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The long term SAK.

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Most people on this and like forums are among the obsessed. The compulsive collector gang, that is always in pursuit of the newest and shiny object of their obsession. People like sonofwilfred are the exception to the rule and they will use their stuff like it was designed to be used. Sometimes used hard, but not abused. There is a difference. But once upon a time, I was among the ranks of the obsessed knife nut, going through my stockman stage, my peanut stage, and always in search of the newer and "better" object of my obsession.

BUT...through it all, the faithful SAK, the always standing by of a faithful tool, was always somewhere about. In a pack, in the side pocket of a suitcase, the glove box of the car. A SAK was always there for those cans that needed to be opened, screws that had to be dealt with, whatever. It took a few decades for me to realize that the dedicated knife was the expendable one. The knife, that was the one trick pony, was the excess baggage. My late 20's to about 40 was my knife nut stage, and that was when they mist finally cleared. I had started life with a scout knife, carried the army issue scout knife, the "demo' knife for a few years, then got a SAK while stationed in Germany. Maybe that had set a seed in my mind, that took a while to sprout, but it was the knife with some tools on it that I eventually came back to. Ended up selling off and giving away lots of knives, that later I didn't miss at all. I went back to the SAK. Even to the point of abandoning the humble little legume, the peanut. As much as I loved the peanut, it didn't have scissors, a screw driver that handles small Phillips screws that seem to hold the whole world together these days, nor tweezers to pluck burr's and stickers out of my dogs paws.

Since August 2022, my main carry has been a forrest green classic with the logo of an investment company called Boyle, with a slogan of "Since 1933" and what looks like a crosshairs. It's really done 98% of what I need to do with a pocket knife, except for food duty for which it's a little small. For backup when I think I need it, my old Wenger SI is there. For the past year, it's been on and off carried in a belt sheath just behind my right hip. I've had that old SI for a number of decades now, but it's in very good shape because it hasn't been a steady carry. it'll get carried for a while, then sits in the sock drawer for a while. then carried again for a while, then back in the drawer. Only in the past year has it been a steady carry for "just in case". And it's been handy a time or two to have a more robust screw driver on hand, or the awl that makes great starter holes for wood screws. But for the most part, the SI is a "stand-by" tool.

The Wenger SI and classic has outlasted all my other SAK's. The huntsman, the tinker, the recruit, the bantam. All had their heyday, but as I aged and winnowed down my belongings, they all went. My dissatisfaction with the cellidor scales, the near duplication of tool sets, all cut down on my SAK ownership. But the little classic and Wenger SI for whatever reason, made it for the long haul. When all the others were gone, they were the ones that remained in use. I can't count the number of backpacking trips, canoe trips, road trips, the Wenger SI has been on and opened uncounted cans of chili, beans, and a few tops popped for a cold one now and then. It's cut up bell peppers, onion and meat for kabobs over a camp fire. I guess I can say that the Wenger SI has been a true travel companion for close to 30 years, and the classic has been a true daily life companion since about 1995ish.

When I think back on it all, I'm amazed and even astounded at all the knives that came and went, mostly went, in my life. When I walked away from the whole knife nut thing, only the couple SAK's remained. Here I am with an other road trip to visit the daughter in California in a few days, and my classic is on my keyring and the Wenger on my belt. They'll do fine.
 
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When my aunt and my grandma each gifted me a Classic around high school graduation (methinks one or both of them were confused about my age, among other things), I suspect they imagined a gentlemanly knife inspiring me to be more gentlemanly. By then, I already preferred lockbacks to slipjoints, and didn't see much use for such a tiny blade. A few short years later, one of those little knives came to hang full time on my keychain, and my lockbacks were sidelined to make room for a Multi-plier. Those 2 SAKs proved indispensable, in succession used and abused over decades until the handles fell off. I bought myself my third specimen last year. Only my wife calls me a gentleman.
 
Long Term SAK carry?

