Happy Thanksgiving to all! Im hoping to get some higher grit stones and strops and this should help me abrade down burrs easier. I’ve also been wanting to get newspaper a try.
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The burr again
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I like Murray and respect his back ground and craft and his views on thin Japanese style edges and his views on fine tuning the edge angle.
That said . . .
. . . sorry Murray . . .
. . . well . . .
I have never understood drawing that nice fresh edge through cross grain into the side of an old, dirty, gritty (!!!! ! !), hunk of wood (often that means the side of his sharpening bridge).
Insanity. The equivalent of drawing it through some old dirty carpeting to get that nice ultimate final tree topping o v e r - t h e - t o p . . . dullness.
Murray, Murray, Murray . . . what are you thinking boy ? ? ?
The old Japanese guys were just kidding when they told you to do that when you were a young apprentice.
Think man . . . think (!).
You should write to him and tell him your thoughts. Despite being a Mastersmith, he does not strike me as a fellow who is too lazy to improve his skill set if shown a much better way. Perfection is an illusion, but it sounds like you could teach him a thing or three about burr removal.
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More likely I would learn a thing or three.
I can definitely recommend his youtube vids on edge thickness and selecting edge angle.
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Haha. What's Murray Carter claiming now... like 2,000,000 knives made?
(Yes, I'm exaggerating). If Wowbagger (or anyone else) convinces Murray Carter to change this... he better triple record it and have it certified by the accounting firm of ‘never gonna happen’... ‘cause THAT’S a conversation I’d pay to hear. 
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Haha. What's Murray Carter claiming now... like 2,000,000 knives made?
I'm just kind of gawking around . . . not a big fan . . . but I just went to his web site and could not find under the headings : Home , Knives, About Us etc. any mention of how many knives he and his dudes have made.
I searched you tube : Murray Carter claiming quantity of knives made.
I guess my Google Fu sucks cause nothing there.
and since you did say
claiming now... like 2,000,000 knives made?
well . . . looks like he isn't lying or embarrassing himself too hard.
I did search for and found :
For people who appreciate precision, those "Billions and Billions Served" signs atop the golden arches are disturbingly vague. McDonald's Corp. stopped updating the number of burgers sold back in 1994 at 99 billion.Jan 22, 2013
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Would take three workers, working three hundred days a year, making a little more than one hundred ten knives a day, ten years to make about one million knives.
Longer than that realistically. So yeah.
Not any where near even one million. Realistically how many can one worker make a day ? Three ? Five ? I have no idea.
Longer than that realistically. So yeah.
Not any where near even one million. Realistically how many can one worker make a day ? Three ? Five ? I have no idea.
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Well, he claimed only 25k knives. https://www.cartercutlery.com/our-story/meet-murray-carter/
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Just like Bugs Bunny, you should have made a left at Albuquerque. You took the wrong turn.
Clearly, I was exaggerating. I say "clearly" because I stated... "I'm exaggerating". (And here I thought that I made it pretty obvious with the number, but said it anyway. If you watch some of his videos, for a while whenever he would make a claim or statement, especially if someone questioned what he did, he would start with, I've made XXX number of knives...).
(Hopefully, you won't now Google and say, "Bugs Bunny wasn't travelling to Carter Cutlery").
BTW, so you don't go off on another tangent... this has nothing to do with you personally changing his mind (or even whether or not I think his method is right or wrong). Like I said earlier... I doubt anyone could.
I can't believe you took 2,000,000 serious enough to do the math.... never in 10,000,000 years, would I have thought that.
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He holds the record in forging a kitchen knife from scratch including sharpening and putting the handle on though, I think in about 1 hour - just saying = 12 knives a day, 60 in a work week, 2,880/year with a few weeks of vacation, 28,800 in 10 years and so on ...
I once made a knife (no forging, just stock removal). It took about a year working 30 minutes at a time, a few times a week.
I'm still trying to figure out this burrless sharpening method. My edges are never uniformly dull. When I sharpen, some parts of the blade get apexed way before other parts. How do you avoid a burr in those sections that apex early? Do you always draw the edge across the stone to get an evenly dull edge before starting the sharpening process?
I'm still trying to figure out this burrless sharpening method. My edges are never uniformly dull. When I sharpen, some parts of the blade get apexed way before other parts. How do you avoid a burr in those sections that apex early? Do you always draw the edge across the stone to get an evenly dull edge before starting the sharpening process?
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Non uniform apexing is more usual than not. I don’t really aim for burless sharpening, simply continue until the whole length apexed. Can’t avoid the burr that way, but I found it can be minimized with reduced pressure.
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,A carbon steel such as Shirogami Murray uses will have different responses than a VG10, M4, or S110V in burr formation, how the burr attaches to the apex to be, and when pulled off with wood. I am guessing based on my own deburring response of all these steels (not Shirogami but Superblue) using strop, edge leading, side pressure then edge leading (bluntcut’s older method). No photo, etc. just my observation.
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By minimizing pressure to reduce burr formation, it could increase my sharpening time from minutes to hours? if I were sharpening out a roll or ding?
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When hogging off steel around chips to make it flush again with the rest of the edge, it’s not necessary to lighten very much. Use the appropriate pressure for the steel & stone. Light up when reaching final deburr stage. This is what I do.
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Haha. What's Murray Carter claiming now... like 2,000,000 knives made?
OK I by chance ran across him talking about the number of knives made in this vid. right at the end of the vid.
In the thousands.
He does mention the number of subscribers to his YouTube channel in the tens of thousands
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this might be the confusion
He says : contribute to the three million VIEWERS of his channel.
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When you said you were exaggerating I thought you meant he said he and his shop had done about a million plus. so under two million.
It was no trouble to spread sheet the math. I enjoyed it. Up till then I had absolutely no idea how many knives a shop could or could not turn out.
Sorry I posted the vid. I hadn't read your post about me doing the math.
Hey don't you be dissssin' on my man Bugs we'll have to send THE TASMANIAN round to sort things out.
