The Auction Site, anybody notice that...............

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A few sellers are just tagging the name "Walden" on their knives for sale when in fact they are not? :mad:
While I'm on a rant, are the Chinese starting to stamp Walden on their knives too? :rolleyes:
I seem to notice that the "Walden" name is being bandied about in the interest of deception and sales. :barf:
-Bruce
 
The 65th Anniversary Knives in the black tins made by Taylor are stamped SCHRADE WALDEN and MADE IN CHINA. They own the SCHRADE WALDEN trademark. These things are flooding Ebay. I think there are 100 sellers that list them and SMKW will drop ship them. Just a guess.

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Taylor also contracted with Bear & Sons and with Camillus to make knives stamped with Walden. Those are now becoming a little older stock. They are of reasonable quality. Much more recently he contracted with Utica to make knives stamped Walden. I have not handled one because I will not send one penny to anyone with a relationship to Taylor, but they may be fine. These later knives are mostly trappers, but I think they make a spinoff of the 897UH (aka 895, 825). They have bone handles in a style never used by the original Schrade companies.
 
Those ones are genuine Schrade USA knives Bob, similar to the Old Timer Classic Series. Made in 2004 I believe. I am not sure that series was officially released. There is a similar version with Blue Rope Cut Bone, with the same shield and etch. I agree, calling them Old Timers was an odd choice.
 
thawk said:
Those ones are genuine Schrade USA knives Bob, similar to the Old Timer Classic Series. Made in 2004 I believe. I am not sure that series was officially released. There is a similar version with Blue Rope Cut Bone, with the same shield and etch. I agree, calling them Old Timers was an odd choice.
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I'm confident they are fine knives for Schrade Collectors, not so great for collectors who focus on Old Timers. I've seen several of those sets recently, each one with an Old Timer pin, placed, no doubt, to increase bidding interest.

So who is responsible for the out-of-place pins? The sets have been advertised by multiple eBay sellers, so could be one of the closeout distributors.

Here's another. Same hat pin lure trick, different seller. http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAP...oSJUgPM39FwZVqsC4385s%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
 
Not sure what significance there is of the hat pin. The original Old Timers Classics came out in 2000, and if you got the ones in the black tins (like Taylor has copied) an Old Timer Classic Hat Pin came with each knife. At least it was included with the ones I have obtained over the years. Not sure if they included the pin with the wooden framed display box.
 
I am becoming ever more wary of these sellers on the big auction site. They have been doing their best to rape the time honored Schrade, Walden, & Old Timer names. I am very hesitant to bid on those old knives anymore without checking them out very carefully. :(
Bob W said:
Here's another. Same hat pin lure trick, different seller.
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Probably someone selling off the hat pins alone, and bought up by less than savory sellers to complete their hat pin trickery? :mad:
-Bruce
 
thawk said:
Not sure what significance there is of the hat pin. The original Old Timers Classics came out in 2000, and if you got the ones in the black tins (like Taylor has copied) an Old Timer Classic Hat Pin came with each knife. At least it was included with the ones I have obtained over the years. Not sure if they included the pin with the wooden framed display box.
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Yes, the individual Old Timer Classic knives came with hat pins and tins. But the framed set did not.

There must have been quite a surplus of hat pins; you can still buy them separately.

Probably someone selling off the hat pins alone, and bought up by less than savory sellers to complete their hat pin trickery?
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Have an old set of Schrade knives that, as wonderful as they might be, you can't give away? Toss in a hat pin and advertise them as Old Timers...
 
thawk said:
Those ones are genuine Schrade USA knives Bob, similar to the Old Timer Classic Series. Made in 2004 I believe. I am not sure that series was officially released. There is a similar version with Blue Rope Cut Bone, with the same shield and etch. I agree, calling them Old Timers was an odd choice.
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The knives with the blue bone, and the same shield and etch; do not have Blue Rope Cut Bone.
They were made for Chromate and sold about 2002-03.
They also came with Green and Brown Bone handles - some knives are different.
The Blue Bone set should have an American flag in the large square.
They all had the Old Timer Hat Badge, could have been a left-over from the Classic knives in the black tin.
http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/knife_forum/gallery/image_page.php?album_id=131&image_id=5382

