the new schrades have arrived

I'd generally never wish ill will upon anyone, however, I solemnly hope this venture falls flat.
 
I mentioned these knives in a post earlier today.....RE: LT was right....as usual.

By the way the wholesale price on these knives is $15.12 + shipping....from Blue Ridge Cutlery.

Bill
 
Bill,
I saw your post but was unsure what you were referring too.
Sorry for the double posting.
 
After Bill's post I did a search on the web trying to find these things, but didn't think to search Ebay.

I have the same feeling as if I'd just seen my father wearing a Nazi armband... or maybe I should write 'Klu Klux Klan' hood, as that is more appropriate for Taylor cutlery, as this pic shows:
 
The description states the knife is imported but the box has an American flag on it. This is not acceptable to the FTC (federal trade commission). The FTC sued Stanley and several other companies a couple of years ago for deceiving the public in this manner. Anything that has the American flag on it and gives the impression that it is American made and really isn't is asking for the FTC to step in.
 
I'm not expecting these to go far. Still too many Schrades around for any Taylor/Schrade to compete against. Why buy this model, when you can still easily find the "original." Even a cheaper price isn't going to intice many. This Company doesn't seem to be thinking long term. Wouldn't they have been wiser to hold off introducing this "new run" of Schrades in a couple more years? I don't know...maybe it wouldn't really matter..when. I wouldn't foresee the Schrade "well" going dry anytime soon. There really are only a few older models getting tougher to find......well....tougher to find at a reasonable price.
Will be interesting to see if this brings the current pricing on Schrades down a peg. I've watched prices almost double on most models from last Fall to now...and some models have tripled.
I've gathered a few models myself just for the purpose of reselling at a future date to "cut a profit." Maybe the best "cut" these knives will ever make!! :D hehehe...just joking...I love my Schrades.
 
Larry,
Certainly no need to apologize. Maybe I should have picked a more specific title for that thread. Thanks for the link with a picture.

philw,
I agree that is a bit deceptive..... :(
Looks like Taylor may be using some old Schrade boxes to get rid of them. If they had those printed up just for these new imported knives...... :mad:
I posted once before about a Smith & Wesson knife from Taylor that I felt was deceptive as well. Maybe it's just Taylor's idea of shrewd marketing..... :rolleyes:

Bill
 
Well, as far as Taylor Schrades go, expect to see about seven to ten more patterns real soon, in addition to the three rams horn slipjoints we have seen so far.

They are expecting about 10 of the Schrade patterns to come in within week or two. They don't have a list of the patterns yet. Nor a catalog, or flyers or anything advertising anything yet. They have been selling them to distributors who just ask for them to send them on when they come in. They are working on some of the fixed blades and they think one or two patterns are coming in on this shipment.

As an aside there is, so far, a saving grace with at least these first three patterns, in that they are pretty easily discernable from the Imperial Schrades. At least for those of us familiar with the originals.

Codger
 
Those item descriptions are long and wordy, but there was oine word the seller was careful not to use. So I flat out sent him an email asking where these knives were made. His answer:

MANUFACTURED TO TAYLOR CUTLERY USA SPECIFICATIONS IN CHINA

Frankly, these don't look much better than the Rough Riders, and I have to admit, some of those look very, very good. It looks like buyers will be paying a premium for the 'Schrade' name.

What SleepingBear brings up is interesting; These new China/Taylors (I will not use Schrade in the same phrase as China) will be competing against a huge supply of originals. I gotta ask the question... why would anyone buy one? Let's watch ebay and see who does.

Phil

PS... if my post above with the obscene illustration of Taylor's past work offends any of you.. let me know by email and I will make it go away, without comment or argument. My point is to show this company will do anything for a buck. Said point has probably been made.
 
Phil,

I like your last post. I take much offense to these China-made knives being packaged in USA boxes. It's just down-right disgusting, besides being blatantly fraudulent. You can't blame the guy for doing all that he can to make a living, but where are his scruples? At least put a Chinese flag on the box and call it what it is. I also take offense to this import wearing the "Old Timer" badge of honor. The "Old Timer" brand, at least to me, represents 50+ years of AMERICAN hand-crafted beauty and quality. I do not appreciate seeing that name on imported products.