In 2001 my then (and now late 😭) boss gave me a Ruby/Translucent red Huntsman/Signature set for Christmas, the last week of November.
I had the Signature on my keyring until 2022, when I upgraded to a red celidor Mini Champ.
The Mini Champ has been on my keyring or in my "watch pocket" (on a 26" leather lanyard, to prevent loss if ("when") it falls out of the "watch pocket".
The Huntsman was clipped to a SAK belt hanger or belt loop every day until July, 2018 when I went to the hospital for a "mild" (the doctor's terminology) stroke.

It was lost during the move when I moved to this Assisted Living, in November, 2019. ☹️
I want to get another Ruby Huntsman, or another Huntsman with package hook, and a set of 91mm Ruby plus scales, with both pin and pen holes/slots.
A set of 58mm Ruby scales for the Signature/Mini Champ is also on my "want" list.

A resident gave me a couple of his VIC's, including the Mini Champ, a Evo Grip 10, 16, 17, 18, a 2021 "Year Of The Ox" Huntsman, a Hercules, a SD Classic with the 1 Gram gold "shield", and a couple others as an early inheritance, between 202 and 2024. (sadly, he passed a couple months ago.) He knew it was ... unlikely ... the facility would give them to me, even tho he told the owner he wanted me to get them.
The Huntsman and Hercules have either been on my belt or with-in reach clipped to my rollator. Of these two the Huntsman has the most time on my belt ...mainly because the package hook in conjunction secures a "T" shank jigsaw blade when the SAK woodsaw is the wong tool.

I swapped out the tweezers for the toothpick on the Signature and Mini Champ.
I super glued two small pieces of 320 grit SiC Wet Or Dry sand paper to the Huntsman's tweezers so they don't slip off whatever I am trying to grip.

The SAK's are for me, a true "EDC". Tho to be honest, the knife blades are rarely used. The scissors are probably my most used implement.
 
That is a wonderful collection of wisdom backed by experience. I can only wish i still had my first Swiss army knife my dad gave me (for camping only) but soon abandoned that restriction. No other knife company has made knives that were carried, used, abused, lost, found, lost again, found once more, taken to the ocean deep, war, space, Mt. Everest, than Victorinox, Swiss army knives are ubiquitous, extremely durable, and cheap, dollar by dollar they contain the best value in a folding knife. While a Spyderco or a benchmade knife can likely zip through materials like theyre made of air, a swiss army knife can get scary sharp and the edge is tough and will cut just as good as you'd need it to be. I quickly reached 1,000 dollars in one handed opening folding knives with locking mechanisms due to the steels they were made out of, company name, and how intricate the lock was designed, at 6 knives I surpassed 1,000, for what amounted to basically be knife blades with a strong lock. In earlier Americana you had cowboys, train conductors, farmers, hunters, boaters and various kinds of waterman, these people lived physically strenuous and rough lives
But im sure they weren't all carrying strong and durable fixed blades, mainly single bladed slipjoint knives, and didnt buy 12 of them---and they got along just fine with the one they had. They didnt baton wood with it, stab tin cans, obsess over fit and finish and ergonomics, they didnt scrutinize everything under a microscope like we do now, i constantly window shopping the 'new release' sections and find myself constantly confused by the expense, excessive garnish, and jewelry look to knives these days, and it just make me like my simple slipjoints even more.
 
In earlier Americana you had cowboys, train conductors, farmers, hunters, boaters and various kinds of waterman, these people lived physically strenuous and rough lives
But im sure they weren't all carrying strong and durable fixed blades, mainly single bladed slipjoint knives, and didnt buy 12 of them---and they got along just fine with the one they had.
Two or more blades were also popular.
Two blade English Jacks (jack knives over 4" closed), the "Cattle Knife" (forerunner of the Stockman), the "Senator"/"Congressman" in 2 to 5 blade variations ... I think Abe Lincoln had a 5 blade Senator/Congressman in his pocket while watching the play 'OUR AMERICAN COUSIN' at The Ford Theater.

