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The Most illegal production knife?
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This is not directed at anyone specific (although it was mentioned in an earlier post) and alittle off topic but I never understood the "Don't you have anything better to do than hassle me" mindset. I understand that the laws are stipid. I totally agree with you: HOWEVER it is still the law. I hate to say this but if you are carring an illegal knife you are a criminal(ie someone who has committed a crime). Now it may not be murder but it is still a crime. As far as the tape recorder goes, do not do that to me or you will find yourself in front of a judge on illeagal wiretap charges.
Most cops that I know will agree that the most illegal knife is the one that was just used in a crime. If you are not stupid with the way you use your knife you should have nothing to worry about. In other words do not wave it in front of people, "play" threaten someone with it, and for heavens sakes never go up to a cop and say "Hey officer is this knife in my pocket illegal?" and whip it out. Just keep walking or say hello as you walk by.
Just a thought in my head (and no it is not lonely, I have other thoughts in there too {donuts}
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Rich
Most cops that I know will agree that the most illegal knife is the one that was just used in a crime. If you are not stupid with the way you use your knife you should have nothing to worry about. In other words do not wave it in front of people, "play" threaten someone with it, and for heavens sakes never go up to a cop and say "Hey officer is this knife in my pocket illegal?" and whip it out. Just keep walking or say hello as you walk by.
Just a thought in my head (and no it is not lonely, I have other thoughts in there too {donuts}
Rich
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John and Rich, what can I say. Your ignorance of supposed wire tap laws shines ever so bright. Rich, work with me here. Wire tap would be defined as tapping a wire. For the illiterate, that means recording a conversation being transmitted over a wire, such as telephone conversations. I think you make it crystal clear to everyone why LEO's make bogus arrests. You don't know what you are talking about. I would love for you to arrest me for illegal wire tapping of a face to face conversation.
John, it is not illegal to recorded a person to person conversation. You have confused the laws on wire tapping and survelance. I think your response makes it crystal clear as to why I shouldn't waste my money on an attorney.
Good night, good bye, and good riddance!
Moderator, while you are in the process of locking and moving this forum, go ahead and delete my account. I have no desire to continue posting with the likes of Rich and John.
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John, it is not illegal to recorded a person to person conversation. You have confused the laws on wire tapping and survelance. I think your response makes it crystal clear as to why I shouldn't waste my money on an attorney.
Good night, good bye, and good riddance!
Moderator, while you are in the process of locking and moving this forum, go ahead and delete my account. I have no desire to continue posting with the likes of Rich and John.
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JGardnerA, every state I have seen has a law that specifically outlaws them. I used to own one I got from US Cav or BQ before they were illegal. I got tired of it and sold it just before they became illegal. For a while you could buy them without the springs.
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"Abner" is a rude little troll, but he IS basically correct. It is legal to record either face to face or telephonic communications as long as at least ONE of the persons involved in the conversation is aware it is being recorded, and provided that the tape may not be used in a CRIMINAL court. It is admissable evidence in a Civil Court.
This is Federal law, some variation may occur from State to State.
By the way "Abner" when you tell the Mod to delete your account do you mean the Abner Normal account, the Alex O'leary account, or both?
You really should have used a different email address in your profile if you wanted to troll and flame.
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Tráceme no sin la razón, envoltura mi no sin honor
Usual Suspect
This is Federal law, some variation may occur from State to State.
By the way "Abner" when you tell the Mod to delete your account do you mean the Abner Normal account, the Alex O'leary account, or both?
You really should have used a different email address in your profile if you wanted to troll and flame.
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Abbie,
I think you miss the jist of John's practical and well phrased advice, go to the source, the prosecuting attorney or whoever is responsible for interpreting and prosecuting offenses.
I'm pretty new here also, but I've enjoyed the 100's of educational post that John and Rich have made. On more then one occasion, someone was able to help me out when I was wrong. You've posted a whopping 9 times! I don't think you will be missed. I also don't think that the "the Police Officer said I could" defense is going to work well for you.
Even if you have it on tape.
Chuck
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I think you miss the jist of John's practical and well phrased advice, go to the source, the prosecuting attorney or whoever is responsible for interpreting and prosecuting offenses.
I'm pretty new here also, but I've enjoyed the 100's of educational post that John and Rich have made. On more then one occasion, someone was able to help me out when I was wrong. You've posted a whopping 9 times! I don't think you will be missed. I also don't think that the "the Police Officer said I could" defense is going to work well for you.
Even if you have it on tape.
Chuck
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Not "The Most illegal production knife," but Wave feature on Emerson knives makes them illegal in Massachusetts.
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abner normal, While I understand that things may be a little different where you live, in PENNSYLVANIA, it is illegal to tape record someone without their knowledge, be it face to face or not. It falls under what is called the "Wire Tap" laws. I did not name them, the PA Crimes Code (Title 18) did. I understand that you most likely got your training in the law from TV but in the real world, things are different. Wire Tap is a general term used by law enforcement in my area to describe the taping of a transmittion(phone, computer, face to face, ect...).
