The Chinese are taking over.

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I was doing my usual evening trolling the internet for knives. New & old companies and knives. I spend some time on YouTube look at Ebay, BladeForums and other forums. I like to keep up on whats new and all the new knife reviews. It hit me like a ton of bricks a few moments ago. The Chinese have taken over the knife business. Even when we would like to think that we are buying from American companies most of their volume is in the budget lines which are all made in China, Taiwan, Japan etc. the competition is fierce and they are winning. From the cheapest clones, Ganzo's and Sanrenmu's to the higher end like Reate, Rike, WE, Kizer etc. and everywhere in between such as Real Steel, Ruike and the value lines done by the higher end companies Like the Vanguard line from Kizer, WE has the G-10 Linerlock series. etc.
And I again have not mentioned the American companies such as Spyderco, ColdSteel, Kershaw who is in fact owned by an Asian company Kai USA. I am not sure if they are Chinese or Japanese but it doesn't make a difference because the are not American companies. Not to mention ZT is proud to produce their knives in the U.S. The are also owned by KAI. USA. After we taught them how to make good knives and that Americans will pay for quality if they can get the same quality eventually most people will. I cannot believe how many companies are cropping up. I know that they were smart enough not to throw away the cheap knife so they opened new companies and produced higher quality knives. Now the bad news, they have upped the ante and have improved the quality of their cheap knives too. From what I have seen you can get a decent quality EDC knife for $10-15 shipped. It might need a little adjustment but that happens on the US made knives. I am an avid Spyderco collector among others and I must say that the Taiwanese knives are often times equal to or better than Golden Colorado. At least the profits are going to an American company. Our whole thing about buying American was to support American companies but also because we made a superior product. Not anymore.
They have caught up to our quality standards and passed them. Keep in mind that no one
is twisting our arms to buy them but we are buying them anyway. A $200.00 quality knife for $150. They also came up with the Idea of nice packaging. I had recently bought a
ZT 0562cf M390 and a ZT 0452 cf. As you well know these were not cheap. I couldn't wait for them to come well I got them and one needed immediate pivot adjustment and oiling and the other had to go to ZT because the knife that is supposed to have the best action of all time has a detent that is so hard that it put a detent in my index finger. I called the up and they said to me that they will check it and see if it falls into theirs specs or not. I wanted too say Listen jackass I am the one that spent the money on this knife an I also own over 100 knives and I think I know what a stiff detent feels like but I behaved because otherwise it will fall between the cracks and take longer than the usual 4-6 weeks. They received it on Aug 4th and it still has not been checked in. I think that these companies have their heads stuck up their ass and can't see the light. We used to say that the Chinese, well they read the writing on the wall and are opening up repair/replacement. I had 2 knives that one had bad bearings and the other needed a detent adjustment, The bad bearing knife was replaced and the even asked me what color I wanted. The detent was adjusted only because they did not have a spare new one, they have been sold out for weeks. I was also told that if I was unhappy with It I could exchange it in late September when the next batch comes in. Both were back in my hands in less than 2 weeks. They also gave me progress reports and a tracking # without me asking.
If you are not well to do so that you can buy only American knives and want a knife that is good value for a reasonable price you will no doubt be buying a Chinese product whether through a Chinese company or from an American company
I am sorry to say that the writing is no longer on the wall it is here..
 
Dude, first off...paragraphs are a thing. You raise a lot of valid points but they're lost in a wall of text. Your post made my eyeballs bleed...and I'm not trying to be a smart ass.

One clarification, KAI is Japanese and it's best to not lump all cultures "across the Pacific" in an Asian bucket.

Yes, China has raised the bar on their knife production. I see this as a good thing. I'm an ultimate capitalist and I think competition is good. China is showing the world how to build things better for less, but soon the burden of higher labor costs will equalize. Already we're seeing some of the manufacturers you mentioned price themselves out of a bargain realm.

Shun the Chinese clones and counterfeits while enjoying the excellent original designs and all will be fine. The legit Chinese manufacturers are so tied into Western materials and designers, we truly have a global knife industry. These might be the renaissance years for knife knuts.
 
