The new Coote is up and running .......

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I received my 2 X 10 X 72 Coote Monday a week ago. I have piddled about putting the drive train together and though the base for the motor and grinder is not how I want it to be it is enough to do some testing. (For those unaware, the Coote does not come with a motor).

The Coote came in a nice Navy gray and well finished. I like that because of my experience at Newport News Shipbuilding during the Reagon years. Navy gray is very easy to look at, especially for me.

I tested my Coote setup a little this evening by putting a rather large hunk of unknown steel type to her. I wanted primarily to see if, under load, my DC motor would bogg down, my DC drive would over current, and if the Coote would continue to track. I applied the steel cautiously at first and with more confidence really shoved it in a few times. All did just fine. There was no noticable change in tracking while applying the steel to the flat platen. No speed difference was noticed while loading the grinder with the work piece. There was a small shift in tracking while moving the work piece on and across the tool rest but the belt returned to home immediately upon removing the work piece. That I thought understandable and was expected. I did notice grinding on the hard flat platen seemed to cause a lot of chatter. Some of that is probably because I do not yet know what speed to run the motor at, but I think when I attach the graphite stip that Pop (Pop's Knife Supply) sent me - to the flat platen it will cushon the chatter somewhat. Although I have only tried one belt, the sample 120 grit belt that came with the grinder, removing and installing the belt is very easy and very quick. For now, except for letting the system free run for an extended period to check for over heating (successful), I have not ground that much with her yet.

Testing like I have is not at all like actually grinding a blade. Only then will I know how well she really performs. For now, I am pleased very much with the Coote. One thing is there is no way I see built into the machine for tightening of worn belts. Rhino advised me of this before I bought the Coote and also said that Norman Coote has, upon Rhino's recommendation to him, a modification or option for that. I do however believe that situation can be resolved in-house if needed, and it may well be.

In passing: I thank L6 for advising me to build my own 2 X 72 (I am building part of it), Rhino for recommending the Coote ( http://www.cootebeltgrinder.com/ ) over equal to price and less expensive models, Itrade for directing me to a good source for a DC motor ( http://www.sciplus.com/category.cfm?subsection=18&category=174 ) and all those on this forum that advised me as to what size drive wheel to aquire (10 inch instead of 8 inch - for hollow grinding). I am very pleased with my choices that were based largely upon your recommendations.

Roger
 
Hi rlinger !

I am happy for you !
I have the same (with 10" and 8" contact wheel
but I always use the 10") I am very pleased with
this grinder !

The only negative point that I find to him, it is
the flat platten which is not really adapted to
make tapering tang... But otherwise, it is a
good machine

Good luck for your first try !

Alain M-D
 
Alain,

Thanks for the feed back. Did I mention that I received the Purple Heart? It sure is pretty. I had no idea that wood looked so nice.

Thanks; Roger
 
it 3:00 am here, i thought you had ground off some of your flesh already! LOL. the graphite cloth will help with the chatter as well as you getting a touch for it. i use rubber cement for the cloth. also you will find quality ceramaic belts will fracture the metal off at slower speeds with less pressure. i remenber how great it was to finally have a real grinder.
 
Want you to know that you made a good choice when you got the Cootes grinder. When I finally decided to stop screwing around trying to make do with something that wasn't ment for grinding knives I got a Coote's. That was over 7 years ago, I have since gotten the top of the line grinder, at least thats what my Hardcore was 3 years ago when I bought it. I thought at the time the Cootes was going to be left alone but I was wrong. Its still used as much or even more than the Hardcore grinder.

I don't know what your using for belts but this is just a tip. I know Pop has the 3-M Cubitron belts, there alittle spendy but not bad but there the best belt out there, they say there 2 to 1 over other belts. I'd say 5 to 1 if not more......Ray
 
You might want to reconsider the graphite pad on the platen. You will never get flat work while it's on there. You'd be much better off with a pyroceram liner.

Edited to add: The belt chattering is usually the sign of a dull belt. If you are using inexpensive AO belts, it will happen a lot.:eek: ;)
 
Roger,
Great report!
So that treadmill motor doesn't bog down eh? Which motor did you get, the leeson? What controller did you get? More importantly, do you mind telling me how much you have in your whole motor setup? My Coote was shipped the 10th, hoping to get it soon! :D
One last thing, how long is the platen? I want to try and order one of those pyroceram liners today! :eek:
 
Just curious, Ray how many 4" to 5" blades can you rough grind out of 1 of the 3M belts. Thats profile and grind to finsh, you know,before going to finer grit belts to clean up before heat treating.

Thanks,

Bill
 
Bill, I am not Ray and I don't use 3M belts I use Norton hoggers.
I get 30+ blades profiling and hollow grinding down to the heat treat point on 3/16 ATS34 using 36g to profile, 60g to start the hollow and 120g to clean it up. I get my belts from Tru-Grit. I would say that I use a 10" wheel running at over 6500fpm.
Gib
 
Hey Old Fart, just cause you feeling better you think you can get away with being an old Fart.