Rich
PS Alex this is not the place to discuss this because it has no knife content, email and we can talk more (You already have my address, that donut joke was funny)
Rich
PS Alex this is not the place to discuss this because it has no knife content, email and we can talk more (You already have my address, that donut joke was funny)
I just realized how rude it was not to share the joke with everyone, just to let you know were "abby" is coming from. this is not to start anything but just for info purposes. This was in my email from him:
"What do a good cop and a donut have in common?
They both have a hole in them.
Rich
"What do a good cop and a donut have in common?
They both have a hole in them.
Rich
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Wow . . . I'm taken by surprise to say the least. At no time was my post meant to belittle anyone.
"Abner Normal" no offense was meant or intended. I was simply attempting to inform.
I should point out that 90% of my experience is with Florida State law, with the remainder being mostly Federal Firearms laws.
As to the subject at hand. In the State of Florida it's called "Illegal Intercept of an Oral Communication" and is covered under FSS Chapter 934 aka "Security of Communications"
Specifically FSS 934.03 aka "Interception and disclosure of wire, oral, or electronic communications prohibited"
To quote FSS 934.03(1)(a) "Intentionally intercepts, endeavors to intercept, or procures any other person to intercept or endeavor to intercept any wire, oral, or electronic communication"
So there is no misunderstanding, here are a couple of definitions for you:
"Intercept" means the aural or other acquisition of the contents of any wire, electronic, or oral communication through the use of any electronic, mechanical, or other device.
"Oral communication" means any oral communication uttered by a person exhibiting an expectation that such communication is not subject to interception under circumstances justifying such expectation and does not mean any public oral communication uttered at a public meeting or any electronic communication.
As to their not needing to have knowledge of the interception (taping) and every person needing to give consent:
934.03(3)(d) It is lawful under ss. 934.03-934.09 for a person to intercept a wire, oral, or electronic communication when all of the parties to the communication have given prior consent to such interception.
Sure this is just an example of Florida State law. But I think you'll find that most states have laws along the same lines. There is also a specific Federal law that comes into play, but I don't know it well enough to quote it or have the inclination to look it up.
I stand behind my post and the information it contains.
Again, I hope this helps . . . . someone
Sorry there's no real knife content
Respectfully,
John
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"Abner Normal" no offense was meant or intended. I was simply attempting to inform.
I should point out that 90% of my experience is with Florida State law, with the remainder being mostly Federal Firearms laws.
As to the subject at hand. In the State of Florida it's called "Illegal Intercept of an Oral Communication" and is covered under FSS Chapter 934 aka "Security of Communications"
Specifically FSS 934.03 aka "Interception and disclosure of wire, oral, or electronic communications prohibited"
To quote FSS 934.03(1)(a) "Intentionally intercepts, endeavors to intercept, or procures any other person to intercept or endeavor to intercept any wire, oral, or electronic communication"
So there is no misunderstanding, here are a couple of definitions for you:
"Intercept" means the aural or other acquisition of the contents of any wire, electronic, or oral communication through the use of any electronic, mechanical, or other device.
"Oral communication" means any oral communication uttered by a person exhibiting an expectation that such communication is not subject to interception under circumstances justifying such expectation and does not mean any public oral communication uttered at a public meeting or any electronic communication.
As to their not needing to have knowledge of the interception (taping) and every person needing to give consent:
934.03(3)(d) It is lawful under ss. 934.03-934.09 for a person to intercept a wire, oral, or electronic communication when all of the parties to the communication have given prior consent to such interception.
Sure this is just an example of Florida State law. But I think you'll find that most states have laws along the same lines. There is also a specific Federal law that comes into play, but I don't know it well enough to quote it or have the inclination to look it up.
I stand behind my post and the information it contains.
Again, I hope this helps . . . . someone
Sorry there's no real knife content
Respectfully,
John
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Ahem, getting back to the real subject.....
I've been thinking about the legality of the Boa. After having played with it, I decided that it does NOT fall under the definition of switchblade. Mainly because, there is no button-release mechanism, and I feel this is proven by the fact that if you push the trigger slowly, the blade will not release. However, this is true of every switchblade. I'm not a lawyer or anything, but if it does go to court, I hope it stands up as being legal.....
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I've been thinking about the legality of the Boa. After having played with it, I decided that it does NOT fall under the definition of switchblade. Mainly because, there is no button-release mechanism, and I feel this is proven by the fact that if you push the trigger slowly, the blade will not release. However, this is true of every switchblade. I'm not a lawyer or anything, but if it does go to court, I hope it stands up as being legal.....
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"Never let your morals get in the way of doing what's right" -Hari Seldon, Foundation, -Aasimov