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Discussion in 'Community Center' started by cchu518, Nov 6, 2019.
So, this thread is intended to be about knives and cutting things?
That's a mistake. The longer it sits unused the more chance it has to sit longer. Better put a scuff mark on it, maybe drop it in the grass (snow if in the midwest) or something so it's no longer new. I have to do that with my Busse's I plan to use. Brought my recent infiflatmandu (FFG ratmandu) out this morning while taking the dog and shaved down a stick laying in the yard, just so it's no longer new. I suppose I could baton it through a potato or something, give it Busse style kitchen duty.
I like the whole driving it through a cinder block while taping it to upload onto youtube better!
Maybe? Not limited to it, from where the thread this spawned from came from. It included all sorts of crazy discussions at times, from fixing cars to food.
No. It's about bashing those jerks in W&C. They swear way too much over there!
They really do. I mean, too much is pretty subjective. Not sure what one expects when you enter that area of the forum though. I suppose if you're new to W&C, it could catch you off guard. Not quite as bad a political rant on facebook, but pretty close.
^^^This sounds more like a "pass around" than a PIF.
One rule that would be helpful in avoiding any future PIF thread becoming a trading thread would be that when your PIF is claimed, you cannot claim the PIF put forward by the claiment of your PIF item.
Well count me in! Those guys are potty mouths.
Though I thought we were to
"Restrict flamewars & bad behavior to W&C and other "approved" areas
Those forums are the only "anything goes" areas of this site, so don't let the behavior leak out. Conversely, if you don't want to be offended or insulted, stay out of there."
You know, I don't really think that had happened too many times, it wasn't even an issue. The bigger issues were the concept of are all the PIF's an act of kindness or was it a combination of that plus trying out knives for fun.
And who was in essence owed for placing items into the pot for claiming. Some ppl considered the entire thread an act of benevolance, some treated it as a way to rotate out their collection.
Things only got bad when it turned into Lord of the Flies with group factions and the dynamics of that tribe-ing out. And also when a couple of the fellas really just pif BS stuff for nicer items. I'm literally going to single out one dude who walked away with several really nice knives and who isn't really a bladeforum member in good standing. He was a bit of a vulture in a dirty way. I literally would not have him back in the next pif.
It's one thing to say put up gear that has mass appeal, like a Condor, Maxpedition pack, a DMT plate, tac pen. It's another thing to be putting up junk and then try to force/pressure whomever is doing a PIF that those multitude of items are of the same value as the one item that's worth $150 used. The thread wasn't meant to be a trading post for someone to pawn off all their junk to people in order to trade up for a higher valued knife. And in those instances that decision should be the knife owners to make knowing the consequences which in effect is stalling out the streams of PIF's.
Perhaps the keeper of the list should have final say on what is an appropriate PIF for what is being claimed.
I think it only happened once or twice, but something different ended up in the thread still. I'm offering A, other guy claimed A, offered B, I liked B, claimed B, and offered C.
It went mostly smoothly for 1.5 years, so we had it mostly figured out before what seems like the inevitable end of "pay it forward" threads. I think a facilitator would help something like this to take the trash out, but then it doesn't fit within the paradigm that, that thread was and where it was located on the forum. Self-governance doesn't always work out the best.
I was somewhat shocked with the language the first time I visited W&C. I don't really like going there but I know there are a group of folks that hang there. It is almost required that you be a potty mouth posting there. I see no point.
A facilitator or rules have to be put in place. It's like Shakespeare's plays. It's always the crazy one in the play, the fool or the Jester that foreshadows intrinsic truths and what happens in the future.
So on that note, the W&C guys as foul mouthed as they are were hinting towards the threads demise and in many ways trying to intervene and prevent those freight trains from colliding. You got dudes getting into cockfights, ppl throwing in dubious clones, grabbing like 8 knives in a row greedily.
In the effort to be accomodating, some really bad exchanges are going to happen as no one wanted to be seen as a bad guy. It's gotta be done though or else what happened is going to ensue. And this scenario doesn't benefit all of the people who literally benefitted from the thread or got some fun out of it.
Like if you get one of the flagship Spyderco models don't be putting back in used clothes, a CRKT in aus4 or whatever you can't pawn off on ebay elsewhere or hold back on an equal 1 for 1 or 2 for 1. That's just BS. But it was all organic how it happend and super interesting to observe.
And let's just say that the last keeper of the list knew exactly who was putting in bunk stuff of unequivocal value but he wasn't able to really have a say. A gatekeeper or arbitrator would take the pressure off of someone who wanted to channel check if an offer was fair or not. That gets the person in question off the hook from having to tell someone else that their pif whatever is bunk.
I force myself to pocket new knives. Carry them around the house first then maybe to the store.....
When they get over a certain price point it is sooooo hard to use them.
That’s why I love the exchange!
Do ou guys have Krispy Kreme's? I've tried a lot of donuts, artisan donuts and donut like things around the world and I gotta say outside of beignets in New Orleans Krispy Kremes have to go to be one of the best donut like things ever.
Bunk is bunk. Just tell it like it is. Then it's up to them to either put up something appropriate, or take their bunk and go home.
But, I agree there definitely should be someone that is given the authority to have the final say in any disputes.
If I throw up a $500 custom Reate Epoc I don’t expect the rest of the crowd to be happy with Chris putting up a used RAT 1. It’s common sense. But I think a couple of good quality blades should be Okay
Unless the offeror says it isn't. But generally if the other person threw up 4 NIB $125 it should be fine.
As the value goes down though, not so much... like a $125 knife and 5 $20 knives is a hard no.
sorry about your ops person being sick, yeh I transferd to a iMac about 7 months ago coming from PC and its been a long learning curve for me also, I sometimes wonder if I will ever get the hang of this system! or just go back to Microsoft! as I understand why they did the original user control on apple products to keep people safe, but its given me fits....