Bill, Very seldom do I do pure stock removal anymore so my blades are pretty much profiled before I start. The 3-M Cubitron belts I got were also in 80 grit. I'm still using the first two belts I got over a month ago but did break out a new one today. I haven't kept track of what I've done with them either but I'd say at least 4 or 5 bowie blades and another 4 or 5 L-6 smaller blades. I do like them better than the Norton hoggers but I haven't tried the hoggers in 80 grit either.

There is a post on CKD I started when I got these belts in the tool section with some positive responce on these belts. Ray
 
Junkcar,

The flat platen is 9 1/2 inches total length on this 10 inch wheel model; 6 3/4 inches of usable platen with the tool table installed.

I got the Leeson, the one at the top of their site page. I bought the new one for 49 bucks but received a used one instead. I didn't say anything and it works fine. If I order another for a buffer I'll bitch then. With shipping, I paid $57.45 for the motor. The label reads 2 HP and also reads 14 amps. The motor did not come with a base but does have two threaded holes for one. I made my own HINGED base (link to pics below).

I bought my DC drive on Ebay. I have $62.50 in it which includes shipping. It is a 1 1/2 HP (15 amps output with 115 volt input). It is a KB Electronics model KBRG 225D. It came brand new in box. It did not come with a front panel. I made one from plexiglass so I could monitor the various LEDs on the circuit board (link to pics below).

For DC drives on Ebay I do a search for 'KB Electronics' or a search for 'DC drive' or a search for 'DC controller'. You can check specs on these drives by going to the vendor's web site. KB Electronics even offers free downloads on some of their controller manuals. I bought another controller for 42 bucks plus shipping. It is a Minarik 1 HP/10 amp. I'll use that one on a buffer when I find the right 3/4 to 1 HP DC motor.

I got the pulleys from Norman Coote when I ordered the grinder. I have 38 bucks in the pair and $4.25 in the belt (also from Norman). The smaller pulley, at least, is NOT balanced.

Here is a couple pictures of how I rigged the drive train up. I just have it temporary now and will replace the thin base with 3/4 inch plywood this weekend. I'll then bolt the base to a workbench top. I am rigging the base so that the 10 inch drive wheel will be far enough above the table top to allow a set of fingers to pass under without being ground into spagetti sauce.
Pictures here: http://riflestocks.tripod.com/motor.html

Hope this helps. Let me know if you would like me to email you if I see a good controller for you on the Ebay.

Roger
 
Hay Old Fart #1 why don't you get some Norton hoggers and try them. On my style of Bowie's I get 10 to 12 blades on each belt. I start with 36g then 60g then 120g and so on. I can't work today it's raining out side and so I will just be content to harass OF#1
OF#2
 
Old Fart # 2, I mowed the grass today, I have never done that this time of year in Oregon.

Usually when I get done forging my blades they are almost perfect and need very little grinding. I have no need for the hoggers, just alittle wet and dry and there all done........:D
 
Roger,
Thanks man!!! I appreciate it! I want DC so bad but after buying this grinder I just can't do the real deal. Maybe some day but if I could get by with a setup like yours for a while so I can gather other important equipment, I would be very pleased. It would probably be best to get a controller that was for up to 2hp or higher wouldn't it? Any of those listed in the right hp range that say 90-180 volts would work wouldn't they?
I will say one thing right now though. Hope I don't hurt any feelings. Uhh, I am a little worried now about the small pulley. You are the second or third person I have heard say that. It may be only $13 but it is $13 I could use towards a balanced pulley. Better the small one I guess.
So now I need to order a 9½" pyroceram liner and some belts. Hope I can swing a new motor and controller soon. :)
 
I may get a set of pulleys from KMG. They are about twice the cost but are probably well balanced. I may not though because I think I can balance this pulley to close here myself.

If you have 220 V available for your grinder and you get a 180 V DC motor you can use some of these DC drives up to 2 HP. I see no problem right now with the 1 1/2 HP setup I have. Some of these DC drives work with either 115 or 220 VAC input.

Roger
 
OF#1, yea right if all you need is sand paper then what do you need a grinder for. By the way what is grass, what do you use to mow it. OF#2
 
OF#2,
Ever hear of a riding grass grinder, yes I grind my grass...

You must be getting the reminets of the storm thats been hitting Southern Cal... Its been so nice up here I feel as if I'm on another planet. It must be all the sunshine thats effecting although it looks like were going to be wet for the next few days. When it don't rain up here thats bad news but its sure nice for a change.....

I need to get out to the shop before the urge leaves.......
 
Why do you mess with exotic materials for your platens? Can you just get a piece of O1 and make one with full hardness? I've never done this but that was what I was planning on when my homebuilt is complete.
 
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