waynorth
Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider
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It is unfair to say that conclusions have been drawn, in my opinion. In an open-minded discussion, all evidence must be heard. No-one here has said definitively the Bone used on Tony's knives is Remington or Schrade made, and no-one will ever know for sure.
Here is some conjecture for you, stemming from what I know of the cutlery industry, and what I have observed;
The respective Companies jigging machines may have been set up differently at the time, as a gentlemen's agreement, so everyone had their distinctive pattern. The variations are many. If the machines were the SAME machines, then each company had the capability of re-producing the other's patterns!! Many makers produce clones of Tony's knives, and to the eye, they look very similar. A few of us might tell them apart, maybe not.
I think it is unfair to assume intentions that aren't there. No one is trying to prove it's Remington bone, but some of the similarities are striking.
I do think however, that the strongest evidence I've seen is the comparison I posted. It looks like the Schrade Switch bone, and Tony's Rem-bone were made on the same machine, at the same settings, (maybe on the same day
) What we don't know, and may never know because of the intensely incestuous cutlery industry, is whose machines jigged the bone!!
It goes on today. Northwoods and Canal Street use Queen parts on a continuous basis. They both obtain Jigged bone from the same sources.
Some of the jigged bone is off the shelf, other styles are custom made.
Camillus made knives for everyone. Some of the Case Tested and Case XX knives, so expensive and treasured, were made completely out of the "house"!! In some patterns the only way to tell is with a micrometer!!
Don't assume anything, and listen to the arguments.
No-one is scamming anyone here. So far I see everyone being up front.
Let's not have scurrilous* or belittling accusations.
* grossly or indecently abusive
Here is some conjecture for you, stemming from what I know of the cutlery industry, and what I have observed;
The respective Companies jigging machines may have been set up differently at the time, as a gentlemen's agreement, so everyone had their distinctive pattern. The variations are many. If the machines were the SAME machines, then each company had the capability of re-producing the other's patterns!! Many makers produce clones of Tony's knives, and to the eye, they look very similar. A few of us might tell them apart, maybe not.
I think it is unfair to assume intentions that aren't there. No one is trying to prove it's Remington bone, but some of the similarities are striking.
I do think however, that the strongest evidence I've seen is the comparison I posted. It looks like the Schrade Switch bone, and Tony's Rem-bone were made on the same machine, at the same settings, (maybe on the same day
) What we don't know, and may never know because of the intensely incestuous cutlery industry, is whose machines jigged the bone!!It goes on today. Northwoods and Canal Street use Queen parts on a continuous basis. They both obtain Jigged bone from the same sources.
Some of the jigged bone is off the shelf, other styles are custom made.
Camillus made knives for everyone. Some of the Case Tested and Case XX knives, so expensive and treasured, were made completely out of the "house"!! In some patterns the only way to tell is with a micrometer!!
Don't assume anything, and listen to the arguments.
No-one is scamming anyone here. So far I see everyone being up front.
Let's not have scurrilous* or belittling accusations.
* grossly or indecently abusive
