The journey so far; Lessons learned, niches discovered, and questions that remain!

I can definitely relate to most what you said. I also though that most traditionals have blades that are, you know, 'too small'. I changed my mind once I realise that my small Sebenza (at that time my only real pocket knife) is large than enough when it comes to blade size and once my Southard Tolk arrived I realized that that blade is going to be of no use to me (3.7"). Now I am a happy owner of 3 traditional knives - the 2015 forum knife having pretty much ideal size of the blades. And yes - the knives are cute and non-threatening - I got entirely different reaction to my Northwoods Willamette or 2015 forum knife than to small Sebenza at work (office). And concerning the lock? I was so unsure about not having one at first. But the more I use the knives the less I miss it. There are surely tasks where lock is sensible, but that usually means some heavy duty - something traditional folders are not meant for in the first place.

And the folks around here truly are a very kind and helpful bunch. So - what's not to like here :)
 
Email sent.. John

I never got an email from you! It's been a good six hours now. My email is leonard spock at g mail (dot) com

(I broke it up to avoid automatic email gathering bots.)

Awesome post. It's been fun watching you progress from "What's the biggest blade I can possibly buy on a traditional?" to genuinely enjoying the elegance of a typical traditional blade.

Honestly, I was surprised at how much I came to appreciate smaller blades. It's been fun EXPERIENCING the change! I find myself pretty content with my assortment of modern locking knives, and now I have this strong desire to have a traditional knife to match each one... I'll have to explore the brands you mentioned in the rest of your post (omitted for the sake of brevity) and I appreciate hearing from someone who was in the same position not too long ago.

I think I'll wait until I'm pretty comfortable and a bit more well-rounded in my knowledge and experience before I branch out into other brands. Queen / S&M has a few that interest me, and Case has a catalog of models that is so extensive that I couldn't even begin to muddle through it yet. Not being a collector (in that I either use or sell my knives - no safe queens! No safe, either...), I'll have to do a lot of looking around and gathering of knowledge so I can make some wise choices from the get-go. Something tells me I'm in the right place to get that kind of information and experience :)

One thing I've come to appreciate -very- quickly is how personable the GEC distributors are. More often than not, I can just chat with them directly - which means that ensuring a mechanically sound knife is just a brief exchange away. I've just yet to build up to that! Anxiety issues, man, they're weird.


Some really great photos kamagong

For real. I dig that "primary carry," from the patina to the very intricate stag. Also, if someone showed up to my place with that "for social visits" setup, I would immediately know who I would be talking to for the majority of the visit :D

Never let go of your first knife Comeuppance :) I'm glad to see you've settled down nicely here.

It's basically irreplaceable - aside from it being my first traditional knife, it has the same dimensions and blade as the knife in the picture that got me started on all this in the first place, AND it's a sort of unofficial limited run with brass pins and liners. It would take a lot for me to trade or sell that... More than anyone would bother to offer, so it's pretty damned safe :)

Besides, it's a knife I only came to through the help of you guys. How could I ever part with it? It had sentimental value before it even arrived.

Considering you're no stranger to modern knives made by Reate with excellent fit and finish and the cost that comes along with them..(that's as much as I will discuss moderns here ;) ) I would suggest you branch out sometime into customs. There are some makers I think that would be right up your alley.

THAT is going to take some working up to. I'm still in the trial and error phase of figuring out what I like and don't like - but, I'm pretty sure it's an eventuality... I think I'm going to be looking for a long-pull clip point with pinched and lined flat bolsters and butt caps (much like the Washington Jack) with something akin to abalone - but in a rich, dark blue or purple, with brass pins and liners, in CPM154, VG-10, or something along those lines. I could just go crazy and have the bolsters made out of Zirconium to top (and bottom) it all off... That's a ways down the road, though, financially. I still have to make sure I have enough for emergency expenses, sending my parents off on that couples retreat I gave them for Christmas, rent, an upcoming move, a new computer and external HDs... Man, I should start donating plasma.

I like Case, many of their vintage knives are the one's people on her used in the past or their parents did as well. Nice fit and finish and jigging. For the price though from the dealer/first hand market..you won't be getting better than GEC in my opinion. It's hard to top without spending a bit more.

Of course, dress knifes are generally my customs, beater..I cannot recommend an Opinel no. 7 enough. Convex edge and thin stock make it the best buy you'll ever get for 10$ sub.
That or a farm and field bullnose in micarta. I personally like a custom frontpocket bowie by Gene Wiseman, one of my favourite users that I use to break down cardboard and misc.

