The ever shrinking pocket knife.

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For alot of my life, especially this last half of my life, I've been on a quest for small. Not just generally small, but I've been increasingly curious as to how small an item can be made but still function at its intended roll. Knives, guns, flashlights, optics.

I guess some of it comes from being a backpacker in my younger day, and a life long motorcyclist. The need to pack small and light was a need of the activity. Theres just so much you can lug on your back, and theres just so much room in a pair of saddlebags. Along the line I tried out various monoculars ending up with a Ziess mini-quick for general use. If Karen and I are out nature watching I'll use a pair of mini compact binoculars.

In firearms I've downsized as well. Its amazing what can be done with light weight alloys these days. Karens little Smith and Wesson .22 revolver, model 317, is as light as one of those bags of potato chips at the store, but carries 8 shots, and is as accurite as my steel frame .22 kit gun with an inch longer barrel. It carries in a jacket pocket like its not even there, and while it may not drive off a horde of drug crazed outlaw bikers or brain eating zombies, you're not exactly unarmed either. Its all about compromise for convienence.

Like flashlights. Same thing, I've been playing with how small a light can go on a keyring and still be of real use. At the present time I've gotten to using one of those little Photon 2 lites. At about the size of a quarter it really works to light up a dark hallway, or finding your way to the circut breaker box in the dark to see what got thrown. As I always have my keyring in my pants pocket, I always have my my emergency stuff with me if I have my pants on. For the past year I've been carrying one of those little Dorcy single AAA pocket LED lites in my right hand pocket next to the pocket knife of the day. Its proven to be a rugged little lite that works well finding my way to bed without turning on a light and waking Karen who turned in before me. Okay, Okay, the knife content.

For the past couple of years I've become enamored of smaller and smaller knives. Gradually I've went from 4 1/4 stockmen and almost 5 inch sodbusters like my large Eye-brand, to peanuts and small sodies like the 3 5/8 size. But for the past two years I have to confess to a secret obssesion with the tiny pen knife. Yes, I have to come out of the closet.

When I was young, about the time we moved from flint to steel, I always saw those old guys who would take a little pen knife out of the pants pocket to cut something. I, as a young stud full of viniger, would always wonder to myself why they would carry such a usless toothpick. I mean was not the Buck 110 the end all of folding knives? If that failed was a bowie not needed?

When I was just a mosquito wing private, I had a platoon sargent, Sgt. Koellar. Now granted this was the engineers and not a glory outfit like the green breret guys or rangers. We did construction jobs. Sgt Koellar carried this little two blade pocket knife for all his cutting jobs. Like most people, he was not a knife knut, but recognized he needed a cuting tool, so he picked one that did the job with very little bulk or weight in the pocket of his fatigues. As did some of my fellow combat constrution fellows. There was this guy Sandstrom, from Wisconson, who was a big strapping Swede decent farm boy. And another guy from upstate New York who was a dozer driver. And others, who when we went to the field carried a G.I. scout knife, but for normal duty around the post carried the little two blade "pen knife". When the weekend came and we went fishing, or camping, they all had thier little knife. They were somewhat amused by my knives, and recognized that I was a knife knut, thus a bit different.

Out of the army and becoming a machinist, I noticed a similar thing. Alot of guys were like Andy. Andy was an old country boy from down southwestern Virginia, not far from Mt. Rogers. At a grizzeled 6' 4" he was no lightweight at 60 years of age. He was a hunter, fisherman, and came from mountain farm roots. Kind of a large deliberate moving kind of guy. And he carried the typical non-knife knut knd of knife, the little two blade pen knife. About 2 7/8 to 3 inches serpintine two blade job. He would keep it sharp, very sharp, and used it for all his cutting jobs.

Now I will admit to experimenting the last couple of years with the small penknife. In the same quest that led me to mini-monoculars, photon flashlights, and Smith and Wesson 317's, I've found that this old guy penknife thing is about cutting tool efficiantcy for the size. A knife like the peanut was an eye opener to this. A small package, that is compact enough to disappear in a pocket till needed, but do the job when called on. Certainly nothing to parachute into a forest and survive with, but for real world duties how much tool do we need on a daily basis. Only recently did I understand how my dad lived his whole life with a .22 Colt Woodsman for a gun, and a Case peanut for a pocket knife.

