The Hunted

I thought that Tommy Lee Jones used a kitchen knife in the knife fight in Under Seige. In Under Seige 2 ehe bad guy uses a Mark II and Segal uses a Mad Dog...I think. -Lev
 
Originally posted by levs18
I thought that Tommy Lee Jones used a kitchen knife in the knife fight in Under Seige. In Under Seige 2 ehe bad guy uses a Mark II and Segal uses a Mad Dog...I think. -Lev
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SORRY THIS IS TOTALLY UNRELATED TO KNIVES BUT...

...is that a Luminox type Navy Seal diver's watch Segal is wearing in UNDER SEIGE?

The only other things I remember are the knife fight (thanks to those who i.d.'d the blades) and Erika Eleniak jumping outta the cake!

Yes, I'd like a second helping, please!

FTC
 
Originally posted by ichor
Wow! Different perspective? I'll say! The original thread described the killer in "The Hunted" as:

"The flick is about a soilder trained to kill that can't stop killing after his tour of duty is over."

What does that have to do with a former soldier minding his own business and harrassed, beaten, locked up and eventually tracked in the mountains for execution, have to do with a former soldier that can't stop killing?

And then you describe Rambo as "just another standard psycho in the woods."

Psycho in the woods? If someone had done to you what was done to him, while minding his own business, what would you have done? The only psychos in that film were small town, small minded, Nazi cops with no intolarance for a drifter with long hair stopping long enough to get something to eat.

Anyone that wants to lock me up, beat me up, or kill me is definitely going to have what you call a "psycho" on their hands. Your perspective of what is the appropriate behavior when someone is trying to destroy you, for no particular reason, seems somewhat different than mine.

John in Boise, just a former soldier minding his own business
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I agree with you...But Are you referring your references to the movie or the book...?

The movie was altered somewhat with the perception of the cops as was the ending...Troutman Kills John Rambo at the end...Being a filmaker, the "Hunted" doesn't look interesting at all, and considering the budget they got...the films gonna loose money at the box-office.

Brotherhood of the Wolf was crap, but I do like Only the Strong...

No one has talked about the last Zorro movie with Anthony Hopkins and Antonio Bandeares...Watch that film closely...it has some of the best sword choreography ever-done...why?, Cause u get to actually see it with out 45 cuts a second!...DP Phil Meheux pulled the camera back and u were able to see everything that was going on...very little stupid cutaways and closeups...
 
Since the beginning of this thread was about movies, that's what I assumed we were talking about. The book was, as you noted, much different.

John in Boise
 
Psycho in the woods? If someone had done to you what was done to him, while minding his own business, what would you have done? The only psychos in that film were small town, small minded, Nazi cops with no intolarance for a drifter with long hair stopping long enough to get something to eat.
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ichor,

There is an old saying from Africa.

"Stories of lions and lion hunting would be very different if told from the perspective of the lion."

If you take the First Blood Movie, and follow one of the State troopers (Instead of Rambo) the two films begin to sound similar.

As one of the state troopers you would never know that John Rambo had been mistreated by the local Nazi cops. You would not have been there. All you would know is that there is some guy running around the woods, that has already killed one police officer, and a couple of dogs, shot a dog handler, stabbed several other officers, has stolen a moter bike, has violently escaped from a police station....who currently happens to be running wild in the woods.

To a state trooper, knowing nothing else, Rambo is just a very dangerous nut.

The Hunted sound like it does just that. It follows the state trooper around, instead of following the Rambo character.

n2s
 
Yeah, right. There are always alibis and excuses for vicious cops just "doing their job". This is way off topic, so let's take it off list if you have further comments.

John in Boise, just a former soldier minding his own business and a police officer for 10 years.
 
I worked on The HUNTED as a knife technical advisor and knife fight choreographer with Tuhon Tom Kier.

My only comment is that the trailer merely hints at the knife sequences in the film. It is 2 percent of the action.

Those who enjoyed The Duellists, Exposure/UnderSiege, Last of the Mohicans, Sword of Doom and Lone Wolf and Cub films will most likely be fans of The HUNTED. These films are the standards we tried to live up to in the knife sequences.

No wire work, no flash for flash's sake, brutal moves and intense pacing. The knife is to be feared.

Hope you will enjoy.

--Tuhon Rafael Kayanan--
Sayoc Kali - not the past but the future.
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Tuhon Rafael,

I apologize for not mentioning your name with Tom's before -- I didn't realize you also were present on Bladeforums.

Congrats on the movie, and we look forward to seeing it.

Best,

Brian.
 
just read on another thread that the Sayocs did the knife choreography for The Hunted.

Metis
 
Hello Brian,

No apologies needed Brian and thanks for the congratulations!
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Metis,
Yes, Tuhon Tom and myself are both under the Sayoc Kali system.
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My comment on the 2 percent of the action might need clarification. I meant the action seen in the Trailer merely scratches the surface of all the knife related sequences in the film. There's tons of knife stuff in there. Hopefully, every blade enthusiast, kali or not will enjoy the film on some level.

best,
--Tuhon Rafael--
Sayoc Kali
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<<Just what kind of knife did they use in A High Art / Exposure, anyways? >>

The knives used for this film was a Randall Model 2 and a Kious SubHilt fighter. Just going from memory but it did feature the knives rather well .

