The ASP baton! 3" 5" or 7" knives.

Allen; here is a description of the certification course.

ASP Baton Certification :

Covers both theory and practical hands-on application training in use of the ASP expandable police baton. Meets all requirements for basic two-year certification as prescribed by Armament Systems and Procedures, Inc. Includes intensive repetitive physical exercises and proficiency testing.

ASP Baton Re-Certification:

Provides recertification status for officers who have previously completed the ASP Baton Certification Course. Includes review of impact weapon theory, updated information on liability issues and required proficiency testing.


Hope this helps.

Regards,
Joe
 
I own a couple of ASPs, but I don't carry them, because I usually have a walking stick. I don't trust the ASP to lock open, and one of the more effective uses of the stick is the jab. Don't want one collapsing on me. Having said that, the intimidation factor of extending an ASP is good. Another consideration is the legal ramifications. DO NOT hit anyone in the head. An assailant can be taken out in other ways. In Colorado it's illegal to carry a 'bludgeon'. Well, what's a 'bludgeon'?
I was going to order a mace from Museum Replicas, http://www.museumreplicas.com, a great company. 'Well, I just used 'Mace'!...
 
If you hit someone in the head with an ASP, you might as well have shot them, the effect will be about the same.
 
Yes, ASP does run a "certification" course. Anyone who has been trained with a standard baton would(should?) be on firm ground, as the extended ASP is essentally the same.
The best way to ensure it locks open firmly is as follows: hold ASP in a full-fist grip, with the ball shaped head toward the ground. Use a hammer swing motion to extend it down and out, pulling up at the last instant of extension "in reverse". This is executed the same way many of us open a linerlock with an inertial, flick-of-the-wrist motion. It ensures the firm seating of the "deadlock tapered" tubes.
Done properly, you should be able to execute full-on jabs to a SOFT target(BG's body)w/o fear of collapse. One or two hard strikes against a hard floor should be needed to break the friction locks and close the baton. Using a standard grip, and swinging it open almost guarantees a poor lock-up and performance.
 
thanks for the posts. as for hitting someone on the hit, i don't intend to do that anymore than any of you would want to stab someone in the head with a knife.. as for legal talk, i've been through that before.. im trying to make a decision, so i'd like to hear views about what to carry... some posts earlier claim the baton is useless, it wont stop attackers etc. yet many of you say a hit on the head would kill someone (sounds like great stopping power to me) then there's the reach... 21" or so is pretty good to put between you and an attacker.. as for asp breaking, according to asp:

"under laboratory conditions asp batons withstand over 9,000 pounds (4.5 tons) of stress and remain functional.. so i would say it wont break that easy...

the airweight version offers a 45% weight reduction with 98% of the striking potential of steel, yet they don't recommend it to officers, why?? who cares about 2% if it's 45% easier to carry..

how about this scenario:

thug pulls a knife, you pull a asp. is that better than:

thug pulls a knife, you pull a knife ?

regards
 
You will have definite legal problems if you injure someone with a baton. Someone could even submit a b.s. soft tissue damage suit and auto insurance will not come to your rescue.

If he pulls a knife, try running first. If you can't run, pull out the baton.
 
"how about this scenario:

thug pulls a knife, you pull a asp. is that better than:

thug pulls a knife, you pull a knife ?"

It doesnt't work like that. No disrespect intended but, this isn't a Nintendo game. ASP attack value - 90%; Knife attack value - 70%.

There are an infinite number of circumstances which will determine the outcome.

Additionally, I fail to see how the legal aspect can be left out of this. In the vast majority of states it is ILLEGAL TO CARRY a collaspable baton.

I have an ASP baton and would love to leave it in my coat pocket or center console. But why risk a fine, permanant record, and/or jail time when a can legally carry a <4" single edged folding knive?
 
well obviously there's no legal aspect, or i would have mentioned it... wether it's illegal for you to carry it in YOUR state isn't really interesting for ME to know... and when shopping knives, batons or anything else... i care wether it's legal where *I* live since im shopping for myself

so the question remains..
 
Just ask yourself this: What would you rather face, the Asp or the knife?

There's your answer.

[This message has been edited by Steve Harvey (edited 07-24-2000).]
 
Carry both an ASP and a knife.
And if your jurisdiction allows, apply for a concealed carry permit for a pistol as well.
 
CHARIOT said:

"well obviously there's no legal aspect, or i would have mentioned it... wether it's
illegal for you to carry it in YOUR state isn't really interesting for ME to know... and
when shopping knives, batons or anything else... i care wether it's legal where *I*
live since im shopping for myself

so the question remains.."

WHERE DO YOU live CHARIOT????????
 
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