The Hinderer giveaway disaster

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The giveaway disaster

Here is my take; a few individuals are persistent in spoiling something fun, I know exactly what is going on, members that read between the lines know the real cause of the bashing. I’m stunned though about this type of behavior pushed by competition in the knife business.

All the happy members that received their knives in the past and posted their review here and some others on blogs and other places across the web are witnesses of Knives Emporium integrity.

Many thanks to all members that purchased knives and other goods from us and all the great reviews about our outstanding customer service and more good things, you’re the best. Thank you again.

For all members that were pleased we hope to serve you again.

Unfortunately I have to say that I have neither the time and desire to get further intertwined in bashing with accusation beyond reason from some.

All that because we give expensive knives away for free.

See more in the original thread.

We are aware that some jealousy is playing a part, human behavior. Some other knife businesses have bad mounted us unjustified in the past, most likely feeling not comfortable with our giveaways. Life is such and we are big boys, in business that’s the way it goes most of the time.

It’s a shame for a lot of other members missing out of a chance to win a nice knife, like many have acquired in the past from us.

Some comments below I made in the original thread.

Any member from Bladeforums that signs-up on our site and enters their bladeforums name is eligible, nowhere I have ever mentioned paid members only (this is not of our business), and that is what we did, read the opening thread specifically I have mentioned to add your bladeforums name and all info requested. All members that followed the instructions were in the draw.

As a reminder, if Knives Emporium gives away a Knife we make the rules and the rules can be read in the opening post of the thread.

I have asked in one of my replies that you all can see below not to spoil it for all the ones that like to participate in free giveaways (see below)

Guys don’t spoil it for the people that appreciate to have the chance to win a nice Knife; we have mailed out knives galore to members whichever members (gold members and others).

A gentlemen made a comment that the draw was not done the April 21 it was, we wait for people to answer (I mentioned that before).

Some bladeforums members signed-up for two giveaways, one for Facebook and one for the bladeforums Hinderer as a bladeforums member. Not too hard to understand in my humble opinion.

I’m not going to start a flame war, this is for me the end of the discussion, and again be assured the draw was done for bladeforums members only.

I wish you all best of luck in your further endeavors of life.
George
 
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Topcatpt said:
Great giveaway it is what it is sad to say but a lot of people suck that's what I have learned through the years being in law enforcement . It's hard to do but you can't let a few bad apples ruin it for the rest of the bunch. There is a lot of great people on here. And I'm sure they like me appreciate the chance to get a great knife in a giveaway.
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I agree in theory. My problem is with the winner first. An answer to the question above as well as George's thoughts on that particular matter interest me. KE owes me nothing, giveaways are usually great for the community. But when it is determined that the winner was a cheat, and the entity that "hosted" the giveaway seemingly doesn't care, it rubs people the wrong way. As I said in the other thread, there is an appearance of impropriety and perception is reality. It would be a good idea to at least acknowledge publicly that they condemn the behavior. Even if they do nothing more (maybe they already sent the knife to the "winner").
 
George,

Even though I did not enter and have no stake in the outcome, I'm just going to assume that you ran the contest in good faith. You offered up a helluva prize and it's a cryin' shame that a low-down dirty cheater soured what was to be a very generous gesture. Must feel like a kick in the teeth to hear the ingratitude of the ones who cry foul as though you had something to do with it (I suggest you close that trainwreck of a thread, by the way.)

And should anyone have evidence to the contrary, please take it to the Mods. They will handle it as they always do. Suspicion might be enough to launch an investigation but it certainly ain't enough grounds to ruin a fella's reputation, imo. Remember: this is Spark's house and we're all guests here.

Best regards,

-Timber
 
Thank you so much for running the give away. It was a very generous deed. I truly appreciate people like you who give back to the community. It's a shame that people are being so petty about this. I'm truly sorry for the way things has transpired. Once again, thank you so much for the give away and the opportunity to be part of it.
 
Make sure to read the initial thread prior to commenting. Already seeing comments here lacking perspective. We have many yet unanswered questions, winners within driving distance, fraudulent entries, copying Fort Henry's website, putting the BF Only entry link onto FaceBook, registered users included in the drawing who were not Members...

The BladeForum community was used for publicity, advertising and to gain a mailing base (that means you). It is still questionable as to whether there was actually a knife to give away even. Since the questions were not answered I will call this a fraud. George has become defensive and obstructive. That in no way signifies there are fair dealings with our community here.

Original Thread Here:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...er-XM-24-Winner-will-be-announced-on-our-site
 
So the winner was a cheat that had multiple accounts and is now banned. Surly he doesn't deserve the knife!

Your still giving the folder away are you not? If so when will the re draw be held?

(Unenter me from next draw please)
 
I didn't enter, and have no idea what happened. I must have thought you had to be on Facebook to enter.

Nice of you to do it though.

Maybe you can draw another name since the winner was banned for cheating.


edit- now I'm familiar with it. I would not run a 4 1/2 month give away. Thats a long time to promote your site and get alot of people to sign up at your place. I would do a much shorter one(like 2 weeks), and give away a lesser knife, or not do it at all.
I wouldn't sign up for a give away that took that long as it makes it look like its for promotion only, and not like you are doing it to give back to the BF community.
 
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Look, I think there are more than two sides to this whole ordeal. I have my own objections, but I'll get to those in a minute. There are two obvious sides: everything is on the up and up or you're a total scammer and awarding fake people dummy prizes. I'm personally not in either camp, not directly. do have my own concerns, though.

I'll just set aside the whole proximity of the "winners" issue. I can't know anything about that. And on the other side, I do think a lot of people that "don't win" are just going to be bitter.

