The best Military?

The CPM-D2 has kicked all other versions out of my pocket. Of course, I am looking forward to the frame lock military which should be coming out soon. The prototype was very nice when I handled it last month.
 
I'd like to see a Military/Paramilitary with G-11 scales too but I suspect the nested liners would detract from the aesthetics a lot due to the semi-opaque element of the G-11.
 
tenman said:
How could S60V be harder to re-profile and/or sharpen than S90V? I have a 440v Milli and haven't found it any more difficult to deal with than any of the other premium steels. I would think S90V would be the most difficult of the bunch to re-profile.

A Milli in M4 would be hard to pass up, think I'd prefer 52100 to 1095.
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Some of that reputation probably came from the first run of knives with the then brand new steel run with the manufacturer's suggested heat treatment. If I remember correctly, it was actually run a point or two harder than S90V was years later. There were problems with chipping, and problems with it being hard to sharpen. Sal changed the heat treatment, running it a little softer, and most of the problems went away. 440V/S60V is my second favorite behind the S90V sprint.

I think all you guys that want a carbon steel blade in your Miitary need to get together and commission a sprint run. You would only have to raise enough money to buy 600 knives. That way, you get what you want and Sal doesn't have a bunch of people whining about their Spyderco rusting in their pocket. That's probably only fifty or sixty knives each, so you should each have a lifetime supply.
 
yablanowitz said:
Some of that reputation probably came from the first run of knives with the then brand new steel run with the manufacturer's suggested heat treatment. If I remember correctly, it was actually run a point or two harder than S90V was years later. There were problems with chipping, and problems with it being hard to sharpen. Sal changed the heat treatment, running it a little softer, and most of the problems went away. 440V/S60V is my second favorite behind the S90V sprint.
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Makes sense, seems there were two versions of 440v, wonder if they had different heat treats? I have one of the later versions with only the term "MILITARY" on the blade, sharpens nicely, never had any chipping issues with it.

yablanowitz said:
I think all you guys that want a carbon steel blade in your Miitary need to get together and commission a sprint run. You would only have to raise enough money to buy 600 knives. That way, you get what you want and Sal doesn't have a bunch of people whining about their Spyderco rusting in their pocket. That's probably only fifty or sixty knives each, so you should each have a lifetime supply.
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Wow :confused: Don't know that I'd call any of the above whining. Seems pretty common for people to throw out ideas of blade steel and scale combos- its fun to do and every so often one is actually produced.
 
I would buy several millies in m4 and several in 1095 or 52100, handle colors wouldnt matter that much unless they were pink or purple, then I wouldnt want several :D. High carbon steels are great!
 
Now I've got to go back and read original thread. I was thinking he was asking what we think the 5 best that have been made were...not the ones you want to see made.

J/K:p


I only have them in S30V and CPM D2, and I like them about the same.
If I had to pick one I don't have it would be any in CF.

A yellow H1 Millie would be sweet if ever made!

I like Rolf's above answer...as always he's keeping it simple:p
 
I have four different Military - I like best CPM S60V - old one.

Regards, Vassili.
 
Have people colored g-10 in yellow or blue? H-1 Yellow G-10 Millie sounds great.

EDIT: I'm a dumbass and forgot about the dodo/yojimbo/etc...
 
yablanowitz said:
I think all you guys that want a carbon steel blade in your Miitary need to get together and commission a sprint run. You would only have to raise enough money to buy 600 knives. That way, you get what you want and Sal doesn't have a bunch of people whining about their Spyderco rusting in their pocket. That's probably only fifty or sixty knives each, so you should each have a lifetime supply.
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Probably wouldn't be too bad. What's the price comparison for 52100 vs S30V? :D
 
tenman said:
Wow :confused: Don't know that I'd call any of the above whining. Seems pretty common for people to throw out ideas of blade steel and scale combos- its fun to do and every so often one is actually produced.
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That's one of the major reasons Sal is reluctant to use carbon steel in his folders. Joe Average (who buys a hundred times the knives that we knife knuts do) doesn't want a knife that rusts in his pocket. If one Spyderco knife rusts (because he didn't take care of the carbon steel), then all Spyderco knives are junk. That's how Joe Average thinks. That is the whining I was referring to, the people who would buy a carbon steel Military because it was cheap, and then bitch because it rusted.

If a customer is happy with a purchase, he tells three people. If he's unhappy, he tells the whole world. That is an axiom that I've seen proven time and again in retail. I've seen it demonstrated on this very forum. People routinely sign up and post about some problem they have that usually doesn't even merit notice, but they gripe to the entire planet via internet because their mass-produced knife isn't as perfect as a hand-fitted custom should be.

To get back to the subject of the original post, I rank the Millies this way:
S90V/CF
440V (S60V)/G-10
CPM D2/FG G-10
BG-42/CF
ATS-34/G-10
S30V/CF
S30V/G-10

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My favorite of all is S90V with CF handles. It seems to be the best combination of everything to me.
 
yablanowitz said:
That's one of the major reasons Sal is reluctant to use carbon steel in his folders. Joe Average (who buys a hundred times the knives that we knife knuts do) doesn't want a knife that rusts in his pocket. If one Spyderco knife rusts (because he didn't take care of the carbon steel), then all Spyderco knives are junk. That's how Joe Average thinks. That is the whining I was referring to, the people who would buy a carbon steel Military because it was cheap, and then bitch because it rusted.

If a customer is happy with a purchase, he tells three people. If he's unhappy, he tells the whole world. That is an axiom that I've seen proven time and again in retail. I've seen it demonstrated on this very forum. People routinely sign up and post about some problem they have that usually doesn't even merit notice, but they gripe to the entire planet via internet because their mass-produced knife isn't as perfect as a hand-fitted custom should be.

To get back to the subject of the original post, I rank the Millies this way:
S90V/CF
440V (S60V)/G-10
CPM D2/FG G-10
BG-42/CF
ATS-34/G-10
S30V/CF
S30V/G-10

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So why is Sal making the Bradley using M4?

Going back to the original question, my favorite Millie would be S90V, followed by CPM-D2.
 
I'm really digging my Bg-42 CF one, but I have a love for my orange G-10 S30V as well. If I could have an ultimate Military, it would be orange G-10 with a 20CV blade.
 
yablanowitz said:
Some of that reputation probably came from the first run of knives with the then brand new steel run with the manufacturer's suggested heat treatment. If I remember correctly, it was actually run a point or two harder than S90V was years later. There were problems with chipping, and problems with it being hard to sharpen. Sal changed the heat treatment, running it a little softer, and most of the problems went away. 440V/S60V is my second favorite behind the S90V sprint.
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Your right on the money here. I did a fair bit of research before buying my 440V Millie as comments like "it's a bear to sharpen" had me a little concerned. Basically the 2nd batch of 440V millies had the heat treat dropped 2 points which fixed the previous problems (the info is all on the Spyderco site, http://spyderco.com/forums/showthread.php?t=536&highlight=440V+heat+treat, there are plenty more posts too. I've had no problem sharpening this 440V with traditional carborundum or ceramic stones, removing the burr can be interesting sometimes though... I love this steel and it has me eager to try out S90V.
 
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