Please someone tell me.....are my eyes deceiving me? Sets of holes on both sides of the new SS Delica???? Please tell me it's not so! The likes of The Deacon will love it ( him being a southpaw), but from an engraving perspective its a crying shame. Why drill 12 holes just to give 4 different clip possitions? It's overkill if you ask me!!!
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left, right, tip up or tip down.
everyone should be happy exept for them that don't like holes.:yawn:
it will make your engraving work more difficult.
everyone should be happy exept for them that don't like holes.:yawn:
it will make your engraving work more difficult.
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Every spyderco should offer this many holes. It's sad it's taken this long to allow lefties and righties to carry a knife however suits them...
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steelarts said:
You're not left handed are you
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Marcus, I love it, for the flexibility it provides. Personally I take the clips off any I intend to carry, but I'd willing pay to fill twelve holes instead of just six so that both southpaws and righties can enjoy clipped carry either tip up or tip down.steelarts said:
I could be wrong, but it also looks like it might be possible to engrave the new Endura on both sides, leaving a small oval in the center plain as a "landing pad" for the clip, regardless of which location the user chose to mount the clip.
Hi folks, now I'm going to appear a real dummy here amongst such an esteemed bank of knowledge which you all seem to possess but can someone please explain this 'tip up or down' business to me?
The knife I carry everyday I suppose could be termed tip down if I was stupid enough to carry it open and clipped to a belt. I'd have to be even dumber to carry the knife open tip up...that'd be a guaranteed visit to Accident and Emergency for me and believe me I don't want to go there again cos I looked really dumb going in there with a fish hook in my thumb a few weeks back so self stabbing is a big No,NO! for me.
So what difference does it make? The only one that would make logical sense to me, as the knife always has to be turned into the same position for opening, is 'tip down' with holes on both sides for lefties and right handers. But why not just do a run for both? Asthetically this would be the logical way to go. I disagree about Spyders being ugly but practical but I suppose beauty is in the ey of the beholder!
The knife I carry everyday I suppose could be termed tip down if I was stupid enough to carry it open and clipped to a belt. I'd have to be even dumber to carry the knife open tip up...that'd be a guaranteed visit to Accident and Emergency for me and believe me I don't want to go there again cos I looked really dumb going in there with a fish hook in my thumb a few weeks back so self stabbing is a big No,NO! for me.
So what difference does it make? The only one that would make logical sense to me, as the knife always has to be turned into the same position for opening, is 'tip down' with holes on both sides for lefties and right handers. But why not just do a run for both? Asthetically this would be the logical way to go. I disagree about Spyders being ugly but practical but I suppose beauty is in the ey of the beholder!
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Marcus, the "tip" direction is with the knife closed. A knife where the clip screws are at the blade pivot end carries tip down, one where they are at the lanyard hole end carries tip up.
Tip down is preferred by some, because it is inherently safer, since gravity is working with you, rather than against you. This is of minor importance on a lockback like the Delica, much more so on a liner lock where only a tiny ball detent holds the blade closed. It is also preferred by those who draw their knife by grasping the round hole between their thumb and forefinger, withdrawning the knife from their pocket, and snapping it open.
Tip up is considered better by others as it positions the knife better in your hand for conventional opening. Many who carry for sel-defense favor it. It also is the required setup if the knife is to use a "wave" opener that intentionally snags on the pocket edge as the knife is being drawn.
A lot of time it just comes down to personal taste.
Tip down is preferred by some, because it is inherently safer, since gravity is working with you, rather than against you. This is of minor importance on a lockback like the Delica, much more so on a liner lock where only a tiny ball detent holds the blade closed. It is also preferred by those who draw their knife by grasping the round hole between their thumb and forefinger, withdrawning the knife from their pocket, and snapping it open.
Tip up is considered better by others as it positions the knife better in your hand for conventional opening. Many who carry for sel-defense favor it. It also is the required setup if the knife is to use a "wave" opener that intentionally snags on the pocket edge as the knife is being drawn.
A lot of time it just comes down to personal taste.
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numberthree said:
I concur.
Spyderco was first with the knife clip. Now they have made it three times more functional. For me, it's a beautiful thing to behold.