I STILL haven't owned or handled an Opinel. I'll have to add that to the list to look at those if the delrin bull busters don't work for me! Thank you for reminding me of those - I've been eyeing a Opinel #8 Garden Knife and a Slim 8 in Bubinga for a bit now. I'll probably grab one of those and a Mora in the same go-around.
 
I have found the following niches to be very aesthetically, functionally, quality satisfying: CASE pre-1980 folders, REMINGTON RH fixed blades pre-1941(Pal), Schrade Walden folders pre-1960 (pre-Delrin plastic), pre-1947 Schrade Cutco folders, any one of about two dozen American cutlery offerings from before WWII, all CASE/BOSE collaborations, any Randall or Ruana fixed blades. With the exception of GEC/Tuna Valley, and Bark River, I am not impressed with current offerings. I am especially offended by knives from China, and I have been instructed to 'not go there.' This is obviously a heavily-biased opinion, but it is not without some logical reason. Your mileage can and will vary. Welcome to the pathology!
 
I can definitely relate to most what you said. I also though that most traditionals have blades that are, you know, 'too small'. I changed my mind once I realise that my small Sebenza (at that time my only real pocket knife) is large than enough when it comes to blade size and once my Southard Tolk arrived I realized that that blade is going to be of no use to me (3.7"). Now I am a happy owner of 3 traditional knives - the 2015 forum knife having pretty much ideal size of the blades. And yes - the knives are cute and non-threatening - I got entirely different reaction to my Northwoods Willamette or 2015 forum knife than to small Sebenza at work (office). And concerning the lock? I was so unsure about not having one at first. But the more I use the knives the less I miss it. There are surely tasks where lock is sensible, but that usually means some heavy duty - something traditional folders are not meant for in the first place.

And the folks around here truly are a very kind and helpful bunch. So - what's not to like here :)

Aye - it's only with this recent experience that it becomes clear why so many people here carry a traditional folder and a fixed blade. If it requires just light cutting, use the traditional. If it requires a lock, skip the lock and just use a fixed blade.

People definitely react very differently to the different types of knives. When I was excited about my new 0452CF, people were impressed with the knife but clearly a little standoffish about what was in front of them. I show them the Northfield, and they're genuinely fascinated by it without any hesitation.

While I don't choose my knives to impress others, it's nice to be able to share my enthusiasm with others without 50% of them recoiling slightly when I open the knife.
 
Another lesson learned... I did not know the depths of the generosity kicking around in this forum. A member (who will go unnamed unless they choose to identify themselves - which they should because they deserve the recognition for such an incredibly generous act!) is sending me the most incredibly perfect knife because they saw I was looking for a beer scout. This is a custom-made version, made prior to the offering of the beer scout:

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It's so amazing and incredible - both the person, this community, and the knife. I look forward to when I have more opportunities to share the generosity I see around here, and to spending many years with that knife and this forum :)

I've never had irreplaceable knives before, and now I have one in my pocket and one en route, with two more that are working up to that status. I feel like I'm risking beating the sentiment into the ground with how much I keep saying it, but, much more irreplaceable to me is this group of fine folks.

All because of non-locking folding sharp things. Who could have guessed?
 
I bought a Small Moki Kronos, made in Japan. it is a 3-3/4" long lockback with a real useful blade shape, with VG10 steel. It came shaving sharp. The fit and finish is excellent. The large Kronos I think is 4-1/8". I've never seen a picture on the net that did them justice.
 
This is sort of like swimming with keys. 300



Buck Clipper 305 pink delrin and jigged bone , both discontinued. Regular 305 still going strong.
 
same here! well i dont have as many knives as you do, but when I first showed up on the porch it was always GEC this, GEC that, and Queen isnt so good, and Schatt and Morgan isnt so good. But after branching out a bit, I own more Schatt and Morgans than I do GECs!

I had a thing against Case for a while because of the hit or miss rep now I'm not sure exactly how many I have I'd have to count them. I do have a few GEC's as a matter of fact just bought a #25 off of the exchange this afternoon. I also have several Queens but no S&M's. Then there's the old USA made Schrades, Camillus, Imperial and so on. There was a time after coming from moderns I laughed at a Rough Rider for $15 or less now I have a ton of them. I guess what I'm saying is there are so many knives, patterns, brands and so on you can spend a lifetime in traditional knives and never get bored with the possibilities.
 
I had a thing against Case ... the possibilities.

there was a time when I balked at spending money on a Case knife and this was just a case slimline trapper. This was probably when I was still in high school or college, and Im not ashamed to say it, i have a lot of very affordable knives in my collection, all makes and models of things from god knows where. Back then Id say $75+ on a knife? you are out of your mind! Now a days that sounds like the amount for a decent traditional, maybe even a steal of a price. I have come to accept that price is just part of the game. your means determine what you can buy. and just because it costs more doesnt make it a better knife. People can spend $15 on a rough rider and be just as happy as someone who spent $350 on some custom job. (sorry price rant over) there's a lot to learn always, and each knife you buy or dont buy is just part of the journey.
 