Maybe I'm just too old school. :confused: I know for a fact that I'm too damned patriotic. Nahhhh... You can't be too patriotic. :D
 
TedGamble said:
......You can't blame the guy for doing all that he can to make a living, but where are his scruples?...........Maybe I'm just too old school.......
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An appropriate spot to insert a quote if ever I saw one. I am doing an online interview with Steve Paolantonio, grandson of Colonial Knife founder Antonio Paolantonio. In that interview he said:

"Colonial and Imperial and Schrade would exchange ideas and would help each other out. It was a very close relationship of trust and friendship...... But then again we did not have the competition that's out there today.

Plus there was always the gentleman's agreement...with the other knife companies that prevented each of us from hurting the other guy, our fathers were all friends with each other and there was enough business to go around without hurting anyone.

I guess you can say we all shared a piece of the pie. It was not until the mid 80's that the family members were retired and outsiders came into run the business's and that was the beginning of the end of the friendships."

Sad but true. I don't know how you would get a more "inside" perspective than that.

Codger
 
Hey Codger
When we gonna see the rest of the interview.. Sounds interesting.
 
I'm waiting for word from the forum Moderators as to where I can post it. I sent a "contact us" e-mail days ago, but haven't gotten a response yet. Anyone have the ear of a moderator? It is a lot about Colonial history, beginning to current, and does have Schrade content. But it is long. And I would hate to mispost it.

Codger
 
Hey guys where do you think all the cloth in the cloths you are wearing is made and possable the cloths too. :D CHINA there are no mills in the good old USA any more and never was in Canada. :eek:
Pat
 
Hey guys where do you think all the cloth in the cloths you are wearing is made
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bogduck,

I'm not knocking importing foreign products and I'm not knocking purchasing foreign made products. When it comes to buying consumer goods, I'm not anti China-made.

My anger (actually it's more disgust than anger) is two-fold. One, I have a real problem with the US flag being prominantly displayed on the front of the box, suggesting "Made in the USA", when the whole thing is made in China. Two, I resent the Old Timer nameplate being placed on this knife. The Old Timer brand represents many decades of "hand crafted in America". The brand is steeped in American tradition and workmanship.

The fact that Taylor Cutlery has contracted to have knives manufactured in China is not the issue. The issue is that they shouldn't mislead buyers by displaying an American flag on the box, and they shouldn't disgrace the proud heritage of the Old Timer brand by putting that logo on a newly created, imported product.

LT, Codger, Textoothpk, you guys that have probably forgotten more about Old Timer than I know. Am I off base here? If I'm wrong, please correct me.
 
Legally, Taylor owns the OldTimer brand name and can do whatever they want with it.

But I'm 100% with you on the flagged box issue. It is certainly deceptive and explicitly against FTC regulations.

-Bob
 
You flatter me, Ted. No, I don't think you are off base a bit. Good point.

Yeah, we all have things made in China I suppose. Hard not to. In fact, it's hard to buy American when it comes to somethings, and yeah, clothes are one of them.

There is some value in free trade among countries. I'm one that believes that, anyway. Here's an example... I bought some light bulbs the other day.. made in VietNam. Damn. I spend a year there once, kinda was my senior trip, so to speak. And I understand we sell products there. That means trade representatives, people getting to know one another, learning about each other, finding that in many ways we are not that different. You know, when I buy something made in Mexico anymore, I think of our friend Don Luis.

That does not mean I support predatory trade practices, or ignore the fact that China's booming econony, sucking up all the steel and oil, is harming our economy.

But the point here is a good old American name peddled out to the highest bidder and the use of our flag in advertising a product not made here. I know there was some controversy in the Buck forum about China-made knives, and now that my favorite brand has been pirated off to the Orient, I feel bitter about it. Smokey knife works was selling some China-made Bucks with 'Last Production Run- El Cajon, Calif', etched on the blades. Huh?

sorry to ramble.

Phil
 
Phil, Phil,

Shake....Shake....

Snap out of it man!!!!!

Are you OK now??? You had me worried for a moment there....

You are certainly on a rollercoaster as are we all. You didn't know Sharon Kay too, did you?

The ebb and flow of anger and sadness over the "Schrade debacle" has us all twisting and turning.

My own way of dealing with it is to search out the remanents of Schrade stock for myself and others who know the difference, and try to identify and show the various flavors of "Taylorschrades", pattern copies, and find as many details about each as I can without having to lay out serious money to buy what I do not want to own in the first place. Hopefully, the info we compile will make it easier for the uninitiated to tell the difference.
 
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