but maybe in the months to come that will ease up. Knock on wood!