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Just to add a bit about tip up/down:
I carry tip-up if possible. I tuck th eknife to the side of my pocket, which helps keep the knfie closed. I had a tip-down AFCK from benchmade poke holes in a pair of pants and poek me in the leg which opened a bit in my pocket!
Personally, I find the tip-up safer that way given how I carry though. I frequently check my EDC to amke sure it is tucked right to the side of my pocket too.
Also, I read a psot by mick Strider noting that, at least has he beleves, tip down can be more dangerous in a vehicle crash, as if the blade is opened a bit (as mine was) or does open in the crash, it can puncture your leg more easily. Maybe true, maybe not, but was food for thought to me.
tip up/down has a bazillion posts on the forus though, so a search could yeild hours, no DAYS of reading I'm sure
I agree that the new style is more functional for the broad public. It would be a bad business decision though to make runs of knvies with separate tip up and tip down, left and right carry. That would add to the cost fo the knvies for sure.
I carry tip-up if possible. I tuck th eknife to the side of my pocket, which helps keep the knfie closed. I had a tip-down AFCK from benchmade poke holes in a pair of pants and poek me in the leg which opened a bit in my pocket!
Personally, I find the tip-up safer that way given how I carry though. I frequently check my EDC to amke sure it is tucked right to the side of my pocket too.
Also, I read a psot by mick Strider noting that, at least has he beleves, tip down can be more dangerous in a vehicle crash, as if the blade is opened a bit (as mine was) or does open in the crash, it can puncture your leg more easily. Maybe true, maybe not, but was food for thought to me.
tip up/down has a bazillion posts on the forus though, so a search could yeild hours, no DAYS of reading I'm sure
I agree that the new style is more functional for the broad public. It would be a bad business decision though to make runs of knvies with separate tip up and tip down, left and right carry. That would add to the cost fo the knvies for sure.
Would it really add to the cost to do a run for southpaws? A set of left handed golf clubs cost the same as a right handed set. And if you're going to drill 4 sets of holes it doesn't matter which side you leave blank. You're tooled up to drill and even in this amazing technological age I doubt very much that the 12 holes are being drilled simultaneously.
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Hi Steelarts,
Spyderco began making "southpaw" models in 1981. My wife, Gail, is a southpaw.
From 1981 until mid 90's we were still making southpaw models.
We've done a few sprints with southpaw versions.
In the end, the Del4 comes in; two handle materials, three blade variations, a waved version dark gray/blue), a trainer, there will be a blue ZDP sprint version and we're also looking at additional colors. Making a lefty version doubles the inventory.
A second poroblem we ran into was upgrading the design. We'd make a change to the model and offer the new version, but we still had far too many left hand pieces sitting on the shelf. They had to be closed out and all of the problems associated with closeouts.
Hope that helps.
sal
Spyderco began making "southpaw" models in 1981. My wife, Gail, is a southpaw.
From 1981 until mid 90's we were still making southpaw models.
We've done a few sprints with southpaw versions.
In the end, the Del4 comes in; two handle materials, three blade variations, a waved version dark gray/blue), a trainer, there will be a blue ZDP sprint version and we're also looking at additional colors. Making a lefty version doubles the inventory.
A second poroblem we ran into was upgrading the design. We'd make a change to the model and offer the new version, but we still had far too many left hand pieces sitting on the shelf. They had to be closed out and all of the problems associated with closeouts.
Hope that helps.
sal
Thanks for that Sal, I just happen to be a great fan of the Delica and being an engraver I just love the 'canvas' it gives me. It's such a practical sized knife and not too heavy even in stainless steel. Pin holes are the bane of my life when engraving game scenes on guns and rifles, and now even my favourite Spyderco has them...grrrr! Still, I suppose filling them is a "customising option" I can offer in the future as at least I know a man that can!
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Hi Steelarts,
My apologies for putting function above appearance. It is Spyderco's "flaw" in the appearance department. Try to find beauty in the "refinement" and "natural" evoution of design
I guess your challenge is "how to incorporate the holes into the art to enhance the art".
They're not holes, they're the head of the comets, eyes in a crowd?
Challenge?
sal
My apologies for putting function above appearance. It is Spyderco's "flaw" in the appearance department. Try to find beauty in the "refinement" and "natural" evoution of design
I guess your challenge is "how to incorporate the holes into the art to enhance the art".
They're not holes, they're the head of the comets, eyes in a crowd?
Challenge?
sal