The Coming Ice Age

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I've been watching all the disaster programing I can. The Science channel runs some interesting stuff.

Turns out the next Ice Age is due in 10 to 20,000 years. I guess that's enough time to invent the technology to survive it... but I dunno. Depends how many people we have to feed. The earth's orbit becomes eliptical (?) (elongated like an egg) rather than round, and we go further from the Sun for another 20,000 years.

Some scientists believe the next mini ice age, say a freeze of about a 1000 years, could happen within 100 years. They point out the ice cap is shrinking, (global warming) and if it goes, there will be no barrior to the great fresh water glaciers dumping all the water into the ocean. This will change the salinity of the water, and disrupt the great ocean current movements of warm water migrating to cold areas, the poles, and cold water returning to the equater. Without this current, weather changes. Britain will be like Canada.

The program said 'some scientists' believe this, about a 50/50 chance. They're really not sure. The programs did not feature any science to the contrary.

So we could be looking at the last generations.

Makes me think about how fleeting our lives are anyway. WE build for 'forever', but forever is just a day.

Of course, if an asteroid hits us, or a large enough volcano goes off- same thing.

Or we could nuke ourselves to oblivion in the name of Allah or Green trees.

If I knew for sure what to do, I'd certainly stop driving a car. Could we get all emissions under control, though, particularly in developing nations?

I wonder if a president ever assumes office, and in the security briefing, is informed we only have 10,000 years left anyway?


Probably not. That's someonelse's shift. I wonder if we could ever correct the Earth's orbit? Can you imagine the Democrats and Republicans fighting over how to do that??? The compromise would probaby send us to Andromeda.
Then there's the end of the universe; all those galaxies are still madly accelerating away, and space will one day be empty and dead. Matter will one day pull apart.

No one has made it clear to me just what the universe is expanding into. There's a lot I don't know.

I liked the idea when 'it' began 'it' was raw energy, super concentrated and very small.
It is interesting the creation account in the Bible, and other religions, parallel this science to some extent. I'm not sure how that helps us. I hope it does.

It would be interesting to be 'spirit'; something science has not found yet, but always is and always will be.

Well, that's the end of my random thoughts for the morning. It's snowing here. Pretty deep. I tell you, I could not cut enough wood for 1000 years. We've gone through 2 cords and I need more.


munk
 
munk said:
They're really not sure. munk
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Boy, you said a mouthfull there.

I put as much stock in Anna Nicole's environmental theories as I do todays scientists.:eek:
 
"I put as much stock in Anna Nicole's environmental theories as I do todays scientists"


I was on a security team at "Passions" at the Hard Rock in Hollywood Fl for the Trim Spa Finals awards with Anna Nicole.
Her personal body guard comes up to me and tells me not to look or talk to Miss Nicole.
I just laughed and told him she can't talk.
What the hell would I say to her?
She gave a speach and you couldn't understand one word.
This was over a year ago.
I was surprised she lived this long.
If she's not the biggest drugee in the world she must have a brain tumor.
 
I heard a couple of weeks ago that some observatory has started tracking a large asteroid out past pluto that they are predicting will slingshot off of neptune and moving at comet like speeds either pass very close to earth making the most spectacular light show ever seen or crash into earth extinguishing life as we know it. Aparently they are about 50/50 as to which it will be. Becuase this is the way I heard it I am going to pass it on like this as well and not mention untill the very end that this is millions of years away.
 
funny i just finished an article on global warming. seems the latest reports were terribly blunt and harsh. we're screwed and there's no way to fix it, within the next century sea level will rise somethin like 20' and the current habitable dry climates will become deserts and no longer habitable. the equator's pretty much gonna be the earth's dead belt. the poles will see the highest spike in temperature. these are actually the mild side effects, the severe consequences will come in the form of storms, floods, droughts, and heat waves. there's no way to fix it and we can only try to reduce any further damage we do and try to learn to live with higher temperatures.

hell, maybe the orbit is the weltgeist's natural way of balancing out the temperatures. nature's conscious or unconscious effort to compensate for our recklessness.
 
Blah blah blah. These enviro-libs exaggerate. Ignore them.
 
I don't think we should ignore these concerns, but we should somehow put together all of our knowledge and try and understand.

I wish the education system and media ran the contrary points of view but they do not. So, I don't know what is 'true'.


munk
 
If global warming is true and we're doomed, we should all be able to eat as much whale meat as we want.

:rolleyes:
 
Don't worry. If we alter the climate too much the earth will wipe the human race out and it will be the children and grandchildren that get wiped out not us. But hey look at the bright side they won't have to pay off the deficit we charged up either:D :thumbup:

For some reason not related to the content this thread keeps making me think of Samuel Taylor Coleridge(sp?)'s Kubla Khan, Rush's song Xanadu, and Jorma Kaukonen's tune Ice age!:)
 
if anything, we humans are profoundly adaptable but slow to change. such an odd paradox.
 
A book that gives the scientific (rather than politically correct) side of all this is: "Unstoppable Global Warming - every 1500 years" by Singer and Avery. All well known historical evidence that is conveniently ignored by the media. Basically says that we've been here before and will be here again. The earth was warmer during the time of the Roman Empire and again for a period during the Middle Ages that what we are now. It's the cooling periods like the "little ice age" that froze the Vikings out of Greenland that we have to watch for.
 
