The new employees can't afford a Buck knife

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ShivSam

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Here's the real deal for all you slackjawed worshipers of Buck. The move to Idaho was wrong, The operation should have gone to Tiawan. $7.00 an hour broken down in Post Falls, Idaho to a Buck employee is this. $280.00 a week less 15%+/- in necessary deductions = $238.00 take home. $100.00 a week for housing (in a shithole) =$138.00 take home. Utilities a week $32.00=$106.00 take home. 10 gallons of gas a week to and from work at $2.10 a gallon +/- =$21.00, which now makes it $85.00 a week take home. Food for a small family is at least $40.00 a week. Now you bringing $45.00 a week home from your dream job at Buck. I won't figure in medical ins. to costly in Idaho most people don't have it. And total coverage for the family is not a free thing at Buck, I was interviewed today and asked that question, spouses and children are an extra cost, the exact costs weren't known by the interviewer. Auto insurance, the basic is at least $20.00 a week, so now your god Buck is giving you $25.00 a week to live on. Got a car payment ? Credit card payment ? Did you want to go to the gun show at the Fair Grounds ? Did you want to by that Buck knife you helped to make ? Sure go for it... on $7.00 an hour. Praise Buck :barf:
 
Maybe they should have just closed like Shrade?

Why would you take the time to register (I notice your new this month) jsut to rant like this?

Did mommy not suckle us long enough?
 
Yeah maybe they should give a $100,000 starting wage to everyone who intereviews with them. Who should have to work their way up in this country right?
 
Hey Shiv,
I am not sure what the problem is. Buck is going to pay the prevailing wage for the area. Maybe those opening positions are not careers but they could be career starters for someone starting out. I have seen quite a few people here start at the ground level and move up pretty high in the company. They worked their butts off to get where they are now. Isn't that what it is all about? My personal situation aside, that is how i was always taught is was supposed to work.
If you don't want to start at the ground level, more education always helps. Am I sounding condenscending? I am not trying to, I'm just completely confused by your post. :confused:
If you just want to rant, send me an email, I get paid to listen to stuff like this. But don't come on this forum and insult the rest of the folks that come on here to talk knives. The majority of those your post is upsetting have absolutely nothing to do with setting the rate of pay at Buck Knives.
I should have deleted this thread but am hoping you are just having a bad day, we all do.
So welcome to the forums, your welcome to post here anytime as long as you play nice.
 
OK u dont want them (Buck Knives,Inc.) fine West Virginia will take them and we have lots of Big Deer here JOE and the snow dont get 8 feet deep!!! most all companes have a learning wage, its called 'entry leavel' and i at 41 took 6.50$ hr jobs to make a liveing rather then sh-t back on unemlployment...
shive sam wake up, you dont have to go to work there, [tho if you are on unemployment you may have to apply for a job there course maby you dont want to work]....

and you can keep your race comments to your self :barf: , i got tired of hearing it years ago from thoes with too little intelgenace to know better and grow up on their own...


LIFE,WORK & WAGES 101 for wineing :yawn: shive sam...
the reality is this we had a printing company (quad) move in and they did not pay as much Here as they did were they left... ok no big deal lots of people applyed for and got jobs and lots of them left and they had a tremdenous trunover rate... starting pay went up and the rate droped some... the amount of pay increase after 6 mos went up and the turn over rate droped some more.... this whole time the quility of employees went up.... the rate for 'skilled' trades in maintaince also went up and even more as if machines dont run company dont make mony... down time is no mony time for all... now they print national geo mag here. :D

SO silly shivsam - if buck is inapropeatly under the line in wages it will catch up with then and certently show up in quality!!!! you only have bargon employees for a short time as others will hire the underpaid away from them and they will be left only with the trash workers which will show up as trash product.
Buck Knives is mostly famley operated and watched over NOT jest in the office but in the shop and on the production line... Joe spent his time on the line (did'nt you ?) so did CJ and AL. they will know what is giong on and adjust for what is needed. it is the calforina laws and not the calfroina workers that buck is escaping ...grow up
not so respectfuly yours d.
 
I'm making $12.00 an hour at a job that requires a college degree. Thats before the state and federal government gets their share of it. My grandparents raised 3 children and sent 2 of them to college(the third didn't go only because he didn't want to go) on the equivalent of that. And did I also mention that they built a house, not buy one.
 
ShivSam said:
Here's the real deal for all you slackjawed worshipers of Buck. The move to Idaho was wrong, The operation should have gone to Tiawan. $7.00 an hour broken down in Post Falls, Idaho to a Buck employee is this. $280.00 a week less 15%+/- in necessary deductions = $238.00 take home. $100.00 a week for housing (in a shithole) =$138.00 take home. Utilities a week $32.00=$106.00 take home. 10 gallons of gas a week to and from work at $2.10 a gallon +/- =$21.00, which now makes it $85.00 a week take home. Food for a small family is at least $40.00 a week. Now you bringing $45.00 a week home from your dream job at Buck. I won't figure in medical ins. to costly in Idaho most people don't have it. And total coverage for the family is not a free thing at Buck, I was interviewed today and asked that question, spouses and children are an extra cost, the exact costs weren't known by the interviewer. Auto insurance, the basic is at least $20.00 a week, so now your god Buck is giving you $25.00 a week to live on. Got a car payment ? Credit card payment ? Did you want to go to the gun show at the Fair Grounds ? Did you want to by that Buck knife you helped to make ? Sure go for it... on $7.00 an hour. Praise Buck :barf:
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Here's a quarter, call someone who cares :p
 
Just out of curiosity, what is it that you have to offer Buck that's worth more than $7 an hour??? From your posts, it doesn't sound like anyone else is paying you even that much currently.
 
