The Mini Revolver

I plan on getting one of these little guys just for sh!#$ and giggles. Ive shot the .22 mag but I'll prolly get the .22lr version.

No one has said this but I've heard them called "Nostril Guns" meaning that you have to stick them in a guys face for the best effect.
 
Why do you assume it has to be legal to shoot a deer with a .22lr, not everytime a deer is shot is it in hunting season. I have shot injured roadhits with Ar-15, Shotgun with buck, Glock .40, and Da da Don...a .22 pistol. The guy that picked up the deer thanked me for shooting it in the head with a .22, he said the last one he got had nine holes in it.

By the way. Hunting with a .22lr is not legal.

As for the NAA minis. I wouldn't. I borrowed one and it Keyholed at about 15 feet. Not that a tumbling 45grain piece of lead wouldn't hurt at 15 yards but the velocity and accuracy are so low that there are much better choices. Even a .32 auto like the Kel-tecs or Berrettas would be a better choice. At least they are centerfire and a much more reliable ignition.
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I have one.

I would say the true accuracy of mine if clamped in a vise and shot would be excellent:thumbup:

However for shooting at any distance the design of the thing makes it very hard to shoot accurately.

I have shot mine every day for like 2 weeks and got pretty good with it. But if you lay off a a week or so you are back to square one.

I think weekly practice is needed with any pistol, but with the NAA you need almost daily practice:D

Here's a comparison between 3 picked up cold and shot. A Ruger Mark 1 22.lr,
A Charter Arms Pathfinder .22 mag and the 22. mag NAA

As I recally the NAA was shot offhand at 15 yards and the other 2 offhand at either 20 or 25y

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15 to 25 yards, I would only want to shoot at a paper plate about 20-25 feet. If I needed to shoot a snake it would be with rat shot at much closer distance. I think anything with a short little barrel would have trouble at those distances.
 
Like everyone else, I have an opinion on this and its worth what u can buy with it. I love a mini. For me, it is carried in your pants pocket as a last ditch effort for someone who is trying to kill you. That means it is up close and very possibly stuck under your chin or in your nose. At that range it is extremely deadly. I carry a folder clipped to my pocket too. I dont plan to throw it at anyone but it is very deadly in the right hands and in the right range.
A NAA mini will perform many killing functions fine if you realize its limitations. It will take snakes, squirrels, and even bigger game under the right circumstances.
Some may not want to dismiss it so easily.
It is not overly accurate at a distance nor is it an effective weapon for a fire fight but it'll kill ya stone dead fellas.
 
I've had a couple and will buy another one as soon as it's in the budget. granted it's not the most accurate or powerful weapon out there but it has 2 very important things going for it. 1. a .22 in your pocket when you need it is better than a kimber .45 locked in your safe at the house.
2. as far as self defense goes you have to remember rule number 1. nobody wants to get shot with anything and the naa mini is better than a handful of rocks, and smaller too.
the ones i've had i was pleased with and company support seems to be quite good.
 
I'm with Liam Ryan on not underestimating the .22LR. Growing up, my best friend's family were mostly outlaw hunters, all they used were .22s... Also when I was very young, I saw a pretty big woman shot 3-4 times in the chest with .22lr pistol, she went down in the grass and died.... Convinced me...
 
I've got a couple NAA revolvers. My fave is the Black Widow conversion model. Its both a 22 Mag or a 22 LR depending on the cylinder you pop in it. Now that I like! For a short little thing its not too bad. I've killed rats with it from 15 feet or more a time or two. Missed a few times too though.

I'll tell ya they back up their products. I bought this conversion pistol used from a friend of mine here in town and neither he or I knew until I looked it up after buying it that it was supposed to have a LR cylinder with it. He never got it. I called the company to see if they'd make me one for it and they said to mail it. I did what they asked and mailed it out and about two weeks or less later I got it back with a new cylinder, new sheath and carry case and no charge at all for that service. Not even shipping! Now thats a company to support!

STR
 
What does "up close and personal" mean??? How about trapped in traffic by a bump scam. Now the perp is outside your vehilce with a tire iron.... Will the .22 shoot through the window?

How about in the gas station at the wrong time during a hold up and two of the perps turn to you while the 3rd works the counter??? You back up and stand at the end of the aisle taking cover at the end of the rack while your wife and kids are in the bathroom locking themselves in. Would you feel protected with your Mini or run up and put it under there nose???

If you are going to carry a gun. Make sure it's a gun. For that matter if your choice is to carry illegally and be tried by 12 later then remember it makes no differnce if it's a NAA mini or a Ar-15 pistol. It's gonna be the same charge.

