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i liked the movie, and match it every few months. i just think the tom brown knife is the wrong choice for the movie. but its hollywood, and and they needed something big and beefy i guess.
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What would you have picked?
Well, the second one del Toro conveniently and quickly made! Looked half-way decent and a whole lot simpler than the Tracker knife
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i would have went with something that had better grinds personaly. im not trying to step on anybodys toes here that might own a tom brown. Im not saying its a bad knife just not my choice for his hunting people aplication. I would have picked something more like a becker or rat knife but thats just my personal opinion. better flat grinds on both knives to get a much cleaner cut, and both have a tip for peircing. They both would lend them selfs better to his style of fighting. its hard to stab sombody in the lungs with a knife that more a less acts like a hatchet. like i said the tom brown may be a very nice knife for out door use, i just dont think it was the right choice for knife fighting is all. but thats just my .02
im sure some ones gona ask if i can back up my ideas. All i can say is ive been teaching martial arts and knife fighting for many years now, and ive been an avid out doors man for even longer. I often find that the knives i like best for fighting and defencive roles are not the same that i like for camping and chopping out doors. as i said i dont claim to be an expert in the matter and im sure others will feel diffrently its just my opinion.
im sure some ones gona ask if i can back up my ideas. All i can say is ive been teaching martial arts and knife fighting for many years now, and ive been an avid out doors man for even longer. I often find that the knives i like best for fighting and defencive roles are not the same that i like for camping and chopping out doors. as i said i dont claim to be an expert in the matter and im sure others will feel diffrently its just my opinion.
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Actually, IIRC, it's a Beck WSK, not a Tracker. Similar, but some differences.
Let's face it: it's a movie, they picked it because it looks cool.
Let's face it: it's a movie, they picked it because it looks cool.
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never mind the beck WSK , i`m more interested to know what the knife he used to gain acces to the tram was
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The Kabar would have been better suited for use on people. The WSK/Tracker is a fairly specialized knife. I don't have a desire to own one but always like reading about people using them.
The mantraps in the movie would have been impossible for one man to construct in that short of time and might have been, in the case of the log, too large for one man to lift into the trees via rope without pulleys. I mean, the cordage he would have had to make for the stuff would have taken hours as it is.
A lot of people think the Malyan Whip in "First Blood" was B.S., but you can actually make one of them, but when you start talking about fire-hardened sticks being mounted into the ends of logs and the logs hoisted up into trees...
The conference with the FBI SAICs near the end was a rip-off of Teasel and Trautman from First Blood with actress Connie Nielsen playing the part of Sheriff Teasel, her dead partner playing the part of Teasel's dead partner, Art Gault. Tommy Lee Jones played Col. Samuel Trautman. That part of the movie, that exchange, even had the rip-off line about needing a lot of body bags. I like The Hunted, except for the cheap rip-off of First Blood and the lunacy of those traps. I understand there has to be time compression but there is not an entire day's worth of work in them, it is days.
The mantraps in the movie would have been impossible for one man to construct in that short of time and might have been, in the case of the log, too large for one man to lift into the trees via rope without pulleys. I mean, the cordage he would have had to make for the stuff would have taken hours as it is.
A lot of people think the Malyan Whip in "First Blood" was B.S., but you can actually make one of them, but when you start talking about fire-hardened sticks being mounted into the ends of logs and the logs hoisted up into trees...
The conference with the FBI SAICs near the end was a rip-off of Teasel and Trautman from First Blood with actress Connie Nielsen playing the part of Sheriff Teasel, her dead partner playing the part of Teasel's dead partner, Art Gault. Tommy Lee Jones played Col. Samuel Trautman. That part of the movie, that exchange, even had the rip-off line about needing a lot of body bags. I like The Hunted, except for the cheap rip-off of First Blood and the lunacy of those traps. I understand there has to be time compression but there is not an entire day's worth of work in them, it is days.
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Bushman>>
If you'll recall, in one scene they open the trunk and it has a knife design in it that Del Toro's character has modified.