WTF do you want for an entry level position? To make decent money in the US in these days of globalization, you need a marketable skill. That means college, an apprenticeship - ie plumber, electrician, etc, starting at the bottom somewhere and working your way up, or starting your own business and busting your balls. Nobody is going to give you a bunch of money just because you're sooo cool. If the job market sucks in Idaho, move. Try paying rent in Commiefornia and you'll know why wages are so high there.

I'm really impressed at the price/quality ratio of Buck's knives. Given that they are US made, it's a miracle. I'm also impressed that they are staying in the US. I'm not sure that I would make that decision in their shoes. It costs so much to move that I'd be real tempted to go offshore instead.

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Gordon
 
Please see my post at waiting for Buck to move to Post Falls, Phil D [person responsible for Bucks move to Idaho.
 
Get over it, you come off like a big cry baby. Here's a hint: Are you worth more than $7.00 an hour? Then don't go where the $7.00 an hour jobs are. Why do you feel that Buck owes you a living somehow?

I'm sure Buck has some higher paying jobs if you have the skills or experience they're looking for. If not, get started on the bottom just like we all did.
 
Ummmmm do you have a college degree or lots of experience at manageing, maybe a machineist, computer tech or something and they offered you 7bux an hour, or are you just somebody with a high school diploma and spotty work history that was going to be on the line putting pins in the buck minis or something. If you dont like getting offered 7.00 an hour go to school and get an education and a marketable skill.
 
Where on earth did this post come from!? :barf:

I'm sure Buck pays what they need to pay to get labor. I for one am very glad they stayed in the USA. If anything, I'm pissed that they are moving out of California (even taking Paul Bos!), but I'll blame Grey Davis for that one.
 
I think that slamming people for liking Buck Knives just because you don't agree with their employment practices is way out of line. If Buck wants to stay in business they have to be competative. As a Californian, I'm sorry to see Buck go. They have been an institution here in Southern California for many years. But I can understand where Buck is coming from. The fact is that California is not a business friendly state. If you have a problem with the way they do business, deal with it in an appropriate manner, don't go blaming Buck customers for the fact that you don't like Bucks hiring policy. :rolleyes:
 
Luckily.................you dont live in the Ukraine................so you dont have to work there if you dont want to!!!!



I am sorry you chose the Buck forum to vent your feelings.........


but telling someone how to run their business and what they should or shouldnt pay someone is not your job...........unless of course you get a job on the board or something!!!
I think you have to go to school for at least 16 years to be able to apply for that kind of work!! :p
 
I think ShivSam brings up a valid point, in an over the top fashion. Perhaps he only posted it in the wrong place. Maybe it belongs in 'w&c' or even the Political Forum.
 
textoothpk said:
I think ShivSam brings up a valid point, in an over the top fashion. Perhaps he only posted it in the wrong place. Maybe it belongs in 'w&c' or even the Political Forum.
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How is what he is saying valid at all? Buck pays going rate for unskilled labor. So does every fast-food establishment in the whole country. I don't see anyone getting pissed at McDonalds for paying their cashiers minimum wage.
 
I've been following this thread and I have to say something.

When I started out as a machinist/apprentice I was paid minimum wage. I got that because I was unskilled labor being trained to be skilled labor. Each year I got under my belt, I got a raise. It took 4 years to finish my schooling and another year on the job under the supervision of a master machinist.

It was a long road, sure.

Was I short of money? hell yes.

But when I got my papers I got a big raise. A really big raise. I spent the next 25 years as a paper carrying machinist and by the time I retired I was a tool maker pulling down 24.80 per hour. I had no problem supporting a wife and three kids, and a nice lifestyle. New truck every two years weather I needed it or not, hunting trips, ect...

BUT- I got there by working my butt off when I was young, taking night school in math, studying what my seniors at work told me to study. And It paid off.

I get really p---ed off when I hear some candy a-- crying because he was not offered what he thought he should get. Maybe instead of crying about it, ask the folks at Buck about any apprentice programs, show an interst in learning the rungs of the ladder up. If no openings at Buck to your likeing then become skilled at something where the employer wants you bad enough that they make YOU an offer. But you have to have something to offer THEM!

The Buck company had too many long term employees in El Cajon to be a bad employer. Lets get real here. Sammy needs to stop crying and get off his butt and make a life. And life is just like a bed. You make the bed you lay in, good or bad. No shortcuts!
 
Steven Roos said:
How is what he is saying valid at all? Buck pays going rate for unskilled labor. So does every fast-food establishment in the whole country. I don't see anyone getting pissed at McDonalds for paying their cashiers minimum wage.
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My own state, Michigan, is loosing good, well paying jobs weekly to other states. After taking advantage of whatever good business environment we offered, they desert us, heading south, usually. What the company offers their new employees is dirt. What the State government where they have moved to gives the company is everything. Tax breaks galore, discounts on utilities, ultra-low worker's comp, relaxed work rules and regulations.

Not long ago in this forum, someone was questioning the quality of Buck knives made in Taiwan. The offical answer was something along the lines of 'Made to our High standards'. OK, is that going to be the answer Buck gives in the future when we question the quality of product produced by the new, unskilled workers in Idaho?

And Idaho... once you've given Buck everything they have asked for, and they have finally used up the depreciation of buildings and machinery, and the workers have unionized... say good bye to your "investment". They'll be off to Taiwan, or more likely China to make their product.

edited to add: "Why did someone give me a negative reputation point for my simple first post?"

Kinda thin-skinned around here or what?

I make the motion to move this thread to 'Political' or W&C.
 
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