The Evil Slipjoint

[Dorito Monk]

I guess without all these idiots and disasters that you'll never make an error huh? Pretty dang good!

And oh, airbags and seat belts are relatively recent innovations which people have not been equipped with for a long time. So taking your logic further, seatbelt and airbags are not necessary because poeple have done without them for a long time

I won't deny - being as awesome as I am comes in handy that way How the rest of you folks get by without it I'll never understand.

Also: keep trolling, I don't think you've made a big enough fool of yourself yet. :thumbup:

 

[singularity35]

I won't deny - being as awesome as I am comes in handy that way How the rest of you folks get by without it I'll never understand.

Run out of strawman arguments already? It's down to schoolyard taunting? :thumbdn:

 

[Dorito Monk]

I don't think you've made a big enough fool of yourself yet. :thumbup:

Run out of strawman arguments already? It's down to schoolyard taunting? :thumbdn:

Hahaha, disregard that. You've DEFINITELY made a big enough fool of yourself.

 

[singularity35]

Hahaha, disregard that. You've DEFINITELY made a big enough fool of yourself.

Wow! take a load of this guy. Just because you say so, doesn't make it so.

But we seem to be out of topic. Tell my why we don't need locks on our knives.

 

[Dorito Monk]

Tell my why we don't need locks on our knives.

Why would I do that?

 

[singularity35]

Why would I do that?

Hahaha, because you can't?

 

[Dorito Monk]

Hahaha, because you can't?

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say anymore... try calming your excited little self down and constructing a sentence.

I'm not going to tell you that locks on pocket knives are unnecessary because I don't believe that to be the truth. Locking bladed pocket knives serve a perfectly legitimate function. Is this hard to grasp or something?

 

[singularity35]

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say anymore... try calming your excited little self down and constructing a sentence.

Then you need to work on your comprehension.

I'm not going to tell you that locks on pocket knives are unnecessary because I don't believe that to be the truth. Locking bladed pocket knives serve a perfectly legitimate function. Is this hard to grasp or something?

You really do need to work on your comprehension because that is what I have been trying to say. Then you come in with all your drama about trolling and stuff. LOL

 

[Dorito Monk]

You really do need to work on your comprehension because that is what I have been trying to say. Then you come in with all your drama about trolling and stuff. LOL

Really? Because so far, all you have done is whined, made useless trite remarks, and launched into series of useless trolling posts. If you had a half decent grasp of the language, you might have articulated your 'point' somewhere in all of that, if that was your intent in the first place - but no, you waited until you were fully into the swing of your trolling to go back and edit your post to reflect an argument that you never took the time to present before you launched into your tirade. Very classy.

"The point is, that your argument that seatbelts and airbags are third party insurance is a strawman. The second point is that seatbelts, airbags, and folder locks are insurance for when things go wrong no matter that you don't accept the fact that it is impossible for you to make a mistake. "

Interesting, especially considering I never made the argument 'that seatbelts and airbags are third party insurance' (as you put it) in the first place. All I did was point out that your equating a knife locking mechanism to life-saving safety features like air bags or seat belts on cars was nonsensical.

And I'm the one who needs to work on his 'comprehension'? Pretty funny, coming from the guy who didn't stop at putting words into my mouth, but went so far as to construct a whole argument that I never even hinted at.

I spoze I shouldn't be feeding the troll like this, in any case...

 

[singularity35]

Really? Because so far, all you have done is whined, made useless trite remarks, and launched into series of useless trolling posts.

Talk about whining and trite remarks.

Haha, that might be kind of witty, except I don't have to worry about drunk drivers, stupid buggers who fall asleep at the wheel, deer/moose running out in front of my car, morons who think using their cellphone while driving is perfectly safe, or someone going full-retard and crashing his/her motor vehicle into me ever time I operate my pocket knife. Maximum analogy fail.

Hahaha, are you for real? There's no way...

I won't deny - being as awesome as I am comes in handy that way How the rest of you folks get by without it I'll never understand.

Also: keep trolling, I don't think you've made a big enough fool of yourself yet. :thumbup:

Hahaha, disregard that. You've DEFINITELY made a big enough fool of yourself.

Why would I do that?

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say anymore... try calming your excited little self down and constructing a sentence.