Over the last year I've even went smaller. I've carried a Victorinox classic on my keyring, in addition to what was in my right hand pants pocket. For the last year I made a habit of using the classic for my first choice of knife if possable. Kind of an experiment in something. Now I will admit my keyring is becoming sort of my bat ring. A repository of small emegency tools that are always there in my left pocket. Its funny that there are only three keys on my ring, (truck, house, truck cap) but there are more implements than keys. A photon flashlight, Victorinox classic on quick release snap, Bison aluminum whistle, bison aluminum capsule with Ibuprophen tablets for arthritus pain, and a sears keychain screwdriver. I know, I know, I should see someone. Now I'm looking in a Russell catalogue at the little titanium penknife.

The little Victorinox classic has been a learning experiance. Its surprising how little we need to get by.
 
I've pretty much settled into a routine pattern over the years for an EDC, the bottom knife...a 3 5/8" 897UH premium stockman. But I am intrigued by the minitureized knives made by many makers in the 1940's and 1950's. The top knife is a fully functional Imperial Midget from circa 1958. They made a whole line of tiny knives in many patterns.



It is amazing how much work can really be done with a tiny knife. Once, on a whim, I used an itty-bitty Craftsman pen knife to completely dress and butcher a deer. But as I mentioned, I EDC the stockman. I find it to be just the right size, with just the right blades for the tasks I tackle every day. Large enough to give some control and leverage, small enough to not look like a bananna in my pocket. I have enough of these discontinued knives put back to last the rest of my nearly finished life, and still have one for each of my children and grandchildren.

Codger :thumbup:
 
My Great uncle "Dutch" worked in the railyards in Chicago from the 1920's until the 1970's. He joined the Army for WW2 when he was in early 40's and saw only kitchen and desk duties but did it proudly. In his retirement he lived by his self until he was in his early 90's and then for the last 6 or 7 years of his life he stayed with my widowed mother and was able take care of himself fairly well until he contacted an aggressive cancer that took him very quickly and mercifully. When mom and I went through his personal stuff we found an old 2 inch Colonial knife with plastic pearl handles and a main blade a can oper and a cap lifter. It was quite evident that this knife had seen a lot use and was taken care of. All though small in stature it was the only knife that this man owned. It now see occasional "Church" duty on Sundays with me.
 
how small an item can be made but still function at its intended roll. Knives, guns, flashlights, optics.

I can related. After years of lugging around pounds of extra crap, it is good to "get small." Used to be a big Glock or 1911, large folder, a flashlight, etc. Now days it is more often a Kahr PM9; a Spyderco Ladybug; and, a tiny but very bright Fenix P1 light feeding on a rechargeable RCR123 battery. (www.fenix-store.com). I also get small with a LM Squirt and Arc AAA.

The Ladybug handles the vast majority of my needs.

a .22 Colt Woodsman

Just inherited one of these that has passed down the family tree from my wife's great grandfather. Still covered with decades of gunk and could use a good cleaning.


but there are more implements than keys. A photon flashlight, Victorinox classic on quick release snap, Bison aluminum whistle, bison aluminum capsule with Ibuprophen tablets for arthritus pain, and a sears keychain screwdriver.

You really need to check out www.edcforums.com. :)

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L-r: LM Squirt, Arc AAA, Atwood Wedgie 3.


cheers
 
I agree jackknife, 99% of the cases I have no use for anything bigger than my pocket knife. And I have never felt the need for pocket knives larger than 3 3/4. In fact, if they're smaller than that, making them more pocket friendly, I prefer it.