An extremely funny play, by the way. I watched the second performance at a Civil War reenactment, in 1988.
The play has never been performed to the end. The original performance ended early, "thanks" to J. W. Booth. The second performance ended at the same point. They showed Abe in his death bed, soon after the "BANG!", Mrs. Lincoln yelling "The President has been shot!" (Just like Abe's wife did.) and "J.W.B." jumping to the stage.
Historically accurate to the point of J.W.B. leaving the stage to (presumably) exit the theater out a rear stage door.

I will say, the reenactor portraying J.W.B. was a BRAVE person ... jumping from the second floor balcony state box to the stage. Unlike J.W.B in 1865, this guy did not really break his leg when he landed on the stage. He did limp of stage (like J.W.B. did) after reciting John's speech, for historical accuracy.
I don't know if that play has been performed a third time.
The guy portraying Lincoln looked just like Pres. Lincoln in the concurrent photographs, and was the correct height.
I believe he was a professional for the role in Hollywood.

I agree the "average" "person" didn't have 12 pocket knives. At most they might have two, one for work/every day, and a fancie one for go to meetin'/Church.
Some MAY have also had a small third knife on their watch chain, kept in their waistcoat pocket.

They also used them a lot "harder" than the "average" "person" uses their's today. Supposedly, the "life" of a pocket knife prior to WW2 was just two or three years.

I also agree they didn't check for gaps, back springs flush open/closed and if applicable, at half stop, and other such nonsense. A pocket knife was a tool; not pocket jewelry.
So long as the gaps (if any) did not affect functionality, the blade had a reasonable pull where you did not have to fight the knife or use a tool to open it, and the blade didn't have excessive wiggle when open, then any gaps, un-flush springs and such were "irrelevant cosmetic defects".
 
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Americana you had cowboys, train conductors, farmers, hunters, boaters and various kinds of waterman, these people lived physically strenuous and rough lives
But im sure they weren't all carrying strong and durable fixed blades, mainly single bladed slipjoint knives, and didnt buy 12 of them---and they got along just fine with the one they had. They didnt baton wood with it, stab tin cans, obsess over fit and finish and ergonomics, they didnt scrutinize everything under a microscope like we do now,

In Peterson's book "American Knives" there was a chapter entitled "Knives of the west". In it he states that according to research in old records of trading posts, manufactures, and shipping records, the most popular knife shipped west from the late 1850's to the 1870's, was the Russell's Barlow knife. A relatively small knife with a 2 and something inch blade, rough saw cut bone scales, and iron bolsters. Not a thing of beauty but of sheer function. Somehow all those cowboys, stage and freight wagon drivers, river boat crews, homesteaders, store keepers, bar tenders, lawmen, got by with a stamped out little Barlow knife of lain carbon steel.

Oh, speaking of lawmen, right up the road from me in Waco Texas, is the Texas Ranger museum. Init is an exhibit of Frank Hamer's stuff. His watch, his .45 revolver, his railroad pass, his pocket knife. A well used bone handle Barlow with a blade almost black, and about 1/3 worn away from use and sharpening. Frank Hamer maybe was heavily arms with a Remington Rifle, .45 Colt revolver he called "old Lucky", but his pocket knife was a modest well used plain Barlow.

For a real world look at what knives were used in the 'old days', look up the photos of the knives from the steamship Arabia, sunk in the Missouri River in the mid 1800's. Lots of plain slip joint types with a good amount of sheep foot blades on display.
 
