The Assassination......

Oct 3, 1998
I have seen posts around the forums and I beleive Rec.Knives on Biblical examples of weapons and tactics. Just wanted to convey on of my favorites.

Judges 3:15 - 31 has it all for the use of cold steel. Ehud slays King Eglon, who is a BG. The assassination has many great points.
1) Ehud had training. Verse 15
2) Ehud had cunning. Being left-handed his cross draw put the weapon where they were not used to looking, on his right side. Verse 15
3) Ehud had a custom made unmarked weapon. Verse 16
4) Ehud had a capable weapon (a cubit is about a forearm) covered and concealed. Verse 16
5) Ehud had a diversion. Verse 17-20
6) Ehud had the presence of mind for the job, he ran into a problem (as always!). Verse 21-22
7) Ehud had an escape route. Verse 23-26
8) Ehud had powerful connections. Verse 15 and 27
9) Ehud had tactically minded friends. Verse 28-29
10) Ehud had success. Verse 30
11) Ehud had shared his knowledge...........enter the mighty Shamgar. Verse 31

It doesn't get much better than this!
But when the children of Israel cried unto the LORD, the LORD raised them up a deliverer, Ehud the son of Gera, a Benjamite, a man lefthanded: and by him the children of Israel sent a present unto Eglon the king of Moab.
But Ehud made him a dagger which had two edges, of a cubit length; and he did gird it under his raiment upon his right thigh.
And he brought the present unto Eglon king of Moab: and Eglon was a very fat man.
And when he had made an end to offer the present, he sent away the people that bare the present.
But he himself turned again from the quarries that were by Gilgal, and said, I have a secret errand unto thee, O king: who said, Keep silence. And all that stood by him went out from him.
And Ehud came unto him; and he was sitting in a summer parlour, which he had for himself alone. And Ehud said, I have a message from God unto thee. And he arose out of his seat.
And Ehud put forth his left hand, and took the dagger from his right thigh, and thrust it into his belly:
And the haft also went in after the blade; and the fat closed upon the blade, so that he could not draw the dagger out of his belly; and the dirt came out.
Then Ehud went forth through the porch, and shut the doors of the parlour upon him, and locked them.
When he was gone out, his servants came; and when they saw that, behold, the doors of the parlour were locked, they said, Surely he covereth his feet in his summer chamber.
And they tarried till they were ashamed: and, behold, he opened not the doors of the parlour; therefore they took a key, and opened them: and, behold, their lord was fallen down dead on the earth.
And Ehud escaped while they tarried, and passed beyond the quarries, and escaped unto Seirath.
And it came to pass, when he was come, that he blew a trumpet in the mountain of Ephraim, and the children of Israel went down with him from the mount, and he before them.
And he said unto them, Follow after me: for the LORD hath delivered your enemies the Moabites into your hand. And they went down after him, and took the fords of Jordan toward Moab, and suffered not a man to pass over.
And they slew of Moab at that time about ten thousand men, all lusty, and all men of valour; and there escaped not a man.
So Moab was subdued that day under the hand of Israel. And the land had rest fourscore years.
And after him was Shamgar the son of Anath, which slew of the Philistines six hundred men with an ox goad: and he also delivered Israel.


[This message has been edited by RadarMan (edited 01 December 1998).]
The Book of Judges has a lot of gory stories in it, and and probably needs a disclaimer in front, something like
These deeds were done by professional barbarians. Do not try them at home!"

Immediately after the incident with the large king and the custom dagger, we have the ignominious demise of Caananite Field Marshal Sisera. Ya'el (Jael), the lady with the tent peg, is the only woman in the Hebrew Bible (Judith is in the Apocrypha) who kills a man by her own hand.


In Gen 34, Jacob's 2 sons Simeon and Levi wipe out a whole tribe of males for raping their sister. How? The guy who did it was sorry and wanted to marry her, but he was not a Jew. The brothers said if the whole tribe became circumcized, they would allow it. So the whole tribe was circumsized (as adults) and while they were...indisposed...they were killed. How's that for tactical advantage!
This thread could easily drift far from cutlery.

For serious reading and long thoughts on the subject of gory Bible stories, perhaps to discuss in the religion forum of your choice elsewhere on the Net, here's a link to, titles under the subject category of "Violence in the Bible."

I've read [bold]The Harlot by the Side of the Road: Forbidden taled of the Bible[/bold] by Jonathan Kirsch - very interesting, and good for some serious arguments, in some other forum of course.

This link to my attempt to deal with some of the "hard stuff" in the Good Book - - has no knife content, and people of another faith or another faction of mine might take issue with it, off of this forum of course.