/ Karl
 
NOT for me. I have very large thick fingered clumsy hands, and those miniature knives are for all practical purposes unusable to me. 3-5/8'' folders are the minimum I will attempt to use, am much happier with 4'' to 4-1/2'' lengths, and my favorites are the folding hunter 5-1/4'', although those are impractical to EDC around town. Pull out a folding hunter and everybody's eyes bug out OMG he's got a KNIFE!!, but with the copperheads, stockmans, trappers, etc, nobody even bats an eye. In fixed blades, I like a knife that is between 7'' to 8'' overall length, with blades ranging from 3'' to 4-1/2''. Blades of 5'' or longer just become unwieldy in actual use, very clumsy and unhandy. Little bitty peanuts, etc, are novelties around here, nobody owns them except for collection purposes. Everybody has a trapper or a stockman IF they carry traditional; vast majority of people I see using knives these days are modern stuff, usually Chinese imports bought as cheaply as possible. :barf: For a long time, the only only two knives commonly seen in everyday usage around Alabama were Schrade stockmens and Case trappers. Virtually everyone owned at least one of those. I never found any use for the long spey blade, so I've avoided the trappers. Need to get me a Cheetah or similiar swing guard, like a large single bladed locking trapper. Bet it'd make a super squirrel skinner.:)
 
I've pretty much settled into a routine pattern over the years for an EDC, the bottom knife...a 3 5/8" 897UH premium stockman. But I am intrigued by the minitureized knives made by many makers in the 1940's and 1950's. The top knife is a fully functional Imperial Midget from circa 1958. They made a whole line of tiny knives in many patterns.



It is amazing how much work can really be done with a tiny knife. Once, on a whim, I used an itty-bitty Craftsman pen knife to completely dress and butcher a deer. But as I mentioned, I EDC the stockman. I find it to be just the right size, with just the right blades for the tasks I tackle every day. Large enough to give some control and leverage, small enough to not look like a bananna in my pocket. I have enough of these discontinued knives put back to last the rest of my nearly finished life, and still have one for each of my children and grandchildren.

Codger :thumbup:

Hey Codger- I had one of those 897UH's. It was a great knife, and I edc'ed it in my rotation many times. Now my son-in-law has it and loves it. Those are some of the nicest carrying knives out there. Nice rounded bolsters are easy on the pockets.
 
I've downsized too - realizing of course that these are
not "traditional" knives, but I used to always have an
Endura and or a Benchmade 710 with me. Over
the past year or so I've switched to a Delica and
Benchmade 530; and find it's all I need.

And a much easier carry, too.

Light is a Photon Freedom Light, the new version
with brighter LED.

(But...I do keep an Inova T3 and Endura in my
shoulder bag; which is just about always with me.)
 
A Fenix LOP-SE,and the very small Swiss army one bladed knife on my key chain,and a Benchmade 530 in my shirt pocket.On the weekends I replace the 530 with a Boker slip joint(just makes me feel right).
 
My dad carried a Victorinox Classic as his only knife for years and years. He would have to buy a new one every six months or so because he kept losing them. Nowadays, he EDCs a medium Eye Brand stockman that I gave to him last Father's Day.

When I was more into tactical knives, I thought the Vic Classic was a worthless little thing and didn't understand why someone would carry one. I eventually realized how handy it could be though and now I carry one myself on my keychain.

After my grandfather passed away several years ago, I got a pocket knife that he owned. It's an old Imperial peanut with white celluloid scales. The blades are almost black, but iridescent blue/purple colors are visible in spots.

My mom wasn't too clear on if the Imperial was bought by my grandfather or was originally owned by my great-grandfather. Unfortunately, I don't remember my grandfather ever carrying or using it. I would use it myself, but the pen blade is hard to open and the tip of the clip-point blade sticks out from the handle when it's closed.

My preference is still for medium/large knives; something with a 3 to 3.5 inch main blade. Bigger handles are easier for me to hold (especially with gloves on) and the longer blades are good for things like cutting bread and slicing open wide bags. I think I might try buying a new peanut though and carry it around a bit to see how it works.
 
I carried pretty big knives while I was in the Army. Typically it was a Buck 110, an Endura, or a Leatherman PST. I was a tanker so it seemed to fit right in, big guns and big knives.

After the Army I got a job in a newspaper facility and carrying big knives didn't really seem appropriate. I started carrying a SAK and that's pretty much what got me interested in smaller knives.

I now work in a government facility which has a 2.5" blade restriction. Fortunately I had been carrying and collecting small knives for several years prior to this job so the restriction had very little affect on what I carry.
 
