the great eastern crap shoot

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step right up and take a turn-you may get a decent piece and you may not-

i cant see these guys staying around for long -for first production knives from people in the trade its a shame what they are sending out-

they are made for our niche market yet they have a real lack of qc,and we are the pickiest of people to sell too,so word is spreading about the f&f they are offering-

mine will go into my personal hall of shame-so far its my schatt and morgan tiny toothpick that was horrid and now it has some company my tidioute bakote trapper-
 
I just got off the phone with a very polite lady at Great Eastern, about my knife. She apologized repeatedly for the problems I described to her and told me to send it back for repair or replacement.

Starting up a new company always has it's "slip ups", so I'm gonna give them a chance to make it right, before I write them off just yet, but it's apparent that they are having quality control problems that SERIOUSLY need to be addressed, before the early bad buzz hurts them to much.
 
mine will go into my personal hall of shame-
I think you should send it back with a detailed list of flaws. Let them know exactly what's wrong with their products and give them a chance to make it square with you.

...so I'm gonna give them a chance to make it right...
That sounds fair. Let us know how it works out.

it's apparent that they are having quality control problems that SERIOUSLY need to be addressed
They need to realize that people shopping in their price market are not going to be tolerant of loose blades, badly fitted parts, or flaws in material. Canal Street Cutlery needs to get the same message.

Best Wishes,
-Bob
 
i guess it to much to ask that its done right the first time in todays world-im sick of the "just send it back "crap-i know these guys arent the only ones-but with a brand new company the quality should be outstanding

my goodness they are marketing to guys & gals who collect knives,people who look over the new piece they get with a very keen eye-not the person who just buys some pos china knife at the flea market

ive had good luck with my 3 canal streets-
 
I have been eyeballing the Eastern line for a month now. After the reviews here and elsewhere I may skip over a purchase. You would think with two knife savvy owners they would know what their niche customers are expecting.
I did just buy two knives from U.S. Classics, another new company that I saw in Knife News. They were inexpensive, $18 each, so I'm not sure what to expect. Anyone here familiar with U.S. Classics?
 
I have been eyeballing the Eastern line for a month now. After the reviews here and elsewhere I may skip over a purchase. You would think with two knife savvy owners they would know what their niche customers are expecting.
I did just buy two knives from U.S. Classics, another new company that I saw in Knife News. They were inexpensive, $18 each, so I'm not sure what to expect. Anyone here familiar with U.S. Classics?


those are china knives-they call stuff names like that so you get confused-
 
I just re-read the ad. It says that the company is American, doesnt say that the knives are American. Oh Well, I've always said it cost money to go to school, I will just chalk this up to educational expenses. Gee I wonder if that could be a tax write off.
 
those are china knives-they call stuff names like that so you get confused-
That's true.

However, if it makes you happy to collect $18 knives of dubious quality rather than $80 knives that have nicer materials but occasionally shoddy QC, go for it. Personally, I think it's better to find a bargain than to try to "treat" yourself only to be disappointed. Plus, not everyone can or wants to spend $80 on a pocket knife.

FWIW, I've purchased one or two US Customs, but for more in the $3-7 range.

-- Sam
 
those are china knives-they call stuff names like that so you get confused-

That is certainly not a new trick. A 100 years ago, knives with names like 'US Knife Co' were imported from Germany for eg. Let us know how the tax write-off works out.:D
 
i guess it to much to ask that its done right the first time in todays world-im sick of the "just send it back "crap-i know these guys arent the only ones-but with a brand new company the quality should be outstanding

my goodness they are marketing to guys & gals who collect knives,people who look over the new piece they get with a very keen eye-not the person who just buys some pos china knife at the flea market

ive had good luck with my 3 canal streets-

Agreed. And even though I'm not against people sending it back and waiting out their quality issues, I feel that if you're offering a product geared toward collectors, then you need to start off with a bang.

Take my industry and most industries for example. If you start a restaurant and aren't prepared to hustle and get it right the first time or very quickly, then it can mean closing and bad reviews. Me and a few other chefs went to check out a new bakery that was supposed to be all the rave. We walked-in to see the baker sitting on his ass, very few desserts in the display, and his products were made with all shortening, including the frostings, etc. They closed within a month. I dunno... maybe it's a bad comparison.

Another thing that gets me it that knowing what we want in terms of quality is no secret. You can find such information by using the search feature here.
 
those are china knives-they call stuff names like that so you get confused-
Like Ohio Forge plumbing wrenches and Chicago Cutlery...

i guess it to much to ask that its done right the first time in todays world-im sick of the "just send it back "crap-i know these guys arent the only ones-but with a brand new company the quality should be outstanding
I absolutely agree. But if something needs to be sent back, you can't be shy about it.

ive had good luck with my 3 canal streets-
Mixed results from me. The Ring Opener is fantastic, but the Swing Guard was nowhere near as nice as AG Russell's, and Canal Street's cost more.

However, if it makes you happy to collect $18 knives of dubious quality rather than $80 knives that have nicer materials but occasionally shoddy QC, go for it. Personally, I think it's better to find a bargain than to try to "treat" yourself only to be disappointed. Plus, not everyone can or wants to spend $80 on a pocket knife.
Absolutely. With so many nice knives in the $20-$100 price range, no sense in buying anything that's junky, no matter where it was made.