The 2004 “Sample ACB8o - Blue Rope Cut Bone” (never sold - most not finished) knives have a 100th Anniversary etch on the blade and a different shield. Schrade was going to start selling them about August or September 2004.
http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com....php?album_id=131&image_id=5793&view=no_count

This is the Flyer for the Blue Rope-Cut Bone Handled knives.
http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/knife_forum/gallery/image_page.php?album_id=131&image_id=5891
I have a finished ACB8o Sample and one of the un-finished ACB8o knives (no shield or etch)... Ken
 
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So these knives that "never sold" were shipped over seas, finished, then sent back?
-Bruce
 
Ballenxj said:
So these knives that "never sold" were shipped over seas, finished, then sent back?
-Bruce
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There is some of that going on, mostly with fixed blades. But most of them are just excess unfinished inventory from the factory sale, in every imaginable configuration, including mismatched parts assembled by Schrades own workers.
 
Ballenxj said:
So these knives that "never sold" were shipped over seas, finished, then sent back?
-Bruce
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I do not belive an Schrade knives with Bone Handles, were shipped over seas or finished!
The Blue Rope Cut Bone knives show up on eBay from time to time "unfinished - no shield or etch."
Schrade did finish some sample knives. However, the Close Down stopped the Production and sale of the Blue Rope Cut Bone knives... Ken
 
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Some of the fixed blades were shipped overseas for wooden handles recently, PH2, 152OT, 167UH for example, and are prominent Ebay items at the moment.
 
thawk said:
Some of the fixed blades were shipped overseas for wooden handles recently, PH2, 152OT, 167UH for example, and are prominent Ebay items at the moment.
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I have noticed the flood of these un-finished fixed blade knives, has destroyed the market for pre 2004 PH2 and 152OT Schrade fixed blade knives.
Schrade PH1 and PH2 knives are selling well below what they should be. Even the Loveless knives are selling for under $200.
I have also noticed Schrade D'holders now showing up with no paperwork, no etch on the blades and no mumbers stamped on the top edge of the blades.
 
koldgold said:
I have noticed the flood of these un-finished fixed blade knives, has destroyed the market for pre 2004 PH2 and 152OT Schrade fixed blade knives.
Schrade PH1 and PH2 knives are selling well below what they should be. Even the Loveless knives are selling for under $200.
I have also noticed Schrade D'holders now showing up with no paperwork, no etch on the blades and no mumbers stamped on the top edge of the blades.
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The D'holders surfaced a few years back. I get the feeling they never sold, only to be put away to try again later on.

Russell
 
Hi Russell, I have two of the first D'holders made in 2000.
They have started to show up with no numbers and no etching. They too bring about the 2000 retail price. Ken
 
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Ken, I thought the first D'Holders were 2001 followed by second series in 2002?.......I've got 1 & 3 both bolster numbered...
 
Larry303 said:
Ken, I thought the first D'Holders were 2001 followed by second series in 2002?.......I've got 1 & 3 both bolster numbered...
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Hi Larry,
I have some in-house paperwork saying: Shipping would begin in early January 2000 to the 23 named Distributors, of the First D’holders with the BG52 Blades. Retailing at $200 and costing the Distributors $100 each knife.
The SLWD1 were available after March 2000 and cost the Distributors $400 for “Two Displays and two SDH1 (D’holders) and two SLW1 (Lake & Walkers).
I have two SLWDI Display sets…
Your D'holder 3 is the one to keep, I do not think too many of them were sold. The D'holder 4 are like those $50 2OTs you'r keeping for me... Ken
 
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