The inquisition resumes in Europe?

munk said:
The point of Danny's observation is not that a nation doesn't have the right to pass it's own laws, but that at some point, if those laws violate universal principles, something is truly wrong.
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Many of us try to remain blissfully unaware that if you get on the wrong side of certain polititians you can be jailed in the US for your opinions. It's not supposed to work that way, but due to the "universal principles" of human nature, sometimes it does. We have our abstractions and our ideals, and many of them are noble. However, it pays to be aware of the potential hazards while on this earth.

richardallen said:
Kinda OT, every time I fly to the US I am being questioned if I took part in the Nazi Crimes. I suppose if you mark 'Yes' they will not let you enter the US.
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he he he... Red Flower has to answer all these questions every time she fills out another pile of Dept of Homeland Security paperwork. Now they've probably got 42 sworn statements that she didn't participate in Nazi war crimes decades before she was born, and a similar number of assurances that she won't commit terrorist actions in the US. This is how the DHS picks the "low hanging fruit" of threats to our nation. I'm sure they capture most potential terrorists when they admit on the form that they are coming here to the US to blow up a building. It is only the most astute terrorists and Nazi war criminals who get by the cleverly crafted questions on the DHS forms.
 
I've always enjoyed the question on the 4473 gun form asking if you are a person who with US citicenship has chosen to renounce that citicenship.

munk
 
I do not agree on having a law to govern against the freedom of thought and speech.

But as Norm had mentioned about the japanese's view on the pearl harbour and the invasion of China and the Nanjing "incident"......And as DIJ had pointed out that the normal japanese population is actually not too well informed about that either.......

What I am thinking is, if there is a collective effort being implied to erase that part of history........that is wrong.....but still I think no laws shall be set to govern that.
 
I remember hearing that Japan passed a law that required all their "incidents" during World War II to be taken out of all History Books in their school system.

This is one reason the Koreans and them don't get along. The Koreans want to acknowledge what went on, and the Japanese want to cover it up.

The only thing you will ever learn from studying history is that we never really learn anything.
 
DannyinJapan said:
That's unacceptable.
If people want to say racist things, thats their business.
If someone is violent, you charge them with the laws already in place regarding violence.
What you do not do is create laws forbidding free speech in order to target and persecute a certain part of the population.

Shall we make it illegal to speak in Ebonics?
Imagine....
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there's a large and growing movement it seems to make many things more PC (that's politically correct) in many forms of media.

take disney for instance. they have this old movie called "song of the south". they're desperate to keep it hidden and underground and not mentioned HERE, but apparently you can still buy it in other countries, especially europe and japan. so, it showed a slice of history, though a bit too sappy like, that isn't a proud moment, and is quite volatile. they still have "brere rabbit" at the parks though.

simillary is ted turner and his network. they outright remove and snip things from what they own, self-censorship. anything that isn't correct, or puts a slur onto some group, race, concept... gone. they like colorizing too.

there's nothing new with revisionist history. just look around. however, apparently austria made it illegal, and can enforce it on a british citizen? how'd they get him to convict him? was he visiting? bad move. then again, there are a few high level US citizens that can't ever visit europe. they'd be detained (war crimes iirc). yay.

bladite
 
Just some thoughts to ponder -


Is it free speech to shout 'Fire' in a crowded theatre? (I have no idea.)

Does free speech allow you to critize the president? (It does, but be prepared that your wife's cover as a CIA agent will be blown up by the vice president.)

Does free speech allow you to make jokes about bombs on an airport? (Nope, it doesn't. You'll go to jail for that.)

What I am trying to say is - you can paint your living room with swastikas as much as you want, if you do this in public you're in trouble. You can spread your lies about the Holocaust as much as you want, but if you do this in public -> trouble.

regards, Keno
 
I understand your point Keno, and it's something the Japanese dont understand either.
The choice.
The choice that Americans made when they created America.
every society muct choose between Freedom, Order (safety) and Equality.
We chose then and choose still, freedom.
 
We used to have freedoms here. I question that - if you can jail someone - an American citizen - or anyone else - without bringing the person to trial or bringing charges in a court of law.

We used to value freedom in the U.S.A., but I don't know how much longer that will continue.

I still can not figure out why we would turn our port operations over to a company owned by a foreign government, and one that supports radical Islam.

Can't make any sense out of that.....

Other than money can buy anything here.
 
Arty,
you dont know what you've got.
people in many countires like Japan dont even question the fact that their boss can tell them if they can or cannot own and drive a car.
there are worse examples....
 
I agree - I just don't want our country to lose it's freedoms.
I value the constitution and I want us to continue to value it.

I also don't want us to sell our port operations to a company that is owned by a foreign country. The Port Operations - of Dubai - used to employ our Sectretary of the Treasury. That is not a good reason for us to turn over port operations to the United Arab Emirates.

I also agree that people should be able to express their views, even when I don't agree with them. But, I am more concerned with freedom at home than in Europe. I don't want people in our government to be able to conveniently monitor this forum, for example, without court authorization - even if retroactive as it is right now.
 
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