Is this hard to grasp or something?

 

[Dorito Monk]

Talk about whining and trite remarks.

I thought as much. You don't have a point to make at all, do you? You're just trolling to get a rise out of it. Sad.

 

[singularity35]

I thought as much. You don't have a point to make at all, do you? You're just trolling to get a rise out of it. Sad.

There have been a lot of threads with the topic being the necessity of locks on folding knives. The only argument against locks that these threads offer is to use a knife correctly and locks will be unnecessary. Get that so far?

Let me put this in terms that even a comprehension challenged person will understand. Locks are a safety feature in case of any mistakes in cutting technique or any other unforeseen circumstance. This is my point and it is directly comparable to safety features that are relatively recent innovations in automobile technology.

The fact that you don't accept the analogy is fine, but just saying fail without giving sufficient arguments is not acceptable argument and cannot be covered up by juvenile talk.

 

[Dorito Monk]

Let me put this in terms that even a comprehension challenged person will understand. Locks are a safety feature in case of any mistakes in cutting technique or any other unforeseen circumstance. This is my point and it is directly comparable to safety features that are relatively recent innovations in automobile technology.

The fact that you don't accept the analogy is fine, but just saying fail without giving sufficient arguments is not acceptable argument and cannot be covered up by juvenile talk.

It's so cute that you keep accusing me of being 'comprehension challenged' when you still haven't wrapped your flustered little mind around my original statement.

That's fine and dandy, except you continually fail to recognize that automotive safety is largely dependent on outside factors. You understand what that means, right? Factors which a driver cannot control could endanger his or her safety. For example, a drunk driver could, of their own volition, crash into someone who is otherwise being perfectly safe. In such a case, the driver of the latter vehicle, although they were being perfectly safe, is put in danger through negligence of others and blind luck. That's why seat belts, crumple zones, airbags, etc. are always necessary - through sheer chance, anyone could be put in danger by factors beyond their control.

You can't seem to grasp the fact that knives are not like that in the slightest. If someone cuts themselves, it is no-one's fault but their own. That simple fact seems to have offended your delicate little sensibilities greatly (you've certainly gotten into a snit about me pointing it out), but no outside factors contribute to someone picking up a knife, using it unsafely, and cutting themselves when the blade folds on their hands. They, and only they, could have prevented the injury through safe knife use. Thus, locks are not necessary (as you have repeatedly implied by equating them to airbags and seat belts) for people who are capable of using their knives safely. People can and do, with great frequency, use knives without any sort of lock safely. This is not true about cars and their various safety measures, not by a long shot - no matter how many times you want to say it.

Surely some of that has finally gotten through to you. Then again, you've demonstrated a remarkable ability to ignore the blaring obvious thus far, so there's really no telling, is there, kiddo?

 

[singularity35]

That's fine and dandy, except you continually fail to recognize that automotive safety is largely dependent on outside factors. You understand what that means, right? Factors which a driver cannot control could endanger his or her safety.

You are the one who is conveniently ignoring the fact that the operator can make an error and have an accident? You are all about blaming factors which the driver can not control. You are not even accepting the fact that a driver can be the cause of his accident.

For example, a drunk driver could, of their own volition, crash into someone who is otherwise being perfectly safe. In such a case, the driver of the latter vehicle, although they were being perfectly safe, is put in danger through negligence of others and blind luck. That's why seat belts, crumple zones, airbags, etc. are always necessary - through sheer chance, anyone could be put in danger by factors beyond their control.

And a person using a non-locking folder may be doing his utmost best to be safe won't make a mistake?

You seem to be ignoring the fact that operator error can happen.

You can't seem to grasp the fact that knives are not like that in the slightest. If someone cuts themselves, it is no-one's fault but their own. That simple fact seems to have offended your delicate little sensibilities greatly (you've certainly gotten into a snit about me pointing it out), but no outside factors contribute to someone picking up a knife, using it unsafely, and cutting themselves when the blade folds on their hands. They, and only they, could have prevented the injury through safe knife use. Thus, locks are not necessary (as you have repeatedly implied by equating them to airbags and seat belts) for people who are capable of using their knives safely. People can and do, with great frequency, use knives without any sort of lock safely. This is not true about cars and their various safety measures, not by a long shot - no matter how many times you want to say it.