Anything that can do work can do damage, from sharp steel to the holy book of some major religion. Wielding the latter with skill and malice, one can start a war.

And maybe we should look to the old warning against talking religion and politics with company (but religion and politics are so [bold]interesting[/bold]!) and keep this thread confined to cutlery-related stories from holy writ, as opposed to violence other awful things in general, avoid the appearance of bible-bashing or religion bashing, lest we end up with a heated argument between believers and unbelievers that would have to be zapped for the sake of peace.


Chill out..........
50% of these post are yours and things are going nicely, it seems like you got yourself worked up friend.

back to the topic
I have read your work on the same text but did not find the picture of the actual cutlery you were refering to. I am very intrested in seeing your Eglon ender, can you post a direct link to it?



Just being paranoid . . .

Here's the picture link. I figure that if Ehud had been able to get an Engnath toothpick in ATS34, he would have used it.


FANTASTIC I espescially like the delivery order. I am grinning from ear to ear as I look at this Engath Toothpick. I can picture Ehud grinning as he put the final touches on his blade, the knowledge of what he was about to do and the involvement from start to finish on a real high level mission had to have been a rush. I guess this is what the MD folks mean by a "Serious Operator". I can't help but wonder if Ehud stopped to do pull ups on his blade just before doing Eglon
I am to understand that you had this piece made or did you finish out a blank? I love it!


The blade was an ATS34 variant of Bob Engnath's "Small Toothpick" which he normally made in 440C, and which was the right length (a "gomed" or short cubit - inside elbow joint to middle knuckle, measured on my arm). I ground away the integral guard, so that it could theoretically penetrate entirely, handle and all, into a large king, and polished it to 1000 grit, as I recall. The wood is pink ivory, with home-made compound pins. Our rabbi now owns it.


it does my heart warm to see Torah online.
and it goes to show you, that even thought the bible is thousands of years old that good planning and proper execution still remain critical for a good opperation.

can anyone name the someone who was the forerunner to the mosad from the bible? give you a hint has to do with the first few chapters of the book of judges.

Your Rabbi is a lucky man, hummmmm.... let me see...... a fine Jewish man......serving his Lord.......makes knives in his spare wouldn't know any fat kings anywhere would you

Memnoch: With out viewing the scripture reference I would venture to guess Sampson. But alas, he fell to tactics also eh?


I'm afraid I don't know any fat kings in my neighborhood, unless somebody comes along to crown me, but I am left-handed for some purposes, like writing.

Who set a precedent for Mossad? Ehud, perhaps, since his modus operendi was literally "cloak and dagger."

Ehud made a surgical strike against the enemy's command and control, in coordination with a larger war effort, while Samson was a berserker warrior (his enemies would have called him a terrorist) acting on his own, who killed large numbers of Phillistine soldiers and civilians while leaving the Phillistine state intact. At the end of the chapter on Ehud, the Book says the land was a peace for a few decades. It doesn't say that at the end of the chapter on Samson.

In any case, I don't recall anything about Samson using cutlery. His specialty was blunt trauma, and the jawbone of an ass can still do a lot of damage.


Amen to that. Look at some of the things our Presidents have said.

Jim March
Form DOES follow function.

Thank you for this very enjoyable thread.


joshua ben nun. his start was the battle of
he sent spys into the land of canan after moshe died. he was also one on the original spys from the torah and one of only 2 out all the spys to bring a favorable report of the land to moshe. all others of his generation exept him and his partner, caleb, died in the desert during 40 years of wandering.

first a spy then a spymaster and general. what aresume
Joshua also might be called the father of production knife making, for commissioning a large number of flint knives for the mass circumcision of the men of the tribe just before the conquest of Canaan.

I thought of him on the Mossad question, but the "hint" referred to the Book of Judges, which is after Joshua's time.


Memnoch's question:
After some thought my guess is Caleb & Josha as well.

They were on the first spy mission (book of Joshua)

They are mentioned in the 1st & 2nd chaps. of Judges.

V. 10 chp 2 starts the "Time after" Joshua
Okay guys, here is a question for you scripture scholars. Who is the first smithy. He obviously would be the first maker of metal knives, what guy could hammer steel without "accidentally" making at least a steak knife!
He is in Genesis....and was a very very adept smith, the father of all smiths you could say.


oops. im sorry i confused my sources.
thank you james and scott for setting my sources strait. i must admit when i mess up and here i did.
thank you.

Torah, martial arts, knives!!!!

you are all the best.
God bless you all.