Want it to stop? Vote for people who will restore freedom by fixing the US tax code and trade policy. We have the highest business tax rates in the world, making the cost of living and doing business here ridiculously high. Until the people rise up and vote for people who will restore freedom, which means reducing taxes and yes, cutting "free" government benefits including the ones that you and I may quality for, it's never gonna change. And the Chinese will keep laughing all the way to the bank.
 
You are correct that China is now making lots of high quality knives and that they are readjusting perceived value in the premium knife market. Also, the budget knife market out of China has been steadily growing for quite a few years now. That is nothing new.

You are incorrect lumping Japan, Taiwan and China together. They are very different. Japanese folders don't look like value folders to me and Japan is not new to the game. There are considerable differences from a political standpoint between the three but this is the wrong place for that discussion. It verboten. Still, in that sense lumping them all together is very wrong.

While the influx of Chinese knives is undeniable there is also a trend towards American production lately as well. The fact that a Japanese company makes knives in the US says something. Spyderco has greatly expanded its US production and other companies have moved production overseas and then brought some of it back. All is not lost. Things are changing for sure but I do not think that the sky is falling just yet.

I am feeling a bout of telepathy coming on. For some reason I can already see where this thread is going. I'll get my fire extinguisher ready.
 
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Dude, first off...paragraphs are a thing. You raise a lot of valid points but they're lost in a wall of text. Your post made my eyeballs bleed...and I'm not trying to be a smart ass.

This..... 1000% this.


On that note.... I may have to go buy that WE knife company 706 I was looking at.
 
The Chinese have taken over . . .
Just noticed that did you ?
With all the money we (the US government) owes them if they decided to call in our markers they would probably be able to take Wyoming, Utah and a good portion of Texas home with them.

Oh and they are ruling the world as we speak in the areas of solar power and alternative energy including electric cars be cause we want to go dig for black rocks and burn them rather than harness . . . oh I don't know . . . that ginormous fiery furnace in the sky; surface temp 10,000 F and they were studying it and the area around the sun is in the MILLIONS OF DEGREES. Yes that can be explained. Fascinating !

Lets burn some old sooty rocks and let the Chinese show us how it's done dudes. Well we showed THEM how it's done and then just petered out and stuck our head in the sand. Or a much smellier place actually.

End of rant.
Rant, Rant, rant . . . rant . . . errrrrrr . . .
 
Like others have said, you're lumping Communist China, Taiwan, Japan all together. There is a very big reason not to buy from China (People's Republic of China). It's because that place is a human rights cesspool and a den of thieves. Their "Communist" government actively encourages and awards design stealing, counterfeiting, fraudulent manufacturing, industrial espionage. They even purposefully make and sell dangerous and poisonous products. You name it, they do it. Their government is okay with anything as long it keeps expanding their gross national product. Which all leads to them taking business away from USA, Canada, Japan, Taiwan, Germany, Mexico and everybody else for that matter. Which is exactly what the leaders of Communist China want. Do you want counterfeiting to stop (or at least be reduced)? Do not buy Made-in-China.
 
I've always heard China is way worse than us as far as pollution and such is concerned. Coworker went there over the 4th of July break and said the smog was ridiculous.
 
I've always heard China is way worse than us as far as pollution and such is concerned. Coworker went there over the 4th of July break and said the smog was ridiculous.
Yeah, because their government doesn't care about anything so long as their economy keeps ballooning.
 
I've always heard China is way worse than us as far as pollution and such is concerned. Coworker went there over the 4th of July break and said the smog was ridiculous.

That is EXACTLY why they are converting to cleaner power with a vengeance.
Check out some of the latest science/industrial documentaries.
For them, as it was for us back in the day in
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...to-match-chinas-today/?utm_term=.3ca3106acd29

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/...d-on-green-energy-jobs-ambition-1017915971953
 
And I'll likely own a WE 704 before year's end (my first).

Yes, China has raised the bar on their knife production. I see this as a good thing. I'm an ultimate capitalist and I think competition is good. China is showing the world how to build things better for less, but soon the burden of higher labor costs will equalize. Already we're seeing some of the manufacturers you mentioned price themselves out of a bargain realm.

Want it to stop? Vote for people who will restore freedom by fixing the US tax code and trade policy. We have the highest business tax rates in the world, making the cost of living and doing business here ridiculously high. Until the people rise up and vote for people who will restore freedom, which means reducing taxes and yes, cutting "free" government benefits including the ones that you and I may quality for, it's never gonna change. And the Chinese will keep laughing all the way to the bank.