I don't want to start a "tactical argument here" but there isn't a serious firearms instructor that would tell you to carry a Mini. I like the little gun. I have shot one and kept my eye out for one for years but can not justify it for real defense.

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For me, it is carried in your pants pocket as a last ditch effort for someone who is trying to kill you. That means it is up close and very possibly stuck under your chin or in your nose. At that range it is extremely deadly.
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If your attacker is that close he has probably already delivered a very serious or fatal blow. It is doubtful that you will be able to call "time-out" while you fumble through your pocket for your mini. You may already be dead.

I've had a couple and will buy another one as soon as it's in the budget. granted it's not the most accurate or powerful weapon out there but it has 2 very important things going for it. 1. a .22 in your pocket when you need it is better than a kimber .45 locked in your safe at the house.
2. as far as self defense goes you have to remember rule number 1. nobody wants to get shot with anything and the naa mini is better than a handful of rocks, and smaller too.
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Good points, and the mouse gun is better than no gun. But, I feel that many of you are experiencing a false sense of security by arming yourself with such a small caliber.

Remember, it is to save your life. Why take the chance? There are plenty of small frame guns that will fit in your pocket, AND have much, much more firepower. Look into the Kel-Tec's. They are very light, flat, and very easily concealed. Better than that, a small .38 revolver. Taurus or Rossi will work fine if you are on a budget, but I really like my S&W ultralight.

The funny thing is, we all get on here and show our knives, saws, firestarters, stoves, PSK's, and even little digging trowels, and any number of other items that we like to carry in the woods. Why the resistance to carrying a larger caliber capable of STOPPING an attack? If everything you carry is geared toward surviving in the wild... why carry a substandard tool?
 
A friend of mine in Idaho carried a .22 MAG version of the NAA mini on his key chain in a pouch. You'd never know it was a gun in there.

I shot it off his porch, and MAN did it have a kick to it. FUN! Not very accurate, but if you're pinned down and your adversary is within 3-5 yards it might convince him to get off of you.
 
It's a fun gun to carry when you don't want to carry a gun....

An internationally known firearms instructor friend of mine told of a bbq that the class had after the first day of training. He was a more than a little disappointed that no one was carrying a gun and said so. His host nodded to one student and said, somewhat proudly, "He's got an NAA wrapped up in a handkerchief in his right pocket."

The Instructor looked at him like he was an idiot and said, "And he thinks he's armed?"

I feel the same way. A NAA may beat a harsh word, but not by much.

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I've got the .22 mag version because it is easier to hold than the .22lr version, and always have it on me. I have killed a racoon, possum, squirrel, and used it when butchering a couple of goats. While I agree it doesn't have knock down power, it is a good "get off me gun" as I like to call it. I carry a .380 colt mustang, or a .45 combat commander most of the time, but I always have my .22 mag naa relvolver on me.
 
I don't know what makes some of you think a 22 Mag does not mean you are armed. I've seen the wounds they cut in human bodies hit with one and can personally testify that being shot with one or even having it pointed at me would scare the tar out of me. You get hit in the arm or leg with a 22 Mag round it can literally run right up your limb in cases tearing a big arse wound cavity channel as the bullet travels along the bone. Aweful wounds from those rounds.

I had to ID a body in Arizona once from a guy I knew that was shot at a party with a 22 Mag pistol and the coroner showed me what it did to him because I asked to see it and knew I could handle it. You think you are not armed with one think again. If he had lived he would have had over 200 stitches by the time they cleaned it all up because it traveled from right above his knee cap to his hip bone! I'll grant you he didn't die right away but he died in terrible agony I can tell ya that.

Oh and I know a retired LEO that carries nothing but 22 Mag pistols in Tulsa just because he has seen what they do also. If nothing else the report alone is about enough to make one think twice before continuing to threaten someone with one. Just my opinion though.

STR
 
David, who is the internationally known firearms instructor who is a friend of yours?
 
I'd love to have one of those Glock conversion kits done up in .22 mag. sort of a Grendel P-30 that works every time. The .22 mag is underestimated.
 
Quirt said:
This will fall on deaf ears but I'll say it anyway...define the reason you need a specific tool and then select the correct tool for the job based upon its mission and not because of "feelings" or because the Chicks will Dig It or because of our "WOW" factor.

If you want to carry and use a fingernail clipper to chop fire wood then carry a fingernail clipper if it makes you "feel" better. Not trying to be a smart mouth here...just putting things into perspective. But if you need to chop wood then match the task with the approprate tool. Apply the same analogy to your situation.

Ask yourself; Do you want to "feel" secure or "be" secure? If you want to feel secure then carry the little NA in your front pocket...if you want to provide a serious level of security then invest in a tool that will provide you with security from both 2 and 4 legged preditors and perhaps double as a food gather. Also, back that tool up with some training.