In a flasback sequence it shows them knapping out blades and then TLJ's character showing how to forge a blade.
In the final sequence TLJ is knapping out the stone counterpart to the makeshift blade that Del Toro's character forges from a leaf spring.
As far as the knife choice, there is a part about it in the special features if you have the dvd. They interview Tom Brown, Jr. if I recall correctly. He was a technical advisor for the movie on tracking and survival. He also talks about the knife. He says it's not a knife for those who know how to use it correctly, it's a "machine". Fillet blade and drawknife on one side, saw edge on the other. If I'm not mistaken, TBJ actually gives credit to the WSK and then goes on to say that he refined it or some such.
It's been awhile since I watched the special features, but that was gist of it.
Good movie.
Zombie>>
2nd generation Kabar. The one with the black poly handle. If I'm not mistaken he uses two: one in an earlier scene that he sticks into an agent's throat via throwing and the other to get into the train. Both with black coated blades.
I actually made it a point to pause my dvd and go frame by frame to see what kind. I'm that much of a knife nut I guess!!
This isn't the exact one, but it's close enough.
If you'll recall, in one scene they open the trunk and it has a knife design in it that Del Toro's character has modified.
In a flasback sequence it shows them knapping out blades and then TLJ's character showing how to forge a blade.
In the final sequence TLJ is knapping out the stone counterpart to the makeshift blade that Del Toro's character forges from a leaf spring.
As far as the knife choice, there is a part about it in the special features if you have the dvd. They interview Tom Brown, Jr. if I recall correctly. He was a technical advisor for the movie on tracking and survival. He also talks about the knife. He says it's not a knife for those who know how to use it correctly, it's a "machine". Fillet blade and drawknife on one side, saw edge on the other. If I'm not mistaken, TBJ actually gives credit to the WSK and then goes on to say that he refined it or some such.
It's been awhile since I watched the special features, but that was gist of it.
Good movie.
Zombie>>
2nd generation Kabar. The one with the black poly handle. If I'm not mistaken he uses two: one in an earlier scene that he sticks into an agent's throat via throwing and the other to get into the train. Both with black coated blades.
I actually made it a point to pause my dvd and go frame by frame to see what kind. I'm that much of a knife nut I guess!!
This isn't the exact one, but it's close enough.
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As per the OP's question believe it was Chert.A low grade flint as it's described in the special features.
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Zombie>>
2nd generation Kabar. The one with the black poly handle. If I'm not mistaken he uses two: one in an earlier scene that he sticks into an agent's throat via throwing and the other to get into the train. Both with black coated blades.
I actually made it a point to pause my dvd and go frame by frame to see what kind. I'm that much of a knife nut I guess!!
This isn't the exact one, but it's close enough.
The thrown knife is not a Kabar. I don't know what it is, but it isn't a Kabar. It might just be something the Prop Master manufactured, I don't know. The Tracker Knife has the smaller, companion blade, The Scout. Perhaps this is the smaller, companion blade to the original WSK...I don't know.
Flying through the air...
Slightly off topic but i noticed the teraasekeskus.com logo in that pic.Bushman>>
If you'll recall, in one scene they open the trunk and it has a knife design in it that Del Toro's character has modified.
In a flasback sequence it shows them knapping out blades and then TLJ's character showing how to forge a blade.
In the final sequence TLJ is knapping out the stone counterpart to the makeshift blade that Del Toro's character forges from a leaf spring.
As far as the knife choice, there is a part about it in the special features if you have the dvd. They interview Tom Brown, Jr. if I recall correctly. He was a technical advisor for the movie on tracking and survival. He also talks about the knife. He says it's not a knife for those who know how to use it correctly, it's a "machine". Fillet blade and drawknife on one side, saw edge on the other. If I'm not mistaken, TBJ actually gives credit to the WSK and then goes on to say that he refined it or some such.
It's been awhile since I watched the special features, but that was gist of it.
Good movie.