I think there is truth to both these posts. If there is institutional (corporate) and political (non burdensome) will to do so, US manufacturers will do just fine in competition.

For example, ZT (I know their parent is Japanese...but they ARE US manufacturing and I assume they turn a profit). Like 'em or hate 'em, I'm personally convinced that the CNC work and internal milling on the 0055 and 0920 were in part a competitive response to recent Chinese offerings. Internal milling and weight loss from one of my favorite US knifemakers? If that's what competition is doing, I am a fan.
 
I've noticed that many US and European makers are offering custom pieces at reasonable prices. I gotta wonder why one would go with a WE at 300.00 when something could be had on the exchange for similar prices...
 
This only really applies to the " latest and greatest " modern folders with flippers...ect.
Traditionals and fixed blades will always be the best values in cutlery.

Ask yourself this question
if you only had 25$ to spend on a brand new EDC knife and nothing more would you buy a " decent " modern Chinese flipper, or a 100% American made case sodbuster ?
Do you care so much about modern features that you'll give in and go Chinese, or sacrifice features and buy the American made knife.
American made knives with features you want may not always be affordable , but at that point you can still get an American made knife if you sacrifice features and fancy materials.

This is just an extreme example, but it will tell you how strongly you feel about buying American when it comes to getting a brand new knife off the shelf.
 
You are correct that China is now making lots of high quality knives and that they are readjusting perceived value in the premium knife market. Also, the budget knife market out of China has been steadily growing for quite a few years now. That is nothing new.

You are incorrect lumping Japan, Taiwan and China together. They are very different. Japanese folders don't look like value folders to me and Japan is not new to the game. There are considerable differences from a political standpoint between the three but this is the wrong place for that discussion. It verboten. Still, in that sense lumping them all together is very wrong.

While the influx of Chinese knives is undeniable there is also a trend towards American production lately as well. The fact that a Japanese company makes knives in the US says something. Spyderco has greatly expanded its US production and other companies have moved production overseas and then brought some of it back. All is not lost. Things are changing for sure but I do not think that the sky is falling just yet.

I am feeling a bout of telepathy coming on. For some reason I can already see where this thread is going. I'll get my fire extinguisher ready.
This is kind of off topic, but a guy from Taiwan started or is starting an airgun company and all production will be in the US, and UTG recently decided to have a line of scopes produced in the US. If companies from Asia are even bringing production to the US, then that really says something.
 
in the last century, any knife with the tang stamp "stainless China"
would be something to avoid like the plague.
fast forward, and today we have entry level brands
with handsome and grammatically correct laser etchings
proudly stating "Handmade in China"?!
well, its a fact that this new turn of developments
is all part of the raise of a new industrial global giant.
it's also a fact that folks currently new to knives
would have little or no qualms about these products
simply because they do not carry any emotional baggage
about past knife greats.
Given the improving quality and affordability factor of these products
i doubt the great majority of knife buyers or customers
would be largely bothered about who, how or where they are made.
as it stands, a new chapter of the global knife industry is already being rewritten
by the new leaders of industrial mass manufacturing...


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Lets burn some old sooty rocks and let the Chinese show us how it's done dudes. Well we showed THEM how it's done and then just petered out and stuck our head in the sand. Or a much smellier place actually.

End of rant.
Rant, Rant, rant . . . rant . . . errrrrrr . . .
Not to put too fine a point on it, but the Chinese use more coal plants than any other nation - and are building more at the rate of one a week. So let's not pretend we're doing everything wrong somehow.
 
in the last century, any knife with the tang stamp "stainless China"
would be something to avoid like the plague.
fast forward, and today we have entry level brands
with handsome and grammatically correct laser etchings
proudly stating "Handmade in China"?!
well, its a fact that this new turn of developments
is all part of the raise of a new industrial global giant.

I don't own any knives made in mainland China, but I do have three made in Taiwan and all three rival or exceed in quality any I have which were made in the USA or Japan. All three were made for US-based companies (Spyderco and Cold Steel), but obviously they could produce the same quality for their own designs.
 
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