--Rafael--
Sayoc Kali
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Tuhon Rafael,

Thanks for the information -- I saw the trailer, and I saw the Tracker Knife designed by Tom Brown and his early chief instructor, Steve Lee, a friend of mine. The new version of the knife was modified and improved by Mike Fuller of TOPS knives -- and it looked like that version was used as a prop in the movie trailer.

Were the knives featured props made by the prop crews of the film, or were they the aluminum versions supplied by TOPS for safe filming?

Just curious, as the one featured in the trailer looked like the newer TOPS version, but not quite sure.

Also, wondered if any Strider knives were also featured in the movie?

Inquiring knife-nut minds wanna know! :D

Thanks in advance,

Brian.
 
Brian,

The film crew used both a metal prop knife and several hard rubber props that were for safe handling and special effects. Each one had a purpose depending on the shot they required. They had a whole case of various metal ones I believe, but we tended to use them only for extreme closeups so we rarely handled them. They even had metal ones that retracted and some made especially for drawcuts, throwing and blood effects . The effects crew had their work cut out for them in this film.

For training the stunt crew and actors we gave them some rubber versions and also some aluminum Sayoc trainers of various shapes and sizes made by Edges2 so that they got accustomed to the movements and less on fixation on the blade design. They also respected the trainers since they didn't bend on contact, keeping their movements more honest. The black HUNTED knife is but one of several knives that is used in the film. I believe Tom Brown made other knives that is used by his trackers utilizing natural materials, primarily the knives used by Tommy Lee Jones.

Since the various knives were already designed and ready by the time I got on board the film, Tuhon Tom and I concentrated on getting the principles accustomed to fighting with a knife, choreography, handling, deployment and on safety.

Whatever they handed us we put to good use. We even toyed with a kerambit briefly but it didn't fit in the scheme of the film.

best,
--Tuhon Rafael--
Sayoc Kali
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No Striders were in the film. However, many practitioners in the Sayoc system highly recommend their blades!

--Tuhon Rafael--
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Mr. Rafael, the Kali site and the system looks great and has some great endorsements. I was wondering if you do any empty hand training or techniques with firearms? Chris
 
Originally posted by Brian Jones
Tuhon Rafael,

Thanks for the information -- I saw the trailer, and I saw the Tracker Knife designed by Tom Brown and his early chief instructor, Steve Lee, a friend of mine. The new version of the knife was modified and improved by Mike Fuller of TOPS knives -- and it looked like that version was used as a prop in the movie trailer.

Were the knives featured props made by the prop crews of the film, or were they the aluminum versions supplied by TOPS for safe filming?

Just curious, as the one featured in the trailer looked like the newer TOPS version, but not quite sure.

Also, wondered if any Strider knives were also featured in the movie?

Inquiring knife-nut minds wanna know! :D

Thanks in advance,

Brian.
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Brian,
I'm pretty sure the blade given to the props guys was a Beck. But I could be wrong. I know the prop and FX department made all blades used in the movie. They made steel, aluminum, plastic, rubber, retractable, blood pumpers, etc.

It was cool to see all the gimics they had.

Tom Kier
 
Cool -- I remember you'd said so, Tom. Just wondered what else was in the movie.

Blood pumpers eh? LOL! Any of that stuff be good for psychological warfare on the street? :D
 
Gun,

Yes, the Sayoc Kali curriculum covers all aspects of tactical engagements. Many of our instructors have experience not only in FMAs but in LEO tactics, military, grappling, and just about every martial arts empty hand system out there. Our methods can be incorporated with any system or stand alone.

Stay tuned to the Sayoc.com site for announcements of involving gun (retention/backup/primary/tactics against) related seminars or training groups.

Tuhon Tom Kier is our representative in the Tactical areas so if you want to get a specific reply about events etc. you can ask here or at the sayoc site.

best,
--Tuhon Rafael--
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Originally posted by GunzHot
Mr. Rafael, the Kali site and the system looks great and has some great endorsements. I was wondering if you do any empty hand training or techniques with firearms? Chris
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Yes, we teach Combat shotgun, pistol, rifle sub-gun, and precision long range rifle.
Also team tactics, dynamic room entries, shooting from vehicles, VIP protection, weapon retention, etc.

We have Instructors from SEAL teams, SWAT teams, FBI, Marines, Local PDs, and world class competition shooters. Much of this material is found in the Sayoc Tactical Systems curriculum.

As far as empty hand, yes we have a lot of empty hand training in the system. We also have stick, whip, staff, spear, sword, all types of projectiles, grappling, various striking sub systems, etc.
The art has been actively developed for well over 100 years, so there is a lot of information, although Tuhon Chris C. Sayoc is focusing on mostly blade for the public, because of the volume of information.

We really try and cover the bases.
 
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