Zombie>>
2nd generation Kabar. The one with the black poly handle. If I'm not mistaken he uses two: one in an earlier scene that he sticks into an agent's throat via throwing and the other to get into the train. Both with black coated blades.
I actually made it a point to pause my dvd and go frame by frame to see what kind. I'm that much of a knife nut I guess!!
This isn't the exact one, but it's close enough.
Love that freakin site!
If anybody ever wants to see good pics of a particular knife thats a good place to looks.
I always think of Europe as having stricter knife laws but they have an insane variety of knives at that site.
Wish they were in my neighborhood,lol.
Every-time i do a google image search for a knife they are always on the first page.
Ok back on topic,lol!
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You got totally out-geeked by Don Rearic
I didn't like the hand to hand combat scenes that much. The last knife fight scene was good though. I love the part when Tommy has Antonio's knife welding hand locked, Antonio drops the blade and catches it with his free hand. I thought that was cool.
I felt most of the movie was just way too over-done though. I liked first blood so much more. Rambo did things that were doable and he wasn't, until the ridiculous sequels, made into a super hero. He just sort of squeaked by because of his training and willing to work through pain. In the Hunted, both the hero/villian were made into superheros. The business of tracking at 3/4 full speed runs under city conditions was dumb. The set-up of making the knives on the fly was dumb. Its pretty obvious that the screen play wrote this idea up as their first thought and came up with a dumb plot set up to work it in.
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Tuhon Kier and Tuhon Raphael, the Sayoc guys who did the knife fighting in the movie wanted to use kerambits the way i understand it for the fight scenes but Tom Brown wanted the wsk in the movie instead.
the wsk would be a horrible weapon imo with that snagging edge on it. one thrust and it would hang up but like others said it is a movie.
Most of the film was shot in the western portion of the Pac NorthWet and many scenes in Oregon. The water scene is near Oregon City. Anyway I'm not aware of any natural deposits of flint in this region. We have a lot of basalt and round river rock. Obsidian is prevalent on the eastern side of the Cascades and was traded to the western Indians but it is not indigenous to the region where the film was made.
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You got totally out-geeked by Don Rearic
I didn't like the hand to hand combat scenes that much. The last knife fight scene was good though. I love the part when Tommy has Antonio's knife welding hand locked, Antonio drops the blade and catches it with his free hand. I thought that was cool.
I felt most of the movie was just way too over-done though. I liked first blood so much more. Rambo did things that were doable and he wasn't, until the ridiculous sequels, made into a super hero. He just sort of squeaked by because of his training and willing to work through pain. In the Hunted, both the hero/villian were made into superheros. The business of tracking at 3/4 full speed runs under city conditions was dumb. The set-up of making the knives on the fly was dumb. Its pretty obvious that the screen play wrote this idea up as their first thought and came up with a dumb plot set up to work it in.
yup.
middle-aged man keeping up with wolf running in snow. getting wolf to not savage him as he removes leg trap and puts some poltice on it. jeez, Tommie.
City hunt was just absurd.
Hit-men sequence=absurd. Throwing the only weapon deltoro had=absurd.
knife fights were actually pretty well choreographed. Two ways to leave knife fight.
hunt along river from city=absurd. Running down public transit=absurd
Setting up a smithy as deltoro escapes=absurd
sheer amount of cordage=absurd.
Casting of deltoro at all, stupid.
What could have been a GREAT contest of mentor and student turned into a poorly done, cast, and directed melodrama with a creepy anti-hero (see the bunny tracks? uggghhhh!!!)
and the letters/correspondence "element"? jeez Tommie.
Had the potential to be a really terrific outdoorsman/survival film, with enough drama and danger for anyone.
My fault. I looked forward to an excellent movie starring TLJones.
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Don't blame the actors for the screenwriters. del Toro is a great actor as far as I'm concerned.
Everything else...is what it is.
Everything else...is what it is.
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I agree with Kismet, except the part about Tommy Lee. I was looking forward to a great movie - it was great, all right - greatly disappointing.
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