Best Wishes,
-Bob
 
I'm curious... correct me if I'm wrong but it seems the Great Easterns are made in three different locations? If so, can the quality issues be traced to one or perhaps two? Or are all three to blame?
 
I think they're all made in the same place, but have three different brand names to distinguish between the classes of materials.

-Bob
 
Edited to add:

This is kind of a rant, but I don't mean any harm to GE. In fact, it is meant more for them to see than anybody else. It is not too late for them to establish themselves as a quality company with a quality product. First, though, it would require someone there waking up to the reality that they are blowing it big time. How could anybody there not monitor daily the forums and take the bull by the horns real quick to address the customer? I really do think we all want them to succeed, and the only reason I am compelled to write about this is out of disappointment, and to see if we can help them salvage (or create), a different image than what is being created.


It sounds like they could have avoided a lot of heartache simply by doing the QC and rejecting more knives. Several reviews rave about the fit and finish and the sharpness. I agree with Sierra. Most businesses are the same, mess up, especially at first, and see how quickly you lose your chance to win back the customer.

I also don't buy the "they're new, so messing up a little is to be expected." Yes, that is the average, but also, 9 out of 10 businesses don't last the first year, that is also an average. The ones that do understand that you only have one chance to make a first impression, and they are likely to have much more time to make better knives in the future, because they won't have the demand.

I think they should take these criticisms as very serious, in fact life threatening to their business. They should own up to it - the first round of these bad reviews hit just after they were released. Didn't they take notice and then make sure they tightened up the QC? I would have recalled every knife from the distributors and checked them...

I passed too on the first release, after being revved up enough about them to worry about getting a place in line and emailing Bill Horn. Then I read the reviews, and it was too much of a crap shoot for the money. They could even have still maybe won my business, but not now with the bad reviews still rolling in.

At this point, it is like their lack of attention to the customer has just soured the image of the company to me.

We all want this quality US company making premium quality knives. We all want the gap in the range between a Schatt and a Custom filled - $100 - $200, with no worries about fit and finish. No wobbles, no gaps, sharp, and steady and predictable. A company that would do that could clean up. It is obvious after i have been reading this forum that the one business opportunity was a company that had good QC. The variations in quality of production knives is rampant. This is what leads Jackknife to lament about how a Swiss company that makes a million knives a year can have such consistent quality, but a US company that is making far fewer and for more money can't do that. It is a little like national pride that makes me even care enough about this to write. What a great tradition the US had in production slipjoints that is now apparently holding on with only Queen and Canal.

The one response from GE that I saw was from someone at GE that mentioned how they had many untrained employees that would take time to become master craftsmen. That is a terrible bit of PR. It makes me think they are not a serious outfit.

Just as an exercise, how long do we think it would take to thoroughly check a knife? Visual inspection of f&f, 2 minutes (?), open each blade to check walk and talk and sharpness (2 minutes?). So say 5 minutes per knife, which is I think way conservative. Then, take 10,000 knives a year. I calculate about 3 hours a day for one person for a 5 day week and 50 weeks in a year. I don't know how many knives they are making, but my point is that even laboring for 5 minutes on each knife, it is still chicken feed in costs to do some QC.

Of course, it is not this that would cause a company to send out inferior product, it is the cost of rejecting and/or re-doing the inferior products. However, re-do the bad ones, calculate the cost to do that, and add it to the price. Maybe that would push it up to $90 instead of $80? Much smarter that way, since you will have repeat customers, and it really doesn't make a difference if its $90 or $80.

I wonder if they were under some real pressure to turn some cash flow, and so they just decided to dump whatever they had on the customer. If so, they just killed the sheep they needed to produce wool (every year).

This is meant to be constructive, in case any GE folks are tuning in (which one would hope they would be). We all want(ed) you to succeed! All that one can do now is to analyze the situation, so maybe GE can get on the road to recovery. Why don't they do what other companies do when they sell defective products? Take it seriously, perform a recall. Make a general announcement and apology and refund or replace any knife people want to send back. At least that would show that they are caring about the customer.

All of this may be moot. They could be in a financial condition bad enough so that they couldn't make good if they wanted to. Nothing else explains it to me.
 
when the first ones that came out had issues i thought the same thing,maybe they had to make payroll or something so they didnt qc anything-i figured the next ones would be good-oh well

when the bf member got the stupid rude reply from the guy at gec about getting service i should have stayed away and not given them another thought-oh well

and the send it back thing just costs me more money for a knife that i just bought-that makes me mad -send me a prepaid return box and fix the issue on your dime not mine-oh well
 
Sounds like they need to hire some of the laid off Camillus people to come in and straighten their act out.
 
A big part of the build up was that of a group of Master class craftsmen getting together to build American made, top quality knives. GE never said "We're going to build mediocre knives and charge high prices for them." A lot of expectations were set up. First production should have been absolutely fantastic. The very first issue IS what the company will be associated with quality wise. This was their chance to really shine and set a new standard. Had they done it, I don't doubt they would have claimed a loyal following.

I had heard that Taylor Brands was talking with them about producing a premium line of knives, maybe even with the Schrade label. Perhaps GE was just infected by association with Taylor of the idea that shoddy quality is okay.

Like everyone, I'm saddened and disappointed that GE has not lived up to the hopes and expectations of their build up.
 
Sounds like they need to hire some of the laid off Camillus people to come in and straighten their act out.
It sounds like they did hire some Camillus people. :eek:

-Bob
 
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