I don't spend much time stabbing car hoods or meat boots - so a lock isn't really all that necessary, and most of my cutting tasks are easily accomplished - and more controllably - with a smaller blade.

What a sheltered life you must lead! ;) Seriously, though, great post. Welcome to the light side.

-- Mark
 
Comeuppance,
Like you and others have shared in this thread, I can definitely relate to what you have said about this site being a most wonderful source of information on traditional knives, as well as the boundless sharing of tips, experiences and even the gracious sharing and gifting of knives. I am really glad to have found this site, and to bring me back to the traditional knifes I grew up with. Thanks to you all here!
Raul
 
Aye - it's only with this recent experience that it becomes clear why so many people here carry a traditional folder and a fixed blade. If it requires just light cutting, use the traditional. If it requires a lock, skip the lock and just use a fixed blade.

People definitely react very differently to the different types of knives. When I was excited about my new 0452CF, people were impressed with the knife but clearly a little standoffish about what was in front of them. I show them the Northfield, and they're genuinely fascinated by it without any hesitation.

While I don't choose my knives to impress others, it's nice to be able to share my enthusiasm with others without 50% of them recoiling slightly when I open the knife.

I completely agree. When I need a strong sturdy blade I take my Iisakki Aito with 80mm long, sturdy 1095 zero ground blade. As much as I appreciate the small Sebenza (so well done, designed, so smooth), it offers more than I need from folding knife. For small daily knives a traditional blade (and the choice is practically unlimited) does it all.

And I completely share your view on this community - I have also received a knife (albeit meant for my friend) from a member here who did not take anything else in return than just a 'thank you'.
 
I STILL haven't owned or handled an Opinel.

You and me both, brother. I'm going to have to remedy that at some point myself.

Welcome to the porch. I have read some of your posts over on the Spydie sub-forum, you seem like a well informed, quality individual. Your thoughts will be welcomed here. Good to see you acquired a caplifter, and no ordinary one, eh?:eek::eek: Here's mine, my all time favorite pocket knife:



You may want to avoid looking at 1940's-1960's Case red bone knives, lest you wallet takes on additional beatings! Hopefully Case or GEC someday recreates the magic of this small Coke bottle pattern:

 
Aye - it's only with this recent experience that it becomes clear why so many people here carry a traditional folder and a fixed blade. If it requires just light cutting, use the traditional. If it requires a lock, skip the lock and just use a fixed blade.

And that, my friend, is the truth at the bottom of the mug!:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
 
I was in to modern folders - automatics mostly, and then fell hard for traditionals when I bought a GEC Talon. I then went on to buy a crapload of various GEC knives, and whittled it back to.... zero. Why? I discovered that what I really wanted was at the intersection - modern folders with traditional characteristics. I compiled a small set of the knives that work for me and, with the help of this community, sold off everything else. I think I only lost money on GEC fixed blades, but even then, only maybe $20.

The lesson: traditionals are indeed awesome, they have everything anyone truly needs, and anyone who has gone down the road of stronger locks, premium steels, etc should take a side trip and try out some old school goodness. Perspectives may not reverse, but they will indeed change for the better.
 
You may want to avoid looking at 1940's-1960's Case red bone knives, lest you wallet takes on additional beatings! Hopefully Case or GEC someday recreates the magic of this small Coke bottle pattern:


that is a gorgeous coke bottle! its tough finding one with the bolsters that way. some have a sort of a copperhead looking bolster? im not sure if thats the correct term for it?
 
My beef with knife collecting is mostly timing. It seems the knives I really want are available when my finances aren't. Or, a particular knife I want was produces years ago and is no longer available.

The hardest lesson I'm actually still learning is how to play the waiting game. The second hardest lesson is realizing I forever missed the boat on some knives. Truly frustrating sometimes.
 
The second hardest lesson is realizing I forever missed the boat on some knives. Truly frustrating sometimes.

Don't despair. In some ways collecting is easier now than ever before since the internet has connected buyers and sellers worldwide. Admittedly the competition is much fiercer.

Keep this piece of advice in mind.

They'll always come back around. All ya gotta do is wait.
Greg
 
Don't despair. In some ways collecting is easier now than ever before since the internet has connected buyers and sellers worldwide. Admittedly the competition is much fiercer.

Keep this piece of advice in mind.

Noted. Competition, thus brings the price up, which goes back to my number 1. haha. A very vicious cycle.
 
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