But what the heck do I know?
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Hoowee that is some good advice there! Or at least I think so because I agree with it! You start with the problem, and you figure out the solution. You don't start with the solution you want, and then start inventing problems to fit it - not that I am accusing anyone here of doing that.

So if the problem you have is: I need the smallest possible gun for a last-ditch, ultra-concealable unit to hopefully save my life if an unarmed assailant is right on top of me and beating the hell out of me, then I would say you've found your gun. If the situation you are trying to deal with is something like Gene Hackman kicking the tar out of Clint Eastwood after taking his gun away in Unforgiven, then I think the NAA Mini would probably do you pretty good.

I don't know what else a guy would do with one but I won't pretend I've ever handled one, they might be good for more than that.

I would not want to go up against anyone armed with anything while using a short-barreled .22 revolver, myself. I have no experience with anything smaller than 9mm in a handgun so I can't comment on the .32s and the .380s...my favourite little gun was a Star Firestar in .45 so that shows you where my head is at!

I am a big believer in 22s...but generally out of a 16" plus barrel!
 
STR said:
I don't know what makes some of you think a 22 Mag does not mean you are armed. I've seen the wounds they cut in human bodies hit with one and can personally testify that being shot with one or even having it pointed at me would scare the tar out of me. You get hit in the arm or leg with a 22 Mag round it can literally run right up your limb in cases tearing a big arse wound cavity channel as the bullet travels along the bone. Aweful wounds from those rounds.

I had to ID a body in Arizona once from a guy I knew that was shot at a party with a 22 Mag pistol and the coroner showed me what it did to him because I asked to see it and knew I could handle it. You think you are not armed with one think again. If he had lived he would have had over 200 stitches by the time they cleaned it all up because it traveled from right above his knee cap to his hip bone! I'll grant you he didn't die right away but he died in terrible agony I can tell ya that.

Oh and I know a retired LEO that carries nothing but 22 Mag pistols in Tulsa just because he has seen what they do also. If nothing else the report alone is about enough to make one think twice before continuing to threaten someone with one. Just my opinion though.

STR
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A 22 mag is better than a 22. Both are great for taking animals up to maybe 40 lbs. I've put down a sassy Coyote or two (head shots) with my .22 mag rifle, and many smaller critters. Of course, a .22 mag rifle has much more velocity behind it than a NAA pistol. Both work great on snakes with rat/snake shot if that is a danger in your area.

But, I must reiterate, as it seems folks are not getting the point of a defensive handgun here... the issue is NOT lethality, but STOPPING POWER. That is, the ability to cease the attack on your life with your handgun. Allow me to try to explain.

The .22 or .22 mag will likely do the job with a nicely placed head shot. Under the pressure of defending your life it is very unlikely that anyone can make that shot (except for on TV). A center mass hit with a .22 will likely prove to be lethal, but not soon enough to prevent being stabbed, bludgeoned, or just beaten badly by your attacker. That, in a nutshell, is the difference between lethality and stopping power. The bad-guy may be mortally wounded, but your handgun did not STOP the attack. Hopefully, you survive the attack. I don't want to take that unnecessary risk.

Another misconception here is that the production of your mouse gun will provoke such fear in your attacker than he will immediately pee his pants and terminate his attack. Ask yourself this question: Why would someone attack you unprovoked and wish to harm you? Certainly not the actions of a sane and sober person. Given that fact, it is reasonable for you to expect logical behavior out of your attacker and hope that the mere sight of your mouse gun will cause the attack to cease? If that were the case there would be NO defensive shootings in the world.

The reality is that the attack will come so fast that you will not have time to fumble through your pocket for your mouse gun, produce it, cock it and make the requisite head shot. If it makes you feel safe, fine, you are only fooling yourself.... and... risking your life.

OK... off my soapbox, now...;)
 
NAA Mini velocity .22lr

NAA Mini .22mag velocity

Don't confuse a .22mag from a pistol or rifle and a .22mag from a NAA mini. .22mag hardley reaches .22lr velocities that we normally think of. Again I am not being critical of the gun itself but of the idea that it is adequate for defense. I want one, but the limitations must be understood.

The attacker will not come alone.
The attacker will not give you the tactical advantage.
The attacker will choose a wepon that they are comfortable with.
You will be fighting from behind the curve.

Do you think your weapon will overcome their attack, their planning and their choice of weapon and are you comfortable with the weapon you have chose to defend your life with?

Think of it as a Drag race for life. He has the faster car and got to take off from the line first. Do you really think you can catch him with a stock car?

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