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The 38 inch BirGorkha Janawar Katne. Pix.
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Unbelieveable.
Yet this is one of the biggest balanced looking khukuris I have seen. Would love to see how this one does at the wood pile. A definite "Cliff" piece.
Harry
Yet this is one of the biggest balanced looking khukuris I have seen. Would love to see how this one does at the wood pile. A definite "Cliff" piece.
Harry
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Bro I know some other khukuris like the GRS has been used for the animal sacrifice or Puja on an animal like a goat, but how accurately does this one portray the Janawar Katne that's used in Nepal for say a full grown water buffalo, that is if a full grown one is ever offered for Puja?
And is it true or not, that like one company says, only one of these used to be or is issued per regiment?
I have often wondered if a full grown water buffalo was or ever has been offered as all that we've seen have been the smaller calves.
And if so then I marvel at the power one of these khukuris has.
Using something like this on a human for execution is definitely overkill, no pun intended.
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Bro I know some other khukuris like the GRS has been used for the animal sacrifice or Puja on an animal like a goat, but how accurately does this one portray the Janawar Katne that's used in Nepal for say a full grown water buffalo, that is if a full grown one is ever offered for Puja?
And is it true or not, that like one company says, only one of these used to be or is issued per regiment?
I have often wondered if a full grown water buffalo was or ever has been offered as all that we've seen have been the smaller calves.
And if so then I marvel at the power one of these khukuris has.
Using something like this on a human for execution is definitely overkill, no pun intended.
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That would be a heck of a wall hanger, if it's a sturdy wall! It sure is a beauty. Looks like Durba going to be pretty successful if he can keep his work up to these standards.
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Bro, I have never seen a khukuri this size used during kali puja nor have I ever seen a full sized water buffalo sacrificed.
It is my understanding that kali puja is not done any longer in the British Army -- becoming more politically correct a melon is "sacrificed" instead of an animal. In the Indian Army if they want to make sure of the kill they use a kora rather than a khukuri.
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It is my understanding that kali puja is not done any longer in the British Army -- becoming more politically correct a melon is "sacrificed" instead of an animal. In the Indian Army if they want to make sure of the kill they use a kora rather than a khukuri.
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Interesting. Are the kora used old ones or are they still being made sometimes in India like they are in Nepal?
And it's a dayumed shame that the word is/has became so political correct that ancient customs aren't observed anymore.
One of these days the bull fights of Spain and Mexico will probably be gone forever as well.
BUT just let those folks come into Oklahoma and try to take away the Game Chicken Fights!!!!
That's been a recent issue here and the ones who raise game chickens are up in arms!!!
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Indin word for lousy hunter.
Interesting. Are the kora used old ones or are they still being made sometimes in India like they are in Nepal?
And it's a dayumed shame that the word is/has became so political correct that ancient customs aren't observed anymore.
One of these days the bull fights of Spain and Mexico will probably be gone forever as well.
BUT just let those folks come into Oklahoma and try to take away the Game Chicken Fights!!!!
That's been a recent issue here and the ones who raise game chickens are up in arms!!!
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Indin word for lousy hunter.
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Bro, I think the koras that are used in kali puja in the Indian Army have been around for awhile. Sonam sent me some nice pix of kali puja taken of his Dad's regiment and a kora was used on the buff. It looked to be not a new issue.
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Did you get a chance to measure blade thickness? Does it balance the same as an Ang Khola or WWII? Is it strong enough for use?
The price is excellent, especially if 2 kardas or supplied instead of a karda and chakma.
2 karda's = two 12" khukuri ~ $100
1 big khukuri ~ $365-$200 =$165
Maybe next year.
Will
The price is excellent, especially if 2 kardas or supplied instead of a karda and chakma.
2 karda's = two 12" khukuri ~ $100
1 big khukuri ~ $365-$200 =$165
Maybe next year.
Will
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Will, the blade is definitely strong enough for very, very heavy use. I didn't measure the thickness but guess it to be easily more than 1/2 inch. 9 pounds is a hefty khukuri.
And you are right about the karda. I actually liked it better than the big blade.
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And you are right about the karda. I actually liked it better than the big blade.
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Dear "rkenny",
Actually, I am very tempted, but that handle is really too big for me. To be honest, anything much bigger than 3 1/2 inches in circumference is to large for me to control. Add to that the weight, and I just looking to cut something important off my body!!
Makes me wish I were a little bigger, though!