My issue is, and has only been the self promotion. A giveaway is cool. Be it a company or an individual, it's a nice gesture. But you'll certainly understand that an individual that does a giveaway with no monetary investment in the process is different from a company that does a giveaway that requires people to visit the website they use to generate funds, right? And I am not saying the latter is an issue. Specifically, my issue is the longevity of the process. This giveaway is close to 5 months in the making—not quite half a year but more than a third of one of having your company thread bumped by both entries and you with a form letter to the front page of the most crowded forum to the most popular knife forum.

Yes, you want eyes—I get that. But do you think that 4+ months of non-stop promotion on a forum (following other similar events) isn't tiresome? and do you not see how such a long and sustained drive for self-promotion might confuse or even mislead people into the accusations of dishonesty that you're suffering now—assuming that everything is on the up and up. (I don't think that's unreasonable. I mean, how many people are members and don't post? How many more are just readers are not members at all? And how can you be responsible for trolls that will make multiple accounts trying to score off some community?)

I don't know if everything you did was legitimate, and I don't want to speculate. If it wasn't, I'll plead with you to just come clean and apologize. If everything was legit and you've just taken on the frustration of the community with some jerk scammer, maybe take this opportunity to reflect on everything else that you could have done better. If the only thing you do to interact with the community involves getting them to look at your commercial website, it's not unreasonable to expect people to call our motives into question, sir.

And in closing—it looks like a lot of changes have been made, but it does seem to me that you owe an explanation/apology for ripping off Fort Henry's website layout.
 
kniferbro said:
People on facebook don't have Bladeforums accounts....
If this was a Bladeforums only GA why would you advertise it...not on bladeforums?

Please explain this post, you have done nothing but run from it
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This would be a great question to be answered.

And no, I did not enter the giveaway.
 
I don't like how the giveaway went down. I didn't care if I won, I care about the forum which you appear to lack understanding. You still have not answered about the banned member out of all of this, but you also felt the need to start another thread bashing those with questions.

Don't give away another knife. Don't threaten BF members. How do I remove myself from your list?
 
zImsKee said:
This would be a great question to be answered.

And no, I did not enter the giveaway.
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Wrong a lot of our Facebook members have a bladeforums account, we made them aware just like we did on the bladeforums and also on other forums we made a similar statement we draw by the forum names thats why I asked in my opening post for all to type their bladeforums name i mentioned over and over again asking all bladeforum members to update otherwise they would not be in the draw.

I have mentioned before this works two ways more members for the bladeforums and more members for us, no one is obligated to buy or spent anything the same goes for the bladeforums, if you want to spent for a gold membership you can, no one is forcing you. The same with Knives Emporium.

George
 
knives emporium said:
I have mentioned before this works two ways more members for the bladeforums and more members for us, no one is obligated to buy or spent anything the same goes for the bladeforums, if you want to spent for a gold membership you can,
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I didn't enter, so I have no bone in this.

Why do you think it gets Blade Forum more members ?

It doesn't, and only caused some to make duplicate accounts, and the winner was banned for that.
If they have to already be here to see your promotion how is it going to get Blade Forum new members ?

This is separate from the Facebook one, so you would have to be here already to know about your promotion.
 
knives emporium said:
Wrong a lot of our Facebook members have a bladeforums account, we made them aware just like we did on the bladeforums and also on other forums we made a similar statement we draw by the forum names thats why I asked in my opening post for all to type their bladeforums name i mentioned over and over again asking all bladeforum members to update otherwise they would not be in the draw.

I have mentioned before this works two ways more members for the bladeforums and more members for us, no one is obligated to buy or spent anything the same goes for the bladeforums, if you want to spent for a gold membership you can, no one is forcing you. The same with Knives Emporium.

George
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I have no alligator in this pond. I am seeing a non sequitor here. You announce a give away on BF, but then also mention it on FB. There is no mention in the FB post that there is reference to a BF give away. You say all you have to do is register on Knives Emporium. So, it does not appear there was any link to BF in that FB thread. To make yourself look worse, your script above does not address this question asked by another member. Maybe (I am hoping) there is a logical answer here. I am not passing judgement either good or bad, I am just an outsider looking in and it piqued my interest.

Did you give away 2 knives? One for Knives Emporium entries, and a second knife for BF entries? If there was only one knife, how can you have 2 separate give aways?
 
Ken44 said:
I didn't enter, so I have no bone in this.

Why do you think it gets Blade Forum more members ?

It doesn't, and only caused some to make duplicate accounts, and the winner was banned for that.
If they have to already be here to see your promotion how is it going to get Blade Forum new members ?

This is separate from the Facebook one, so you would have to be here already to know about your promotion.
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Wrong, If you browse this forum and see you can win a Hinderer only if you have a bladeforum name you will sign-up here and then only then you will sign-up in knives Emporium you need a bladeforums name to be in the draw that's why I made this very clear in my opening post.

George
 
knives emporium said:
Wrong, If you browse this forum and see you can win a Hinderer only if you have a bladeforum name you will sign-up here and then only then you will sign-up in knives Emporium you need a bladeforums name to be in the draw that's why I made this very clear in my opening post.

George
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I don't think I'm wrong. If these people you mention only "browse" here what makes you think they won't just sign up and continue to only "browse" here?

Thats not helping BF one bit and only caused some to open a duplicate account.
Did you give the knife to the cheater that got banned from here ? You shouldn't.

I didn't enter, and won't argue it any further. You do what you want, but you should let people know if you are giving the knife to the cheater that got banned.
 
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