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The Loveless Subhilt
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Edmund Davidson admits to a great Lovless influence on quite a
few of his Full Integrals. Especially after working in Bob's shop
for some time during the beginning of his days of making Integrals.
I am no expert, but to my eye, Steven, this amazing piece has
much of the Loveless proportions to it...
All the best,
David Darom (ddd)
From "The World of Art Knives" (2010)
few of his Full Integrals. Especially after working in Bob's shop
for some time during the beginning of his days of making Integrals.
I am no expert, but to my eye, Steven, this amazing piece has
much of the Loveless proportions to it...
All the best,
David Darom (ddd)
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I don't know how much Roger and Kevin have handled Loveless subhilts, but if you guys want the opportunity to handle a few at Blade, let me know and we'll make it happen.
Might bring some revelations.
Best Regards,
STeven Garsson
A fair bit for me. There was no shortage of them at the Chicago show. Most of the top makers in the Loveless style were also well represented.
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Been done, not badly either.
I don't know how much Roger and Kevin have handled Loveless subhilts, but if you guys want the opportunity to handle a few at Blade, let me know and we'll make it happen.
Might bring some revelations.
Best Regards,
STeven Garsson
Steven, I for one would be VERY INTERESTED!!
Do you think that you could find the time to give me
an educational "guided tour" of the Loveless knife art?
All the best,
David Darom (ddd)
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Been done, not badly either.
I don't know how much Roger and Kevin have handled Loveless subhilts, but if you guys want the opportunity to handle a few at Blade, let me know and we'll make it happen.
Might bring some revelations.
Best Regards,
STeven Garsson
I've handled/inspected a few. A benefit of going to so many shows is being able to put your mits on a lot of knives.
Thought I'm not a big Loveless collector, I have always been fascinated by not only the knives but the Loveless market in general. So try to keep abreast of it.I'm always game to see/handle more if we can put it together. Don't think a collector would ever benefit from turning down an opportunity to inspect knives from any of the knifemaking greats.
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I've handled/inspected a few. A benefit of going to so many shows is being able to put your mits on a lot of knives.
I'm always game to see/handle more if we can put it together. Don't think a collector would ever benefit from turning down an opportunity to inspect knives from any of the knifemaking greats.
Kevin, you are one up on me in that you OWN a Loveless knife, and a great one at that. Maybe next year I will grow the stones to pull the trigger, although I am afraid that my dream Dixon Fighter will remain just that...a dream.
Anyway, maybe we can put together a tour for the CKCA members interested and go on the "Loveless Trail" at Blade
.....might be great fun for an hour or so on Sunday when things get settled down a bit.Best Regards,
STeven Garsson
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.....maybe we can put together a tour for the CKCA members interested and go on the "Loveless Trail" at Blade
Best Regards,
STeven Garsson
I would really like this as it will also be a chance
to meet some (many?) of the CKCA members....
All the best,
David Darom (ddd)
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Originally posted by Kohai999
Steven,
This sounds like a great idea.
Jim Treacy
Anyway, maybe we can put together a tour for the CKCA members interested and go on the "Loveless Trail" at Blade
Steven,
This sounds like a great idea.
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At the 1980 New York knife show, Steve Johnson from Utah showed up with a table full of very well executed Loveless style sub hilt fighters and was sold out within 15 minutes of the show opening on Friday night. The last knife on the table was bought by some guy in a sharkskin suit who crawled up on the table, waving a fistfull of money.
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I suggested Sunday because(as you know) Blade is a zoo on Friday and Saturday. The die hards will be there until at least Sunday afternoon, so a 10:00 am "tour" would help keep momentum up, everyone should be awake and on the floor
, and the table holders I have in mind would appreciate the attention.Best Regards,
STeven Garsson
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Kevin, you are one up on me in that you OWN a Loveless knife, and a great one at that. Maybe next year I will grow the stones to pull the trigger, although I am afraid that my dream Dixon Fighter will remain just that...a dream.
Anyway, maybe we can put together a tour for the CKCA members interested and go on the "Loveless Trail" at Blade
Best Regards,
STeven Garsson
There seems to be a window of opportunity to purchase Loveless knives at reasonably prices, or at least reasonable compared to recent years. I expect the window will close as the economy grows stronger.