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Speaking of SI’s - I got this SI in 1983 after a family picnic in the Smokies with three small children. Unpacked lunch and realized we had a cooler full of Cokes and no bottle opener. Couldn’t find anything to pop the cap off on (concrete and wood picnic tables) and had almost given up when a kind gentleman some distance away saw our dilemma and brought us an opener. I vowed I’d never be in that situation again and bought the SI. Of course the drink companies all went to screw-off caps right after that and the SI has never opened a single drink. It served as our canoeing knife for years (rounded the tip of the awl and dulled the edge to make a small marlinspike). Also did paint scraping and all those other jobs you don’t want to use a “good” knife for. (I did replace the bail after this photo was taken.) It’s still being used regularly. All in all one of my best investments ever.

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Speaking of SI’s - I got this SI in 1983 after a family picnic in the Smokies with three small children. Unpacked lunch and realized we had a cooler full of Cokes and no bottle opener. Couldn’t find anything to pop the cap off on (concrete and wood picnic tables) and had almost given up when a kind gentleman some distance away saw our dilemma and brought us an opener. I vowed I’d never be in that situation again and bought the SI. Of course the drink companies all went to screw-off caps right after that and the SI has never opened a single drink. It served as our canoeing knife for years (rounded the tip of the awl and dulled the edge to make a small marlinspike). Also did paint scraping and all those other jobs you don’t want to use a “good” knife for. (I did replace the bail after this photo was taken.) It’s still being used regularly. All in all one of my best investments ever.

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Theres not anything not to like in the bomb proof build of the alox SAK's. I think of my old SI as an old war horse for when the going gets rough. to me, the alox sakes are the preferred SAK.
 
They also used them a lot "harder" than the "average" "person" uses their's today. Supposedly, the "life" of a pocket knife prior to WW2 was just two or three years.
I think I read that in an old survey that Remington did in the late 1930's when they were still making cutlery. The pocket knife was considered a disposable tool that got used up on the job by resharpening. I guess there wasn't many "knife nuts" back then that worried over their knives.
 
Whatever my EDC is, it’s always paired with a SAK. Today. Large Sebenza and a Swisschamp… tomorrow perhaps a Benchmade AFO & a Climber. The SAK is what lets me carry any other knife, without regard to its overall utility or practicality. It’s the smartphone of the knife world.
 
A pocketknife as a rough and ready, disposable tool made of run of the mill materials? Sounds like the most appropriate modern comparison may be a utility knife type. And it may explain why those are so popular in trades or other areas where knives get used hard and/or abused.
Even with the SAK on me, when I worked in the trades, and a couple jobs during hig school, I had a Stanley 99(?) retractable utility/box knife (with extra blades in the handle) on me, using it more often than the SAK and whatever was in my pocket.
Stanley blades cost a lot less than a new knife or SAK.
 
By then, I already preferred lockbacks to slipjoints, and didn't see much use for such a tiny blade. A few short years later, one of those little knives came to hang full time on my keychain, and my lockbacks were sidelined to make room for a Multi-plier.

It's funny, ain't it, how some things need some years to appreciate them. Maybe some real life experience is needed?

I thought the tiny 58mm SAK's were a joke until my wife showed me otherwise. That was about 1995 or 96ish. Only then did I become a convert to the ultimate mini SAK. But it wasn't unit after watching my wife, and then getting a classic and doing what I called "The Experiment" over a few months time, that I became a convert. Ended up, the hole was on me!
 
Oh, speaking of lawmen, right up the road from me in Waco Texas, is the Texas Ranger museum. Init is an exhibit of Frank Hamer's stuff. His watch, his .45 revolver, his railroad pass, his pocket knife. A well used bone handle Barlow with a blade almost black, and about 1/3 worn away from use and sharpening. Frank Hamer maybe was heavily arms with a Remington Rifle, .45 Colt revolver he called "old Lucky", but his pocket knife was a modest well used plain Barlow.
Not sure if I can find it again but I read somewhere on some page that jesse james pocket knife sold for a couple million, no other mention of it, other then item and price, not sure if it had a lock or not, im not too privy to the times of the wild west and can't say for certain if they did have locks what, who, and how many, there may have been, I believe this gun, holster and knife were the auction items.
 
