The bloody Shapton water stone. Warning Graphic!

Joe Duder

Joe Duder

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Anybody catch this yet? I've learned a lot about sharpening through watching Virtuovice, but there has to be a better way to get a keen edge.:eek: What do you guys think?

Here you go. There will be blood!


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It's a novice mistake, learning to not grind away your fingers is just part of proper finger placement.

Using blood instead of water is pretty hardcore though but you won't find me trying it out.
 
knifenut1013 said:
It's a novice mistake, learning to not grind away your fingers is just part of proper finger placement.

Using blood instead of water is pretty hardcore though but you won't find me trying it out.
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I agree with both comments. I do mostly sandpaper and strop sharpening. But if I need to remove a ton of steel, I'd probably belt sand then go through the different grits of sandpaper. I'd imagine removing so much steel with stones, causes them to dish and require three times as much maintenance. But then again, I don't stone sharpen so I really don't know.
 
Yes, I saw it just yesterday. I actually was a bit disgusted by this particular video, otherwise he is quite entertaining and informative.
 
I've worn through my fingertips a couple of times, to just before the bleeding stage. Believe it or not, on DMT diasharps! That's really crazy that he'd just keep going and even use the blood for "lube" on the stone. REALLY Crazy. I found it rather unpleasant to keep sharpening after my finger tips were worn through.

Brian.
 
Long live the Samurai. I couldn't do it.
I got as far as "this is inevitable" which I don't agree with.
 
happened to me once when doing the initial grinding on my yanagi. it´s not inevitable but id admit that placing the fingers at the very edge initialy helped speed the shaping process quite a lot... except that i had to wait for a couple of days until i was able to go on polishing the blade, a couple a weeks to make sharpen painlessly again... pretty stupid move all considered. i didnt go that far and as i was done a couple minutes after i saw the first blood but still stupid.
 
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That's certainly one way to do it. I think I'll stick with a work sharp and sharp maker.
 
I don't see how blood would be a viable substitute for water/oil. Maybe oil on a regular aluminum oxide sharpening stone but I was under the assumption that your only supposed to use water with whetstones. :confused:
 
Lol. Yeah, I've subscribed to him. A guy who is really obsessive compulsive about his knives and the differences in the grinds and how it affect the performance in the field. His hunting videos are great. Not many people post knife reviews while dressing a deer in the winter in the snow.
 
I had to skip through the blood intensive parts. Normally it wouldn't bother me, but something about it made me cringe. I like watching Wako's videos, he has very good content when it comes to knives and sharpening.
 
I came to BF looking for this thread after seeing the video. On one hand I don't believe this is "inevitable". Yet, he sharpens a lot so I'm guessing he must have tried many ways to avoid this. Anyways this video just reminds me of all those times I cut myself. :hororr:
 
I'm hoping this is the kind of mistake he only makes once. I'm also hoping that it's the kind of thing that everyone else who sees it can learn from, and what they learn is it's a mistake. I did something similar, once, when sanding paint in a body shop.
 
I am subbed to Virtuovice also and although I am a big fan of his videos, I some how missed this one and dont think I want to watch it.
 
There was no reason for that to happen, other than the users stubbornness. I used to be subbed to Wako, but he kind of went off the deep end so I unsubbed. A lot of the sharpening that he does is unnecessary, mostly because he can't properly sharpen his knives and regularly over strops them. He doesn't take constructive criticism real well either. A shame, his videos were entertaining, I liked watching a Japanese mountain man putter around some nice country.
 
Are we so far removed from the hazards of reality that we cringe over a little wound and some blood? I listened to him while he worked and most comments here don't fit with my take on the video. He wasn't using blood in place of water/oil, he didn't cut himself, he has done this many times before with no ill effect and it's not much blood in the water slurry mix.

Go watch some surgery videos on the Tube and man up blade forums. A nosebleed must be a medical emergency in some households.
 
Virtuvice is great and a great guy to talk to. I find most of his videos very informative and he truly cares about helping others and making knives sharp. I even bought a blade from him that he put one of his high convex edges on and it is super sharp. He had something like 8 hours into hand sanding the edge on the blade I got from him using sandpaper. :)
 
jkulysses said:
Virtuvice is great and a great guy to talk to. I find most of his videos very informative and he truly cares about helping others and making knives sharp. I even bought a blade from him that he put one of his high convex edges on and it is super sharp. He had something like 8 hours into hand sanding the edge on the blade I got from him using sandpaper. :)
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His hand convexing of a BK2 was pretty much the video that sold me on his channel. He is a nice guy who is living the dream for a lot of people; I did not mean my comments to be a personal attack.


I applaud the fact that he documents dear hunting and bush work, as well as his willingness to experiment. His convex/flat Griptillian was a really cool idea, I think Busse originally used a grind similar to that.

Honed_Edge said:
Are we so far removed from the hazards of reality that we cringe over a little wound and some blood? I listened to him while he worked and most comments here don't fit with my take on the video. He wasn't using blood in place of water/oil, he didn't cut himself, he has done this many times before with no ill effect and it's not much blood in the water slurry mix.

Go watch some surgery videos on the Tube and man up blade forums. A nosebleed must be a medical emergency in some households.
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How many other people bleed all over when they are sharpening with waterstones, and try to argue that it is simply a hazard of doing it. If it was, the Japanese probably would have glorified it (which would be bada**). He has some problems with properly sharpening and doesn't listen to criticism. He instead blames the knife manufacturer (Bark River, no love lost there), and attempts to justify his need to bleed all over when sharpening. He also says some things about steel which are wrong.
 
Bugout Bill said:
His hand convexing of a BK2 was pretty much the video that sold me on his channel. He is a nice guy who is living the dream for a lot of people; I did not mean my comments to be a personal attack.
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That is the exact knife I bought from him. :)
 
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