Great idea, a CKCA tour would fun and educational.
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I would like to go along on the Loveless Trail.
Should make for an educational experience.
Take care
Charles
Should make for an educational experience.
Take care
Charles
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I suggested Sunday because(as you know) Blade is a zoo on Friday and Saturday. The die hards will be there until at least Sunday afternoon, so a 10:00 am "tour" would help keep momentum up, everyone should be awake and on the floor
Best Regards,
STeven Garsson
If I'm still there, STeven - which I expect to be - that would actually be a super thing to do. In the past, I've sometimes left Sat nite. But my plan for this year is to be in on Thursday evening, out on Sunday with a late check-out. If that stays as planned, count on me taggin' along and looking forward to the educational aspect (which I presume will come from you) as much as seeing and holding the knives themselves.
Best,
Bob
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Actually Bob.....the educational aspect will come from the experts...without putting anyone on the spot, there are a number of them at Blade, and I will put together a true "tour" so they know we are coming, and everyone can safely and comfortably handle the knives.
I'll be learning as much as anyone there, but may provide a good question or two, keep us all on schedule, and set up the logistics. Depending upon interest for this first attempt, we might limit it to 25 people or so, make it more intimate, not sure....it was an idea off the top of my head.
Any input would be appreciated.
Best Regards,
STeven Garsson
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I can tell you all that you are in for a treat. I couldn't thank STeven and Louis enough for their time and kindness in helping to ease my ignorance.
To give a real newcomer's (to Loveless and sub-hilt fighters) perspective, I was immediately taken with the feel of the Big Bear. The fit and finish were "as to be expected" and I think many may have attained similar levels of expertise in this area- at least to my inexpert eye. The things that really set this knife apart for me were; the lack of the perception of weight for such a big knife, the feeling of perfect balance for such a long blade, the great fit of the handle (to include the sub-hilt), and the tangible knowledge of where the tip was. The whole knife came across as elegant- both in appearance and more importantly (to me) in an engineering sense- it felt perfect for it's intended purpose.
Now, this is coming from someone who previously had no use for sub-hilts- never met one I liked- even when they looked good, I never cared for the way they felt and thought the sub-hilt limited other grips too much with no benefit. This was even re-proven by Louis handing me a very early version Big Bear- it did not feel good. Contrasted with the later model, it really pointed out how much difference the things learned along the way made. The feel for where the tip is especially important to me in a fighting knife (I like it in all my knives) and to have such a definite feel for the tip with such quickness I believe is quite an acheivement.
Is the Big Bear really the epitome of a sub-hilt fighter? Without having handled other maker's even near this level of course I can't say. Does it feel like it could be, with that "in your bones" feeling of being "right"? Absolutely.
Now I can't wait to handle a Bagwell!
Thanks again STeven for a great experience and being so generous with your knowledge and friendship.
To give a real newcomer's (to Loveless and sub-hilt fighters) perspective, I was immediately taken with the feel of the Big Bear. The fit and finish were "as to be expected" and I think many may have attained similar levels of expertise in this area- at least to my inexpert eye. The things that really set this knife apart for me were; the lack of the perception of weight for such a big knife, the feeling of perfect balance for such a long blade, the great fit of the handle (to include the sub-hilt), and the tangible knowledge of where the tip was. The whole knife came across as elegant- both in appearance and more importantly (to me) in an engineering sense- it felt perfect for it's intended purpose.
Now, this is coming from someone who previously had no use for sub-hilts- never met one I liked- even when they looked good, I never cared for the way they felt and thought the sub-hilt limited other grips too much with no benefit. This was even re-proven by Louis handing me a very early version Big Bear- it did not feel good. Contrasted with the later model, it really pointed out how much difference the things learned along the way made. The feel for where the tip is especially important to me in a fighting knife (I like it in all my knives) and to have such a definite feel for the tip with such quickness I believe is quite an acheivement.
Is the Big Bear really the epitome of a sub-hilt fighter? Without having handled other maker's even near this level of course I can't say. Does it feel like it could be, with that "in your bones" feeling of being "right"? Absolutely.
Now I can't wait to handle a Bagwell!
Thanks again STeven for a great experience and being so generous with your knowledge and friendship.