I think a swiss army knife comes with valuable lessons. Yes the knife can be made very sharp, yes its a tough knife, but its not a Becker, its not an Esee 6, its not an axeknife, treat it as you would a fine cutter, a swiss army knife WILL break if you abuse it, the tip will bend or break, it will develop blade play, it will snap off--- however you [can] heavily use it, you [can] use the knife more than any other tool several or more times a day, the steel <is> softer but it [can] sharpen back up easily and be good and ready to go. Ive seen more decades-old Swiss army knives still in great serviceable condition than any other knife from any other brand. Once the lock on a knife with one fails to lock open, you can't trust it to be safe anymore, without being repaired. Swiss army knives dont require such locks, thing [do] happen, but not often at all
 
Enjoying this informative and thoughtful thread. Didn't know that Barlows were that popular. Saw the photo of Frank Hamer's Barlow on the TexasRanger.org website; it looked more like half the main blade sharpened away. They list it as a Remington; would that be considered an upscale Barlow? And Headwinds, customizing an awl into a marlinspike to fit your needs, very clever. Afishhunter, not only do utility knife blades cost a lot less than another knife, flipping them around is the quickest method of blade sharpening.

My longest term SAK is an old, black handled Wenger Pocket Tool Chest. I always liked the Wenger Esquire better than the Victorinox Classic. The 1/4" longer blade made it a little easier to quarter and core my lunch apples, and I like the serrated scissors that use a transfer bar to one of the backsprings. I've never had a Vic break or lose a scissor hairspring, but they must sometimes, since Vic sells replacements. I always thought the Wenger claim that they were self sharpening was just marketing BS, but I don't know how many decades mine have stayed sharp, so maybe they weren't lying. Plus the way the transfer bar and top handle are beveled puts side pressure on the blades so they cut cleanly, even for a left handed guy like me. The most used tools are the scissors and the fingernail file. Which is also an emergency #0 Phillips screwdriver, pretty good staple remover, pointed scraper, and light duty mini pry tool, when popping the back off a watch, etc. and don't want to mess up my blade or the back of the watch. The Pocket Tool Chest adds another tool layer to the Esquire, a double thickness cap lifter/small slotted screwdriver, a very small slotted eyeglass/sunglass screwdriver, and a pointed sewing awl, which I've only used as a very fine tipped scraper. I use all the tools, including of course the toothpick and tweezers, but not every day, like the scissors and nail file multitool. I don't keep it on my keys; I like those as small as possible. The Wenger is attached with a ~7/16"/10 or 11mm ring to a Photon Freedom LED flashlight, which also gets used every day, and they're always in my jeans watch pocket.

Thank you gentlemen for all the information and your perspective.
 
As I’ve posted fairly often on these forums, I got my first SAK in 2007 and have been EDCing one ever since. Mostly an Explorer Plus, but often a Swisschamp, and every now and then a Rambler. No other knife has met my real word needs better or proven more useful.The Swisschamp purchased in 2007 was given to my wife who carries it in her purse and uses it often. It’s still going strong. Fit and finish always good, no blade play, never a bent or broken knife or tool. I use the knives for what they were designed. I’ve also never been bit by the advertising/marketing/forum group think bug for whatever new super steel they come out with from minute to minute. I don’t want to baton with a knife, and I long ago stopped looking at my knife with a microscope to find cosmetic blemishes. I don’t buy into the dumbed down, silly idea that slip joints are unsafe because they don’t lock open. Not to mention I’m getting older, and any fantasies I once had about surviving off the land with my pocket knife went bye bye with my knees and back…also grandkids have a way of settling you down. I much prefer having my SAK to open mail/packages, trimming string or whiskers, cutting up some food while out and about for lunch, turning a screw, or having a magnifying glass to read small print. And although I like seeing knife picture threads as much as the next guy, I much prefer threads which discuss actual use, experience, and rationale for why we carry what we carry…like this one started by Jackknife.
 
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