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Watakushi Wa Shinajin Desu
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Actually, I am very tempted, but that handle is really too big for me. To be honest, anything much bigger than 3 1/2 inches in circumference is to large for me to control. Add to that the weight, and I just looking to cut something important off my body!!
Makes me wish I were a little bigger, though!
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Watakushi Wa Shinajin Desu
DeathDancer
Yvsa, Uncle Bill, I have seen khukuris such as this one used for sacrifices. Uncle Bill, the photos I sent you are of the Dashera celebrations in 2/1GR. But in another Gorkha battalion, 4/1GR, in which Dad served throughout until getting promoted to Col. and sent to command 2/1GR, I remember seeing giant khukuris being used for the sacrifices.
As for only one such khukuri being issued per unit, I really dont know, but I do remember as a kid seeing several big khukuris of various sizes being kept on tables and the persons doing the sacrifices (there were several melons, chickens, a goat per company, and two buffaloes for the battalion, one at midnight and one the next midday) coming over and choosing and picking from among those.
The guy taking care of the buffalo would walk over to the main sacrificial area with the giant khukuri cradled on his right side. If I remember correctly, the khukuri sometimes used to be wrapped in white cloth. The man would have his arm straight at his side, cradling the butt of the khukuri on his upturned palm, with the edge facing forward and the tip reaching his ear or beyond. Once priests completed the rituals, and the buffalo was properly fixed to the post, the man would unwrap the khukuri, with a two-handed grip take a couple of slow swings on the animals neck, and then come crashing down
As for full-grown adult buffaloes, there was always talk of the old days when that used to be the norm, but the reasoning for smaller-sized buffaloes today was that one could not take chances with such an important ritual, so rather than run the risk of botching something with a big animal, play it safe by sticking with a smaller animal easier to dispatch in one single blow, and everybody goes away happy
- Sonam
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As for only one such khukuri being issued per unit, I really dont know, but I do remember as a kid seeing several big khukuris of various sizes being kept on tables and the persons doing the sacrifices (there were several melons, chickens, a goat per company, and two buffaloes for the battalion, one at midnight and one the next midday) coming over and choosing and picking from among those.
The guy taking care of the buffalo would walk over to the main sacrificial area with the giant khukuri cradled on his right side. If I remember correctly, the khukuri sometimes used to be wrapped in white cloth. The man would have his arm straight at his side, cradling the butt of the khukuri on his upturned palm, with the edge facing forward and the tip reaching his ear or beyond. Once priests completed the rituals, and the buffalo was properly fixed to the post, the man would unwrap the khukuri, with a two-handed grip take a couple of slow swings on the animals neck, and then come crashing down
As for full-grown adult buffaloes, there was always talk of the old days when that used to be the norm, but the reasoning for smaller-sized buffaloes today was that one could not take chances with such an important ritual, so rather than run the risk of botching something with a big animal, play it safe by sticking with a smaller animal easier to dispatch in one single blow, and everybody goes away happy
- Sonam
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Thanks Sonam!!!!
That confirms what I've been told and read about in different places.
And it's understandable that some othe Ceremonies have changed to the use of smaller animals and even melons for Kali Puja.
Many of our ( American Indin) Ceremonies have changed over the years as well.
It is recognized by our Elders that we as ndns are not as strong as we once were physically.
It has been said many times that the first Sweatlodges were attended by only the Holy Men of the tribes and that thre were rawhide laces tied around their legs to pull them from the Lodge should they happen to die in the Ceremony. The Sweatlodge was considered to Sacred for an average person to enter.
Times have and are continuing to change all over the world.
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Thanks Sonam!!!!
That confirms what I've been told and read about in different places.
And it's understandable that some othe Ceremonies have changed to the use of smaller animals and even melons for Kali Puja.
Many of our ( American Indin) Ceremonies have changed over the years as well.
It is recognized by our Elders that we as ndns are not as strong as we once were physically.
It has been said many times that the first Sweatlodges were attended by only the Holy Men of the tribes and that thre were rawhide laces tied around their legs to pull them from the Lodge should they happen to die in the Ceremony. The Sweatlodge was considered to Sacred for an average person to enter.
Times have and are continuing to change all over the world.
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Thanks for on the scene report, Bhanis, and good input based on first hand experience. All the kali pujas I've attended were in Nepal and goats and chickens were the main fare with an occasional small buff when the group was large.
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