Oh but it's your little mind that cannot absorb the concept of a safety net no matter where the factor causing the mishap is coming from. The safety features on a car work equally well whether you or an outside agency is the direct cause of the mishap. In the same way that the lock on a folder will work to a certain extent when the very real possibility of operator error will rear it's ugly head.

Surely some of that has finally gotten through to you. Then again, you've demonstrated a remarkable ability to ignore the blaring obvious thus far, so there's really no telling, is there, kiddo?

It looks to me as if you are the one with selective perception, and that's usually the prerogative of children.

Fast track to whine and cheese.

The fact remains that both locks on folders and automobile safety feature both work to protect the user regardless of what the cause of the mishap is or where it's coming from. Obvious no?

The fact that there is a larger chance of an outside agency causing the mishap on a car than an outside agency causing a mishap on a knife user is beyond the point.

 

[Will Power]

To return to the OP's situation:

First off, the knife you gave was a VERY decent one indeed, a generous present indeed. If your girl-friend's OM can't appreciate that then he clearly knows zero about knives. I might not like certain styles of knife but I know enough across the board to know if a knife is decent or not.

Secondly, there's something wrong with this man.... He needs his head testing, Fancies himself as a hunter and Outdoorsman but doesn't keep a knife about him and knows nothing about the tradition of slipjoints??? Too scared to use one, well he's not being asked to hew down a tree with it I've not had a slipjoint close on me but I've been cut by them AND fixed blades due to my carelessness, nothing else.

There are Traditional styled knives with locks both back and liner if he really needs this. Ask for it back and get him a hatchet:thumbup: then you can raffle it off here as a giveaway or trade it for something you like, that way the knife gets into the right hands! He's lucky to have a generous man as his daughter's boy-friend.

 

[Peter Parker]

If it does your not paying attention or not using the knife properly or both!

 

[Burdan]

I had a liner lock fail on me while i was pushing the knife thru a thin piece of wood (i was using my small EDC to cut a hole in the back of my entertainment center for cables). i was pushing too hard and the lock slipped and nearly cut my fingers. i was lucky because i had enough of the blade buried into the wood so i didnt seriously cut my finger, just a little nick. It scared the crap out of me, i took it easy on that knife after that.

 

[dhaines]

I had a few Swiss Army Knives fail and almost cut me about a million times before I got fed up with those evil little slip joint monkies and started carrying a Ken Onion Leek
than than a CRKT Ken Onion Ripple,
Than a Sebenza,
now a 3" XM-18. How's that for forward EDC progression?

 

[BackwoodsBummin']

So my question is this: Has anyone ever seen a documented account of a knife accidentally closing on someone's fingers? Ever had it happen to you? A friend (not your brother-in-law's best friend's uncle's ex-girlfriend's brother, but someone with an actual name)?

I don't think it is near the concern that it is made out to be by all of the unsubstantiated "Be careful with that knife", and "I wouldn't trust that lock."

Agree? Disagree? Somewhere in between?

Whoa there folks!

This topic seems to have gone downhill fast. It was never my intention to start a "Lockblades are silly" thread. As stated in my original post, I carry a Benchmade AFCK daily. I also carry SAKs from time to time. I am not for or against locks.

My question,as seen above, was simply if anyone has had or knows of an incident involving accidental closure of a slipjoint.

I myself have never seen this happen in person. However, in light of the many posts in which the poster has been injured from an accidental closure, it would seem that my initial stance on the matter was somewhat mistaken.

Slippies do accidentally close.

While all of the incidents posted seem to be the admitted result of user negligence I can now understand my father-in-law's fear a little better. I'm still going to use my SAKs and I may go and buy myself a nice traditional slippie after handling the Northwoods.

I do not think the traditional design is flawed nor do I think locks are 'dumb.' Humans make mistakes. It's our nature. Hell, I still cut myself with my fixed blades from time to time.

 

[nothinghappenedtoday]

Funny thing, I've had friends almost cut their fingers while trying to close one of my locking knives, thinking it was a slip-joint.

I use both slip joints and locked knives. No matter the knife, I always treat it as if it's going to fail on me. That's why I never get cut or break my knives.