The federal government will be handing out countless billions of dollars to the wealthy vacation home owners along the coastlines so that they can be rebuilt time and time again while the water level rises. We seem to be doing it with hurricanes anyway.
 
Good post, Munk.

Frankly, I think it's silly that this issue is so politicized. Global warming is happening. It is a grave threat to human life an society as we know it. There's really good data to back that up, and very few are now disputing the fact.

Also very hard to dispute is the correlation between the amount of atmospheric CO2 and the global (especially polar) temperatures. Essentially a direct relationship, and that is historical, based on ice cores drilled at the poles. Another fact is that humans today are pumping out remarkable amounts of greenhouse gasses.

I will freely acknowledge that there is considerable evidence of naturally created global warming, but there can be very little reasonable dispute that we are having at least some significant impact on the levels of greenhouse gasses and, thus, global temperatures. I understand that a number of works have been published to the contrary, and I have always been one to applaud dissenting opinions. But to say that, in this case, these opinions are in the minority would be a vast understatement. There is just way too much compelling data showing that we have a huge hand in global warming.

There is also compelling data indicating that, if the world acts quickly, there may still be time to soften the blow, so to speak. If this thing is going to be as bad as even some of the mildest estimates predict, then we owe it to future generations to try. I know I would hate to see America's heartland reduced to a great desert just before it is covered in glaciers.

Chris
 
It has happened before, will happen again and again and again and there is nothing we can do about it. We will adapt and life will go on. We should be much more concerned with poplation controll, an epidemic or nukes in the wrong hands Global warming is a fact we will live with. Think about the billions of dollars that are and will be given to scientist that support the fallacy that we can do something about it, they will milk the cow untill it is dead or dry.

Leon Pugh
 
namaarie said:
Good post, Munk.

Frankly, I think it's silly that this issue is so politicized. Global warming is happening. It is a grave threat to human life an society as we know it. There's really good data to back that up, and very few are now disputing the fact.

Also very hard to dispute is the correlation between the amount of atmospheric CO2 and the global (especially polar) temperatures. Essentially a direct relationship, and that is historical, based on ice cores drilled at the poles. Another fact is that humans today are pumping out remarkable amounts of greenhouse gasses.

I will freely acknowledge that there is considerable evidence of naturally created global warming, but there can be very little reasonable dispute that we are having at least some significant impact on the levels of greenhouse gasses and, thus, global temperatures. I understand that a number of works have been published to the contrary, and I have always been one to applaud dissenting opinions. But to say that, in this case, these opinions are in the minority would be a vast understatement. There is just way too much compelling data showing that we have a huge hand in global warming.

There is also compelling data indicating that, if the world acts quickly, there may still be time to soften the blow, so to speak. If this thing is going to be as bad as even some of the mildest estimates predict, then we owe it to future generations to try. I know I would hate to see America's heartland reduced to a great desert just before it is covered in glaciers.

Chris
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Chris,

I respectfully disagree. Thinking we can stop climate change is rediculous. The data is slanted by the left media. And they've ignored the historical evidence that this was going to happen with man, or without.

Additionally, they acknowledged in this last big report that there is no stopping this. Duh. So how is it that everyone thinks we can stop it. Could the cave men stop the ice age if they didn't poop in the river so much??? Was there such a pressure from their own left? We'll never know, but the modern 'idea' that we can stop this is just as rediculous.

Its cyclical. Try to stop next summer from happening. Why can you not? Because it has zip to do with us. Why have we not tried??? Because we're used to the seasons changing, and its harder to wrap ourselves around the ebbing nature of climate change.

Andy
 
The ellipsification or Earth's orbit is caused by Jupiter's gravity as that planet does it's own elliptifying. It is also well-known that Sol is a variable star, which reaches its 'solar maximum' every 22 years. (It's just now pulling out of the trough and hotting up again, I understand). It would seem, then, that the forces which shape our environment work on a larger scale than someone's SUV.
Yes, and what about Sol's galactic-scale orbit? We pass through dust clouds and voids light-years wide, radioactive remnants of old supernovae; then there's the huge black hole at galactic center. What kind of X-ray flux does that beast throw out? How are its effects (whatever they are, if any) modified by our passage through different regions? Durned if I know, and I don't think anyone else does either.
None- *not one*- of these 'scientists' being whooped up by the enviro-zealots has done any experiment to prove their claims. All we get are cherry-picked observations, wild-eyed hypotheses, and loud screams for more taxes, more laws, more funding for more of the same pseudo-scientific lefty agitprop. Where's the scientific method here?
And don't bother mentioning 'computer models' either. Computers are great for mechanical engineering, where parameters are firm and all the variables accounted-for... but computer-modeling any such chaotic and poorly-understood system as our climate is silly. It's just a fancy way of talking to oneself. Of course, the word 'computer' impresses the yokels who don't know anything about how computers work or their limitations, which makes the mere word 'computer' a useful *political* tool.
 
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