I would use it myself, but the pen blade is hard to open and the tip of the clip-point blade sticks out from the handle when it's closed.

cerulean- You may try a few passes with a small file on the main blade's kick, that may lower the point down in the handle. This is not an unusual condition in old knives that have seen alot of use and sharpening. Take a few strokes and try it, if its still too high, take a few more. Go slowly.
 
i got really tired of my big heavy modern knives pulling my pants down to my ankles, and i didn't wear a belt back then, which got rid of the pouch option, so i gave up on them this past summer and got myself a little tiny slippie. i love how it is so light i forget it is there, and i like the traditional feel of it. hmmm....lets see here are the specs:

my slippie is a small bear & son. made from 440 (i couldn't tell you if it is A or C), a decent steel, with rosewood scales and nickel silver bolsters. i got it for $15 US at the local hardware store. it was not the knife i intended to buy, but when i opened the box, i decided that i would keep it. it is small, the blade edge is a little shy of 2 inches.

EDIT: i just realized that my knife is really just a case peanut knockoff without the smaller blade (ie: only the main blade)
 
I have followed a similar path with downsized knives. At one time I carried a REKAT Carnivore or a Benchmade Large Leopard; now it is an Old Timer Stockman or more frequently a William Henry T09 Kestral. The Kestral isn't a slipkoint but it is small with a blade length of only 2.125 inches long. Rarely do I need more pocket knife that that. I haven't replaced my CMG Ultra Infinity AA flashlight yet but I have been looking at some AAA flashlights.
 
I have taken to carrying a few different small knives recently, not all what you'd call a traditional slipjoint, but more like the modern equivalent of one.
In order, clockwise from the top, theres a Bark River Mikro Canadian with 1 3/4" blade, (I have two, this custom ivory handled one and a regular production model with blaze orange G10 scales), 3 Spydercos, a red bone Kiwi, a Cricket and a tiny neck chain sized Police model thats fully functional with titanium handle and a very sharp serrated blade, A Kershaw 1600, Mr Goodbar:D , another Spyderco, this one a mini Dyad, and a Buck mini tool.

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Here is another one of those tiny Imperials, this one still has a full blade,the original bail and the red flake shell coverings are intact.

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Last but not least, here is my wifes knife, a pink Lady Case Eisenhower pen knife

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Just went back and reread this post. Little knives rock. I too have been getting smaller and smaller, with m Peanut being the smallest one I own. It really IS crzy the amount of work a tiny little knife will get done. All it has to do is cut, I guess, so day in and day out, it need not be big, just sharp. Many a grandfather has owned a peanut or pen knife, and nothing else, and it worked just fine for them. Minimalism at it's finest.
 
Working my way down...

From daily carry of "tactical" knives I got back to carrying a stockman, now working in a canoe, a gunstock and small whittler. The change is a welcome one.

I will add that recently I had the chance to sit and swap stories with my friend's dad, a WWII Navy vet and an accomplished hunter and outdoorsman.

When the talk got around to knives he pulled out his well used and worn pocket knife. A small two bladed Schrade slippie.

I can't tell you how many times I've seen the same thing where the "old timer" had a knife that most of us (until we were older and wiser) didn't think was sufficiently worthy of pocket carry.
 
I think I'll stick with my single blade trapper. Too much shorter and it wouldn't be good at food prep. That and I have fairly large hands. The 3 1/4" stockmen just don't give me enough to hang on to.

Frank
 
Following in the footsteps of Jackknife, I'm going to try an experiment as well. I am going to try to see how my Leatherman Squirt P4 works out for me as my primary EDC knife. I hate carrying a knife in my pocket because I hate ANTHING in my pocket. The Squirt is on my Keychain. I ALWAYS carry a Leatherman Blast on my belt or pocket. I don't leave home without it. Back in the day, a man needed to have a knife. Nowadays, I am of the opinion every man should carry a multitool (always be prepared). Anyway, since I have the Blast, the big knife is covered. I am going to see how the Squirt works out for me. It's a little heftier then the Vic Classic, and I always hear people ranting and raving about how handy they are, so let's see how this works for me. How small can I REALLY get!?
 
I have a number of knife ads and catalog pages from the 1880s to 1920s. I would say that probably 80% of all the knives on those pages are 3 1/4" to 3 3/4" closed length. If all those folks back then who used knives regularly didn't need a huge blade, it really makes you wonder about the trend toward larger knives these days, especially with the tactical crowd. When it comes down to it, about the only time I really appreciate a 3"+ blade is when I am cutting fruit.
 
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