The New T.H. Rinaldi Tempest

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Greetings All!

Many moons ago, I contacted Trace Rinaldi-
http://www.pe.net/~thrblade - after reading a review of one of his knives right here on BladeForums, to see if he could make me a custom fighter. I wanted something like his Warhawk, in A-2, with the two finger groove handle, but with a bird's beak pommel, a flat ground, clip-point blade whose profile was optimized for slashing and thrusting. I wanted the knife to flow well between grips. I wanted it to be slim for easy concealability, and to have a subdued blade finish. And finally, I wanted it to have beautiful scales and mosaic pins- because man does not live by combat capability alone
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. After some discussion, Trace was inspired to create this:

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If you'd like to see more detail, please go here:
http://www.pe.net/~thrblade/tempest.jpg

Purty ain't she?!
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I was immediately reminded of a small Filipino Bolo. The fit and finish are just perfect. The burgundy micarta scales have a subdued warmth like fine antique furniture, the mosaic pins standing out in perfect relief. Who says that a fighting blade has to be ugly? This blade is a Work of Art. In fact, Trace, himself, liked it so much that he named it the Tempest- because it is fast and furious like a storm- added it to his line of custom knives, and it is being featured in an upcoming article about his work in Tactical Knives. Pretty cool, huh?!
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The Stats:

Steel- 3/16" A-2 stock, heat treated and cryogenically stress-relieved by the incomparable Paul Bos to an Rc of 59-61.

OAL- 12".

Blade Length- 6 1/2", flat ground, clip-point(no false edge), slightly recurved profile, 1 1/2" wide at the choil. Edge is of the secondary bevel type @ 20 deg. The edge arrived wicked sharp.

Weight- 11 oz.

Balance Point- Right at the forefinger groove.

Handle- Full tang, double finger groove, with bird's beak pommel, and burgundy linen micarta scales with fancy mosaic pins.

Sheath- Concealex with Blade Tech "TEK-LOK" multicarry position clip.

Feel and Maneuverability:

The Tempest feels very comfortable and secure in the hand through all maneuvers and cutting tests. It flows easily from forward to reverse grip and from edge in to edge out reverse grip in realtime- i.e., during full speed hanging target and training dummy work.

With its rearward weight distribution, the knife prefers reverse grip to forward grip- it's speed and maneuverability really shine in reverse grip. Its balance point is too far back to allow it to backcut flow well- I can execute single witiks or backcuts with it easily, but when I try to flow through a series, it loses momentum.

After long periods of training against hard targets, the finger side of the handle irritates the fingers slightly. The edges of the micarta scales need to be rounded over a little more, as they are along the spine of the handle, which feels perfect.

Trace had informed me that one can grasp the knife further back on the handle with one's forefinger in the second finger groove to give oneself more reach. This is absolutely true, and it comes in extremely handy when I carry the Tempest in my JSP Associate Shoulder Harness- the concealex sheath provided adapted very easily to the Associate, BTW. The second finger groove just peeks out of the end of the sheath, allowing me to grasp the Tempest securely and immediately draw and slash at the target. The knife, with its slim profile, conceals extremely well.

Impact Resistance:

First, the Tempest withstood several very hard slaps- flat and spine of the blade- against the edge of an oak desk with no stress whatsoever.

Next, I executed full speed, full power witiks, backcuts, slap parries and checks with the edge, flat, and spine of the blade against my De Cuerda. The Tempest performed beautifully. The blade and handle never showed any signs of stress, and the blade sustained no chips, rolled edges, nothing. Paul Bos does it again
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. And, as far as cutting goes, the Tempest cut the rattan in forward grip- which is very good(many knives just ding it)- but in reverse grip with the edge in, I can actually hook the rattan and rip across it, cutting shavings from it! That's truly awesome. I've never owned a blade before that could do that. Just imagine what it would do to someone's arm.

Accuracy: I can hit Sharpie dots and lines on a spinning sheet of cardboard in realtime with thrusts and slashes within 1/4" at will. The Tempest is extremely accurate.

Further Cutting Tests:

Single hanging sheets of paper- perfectly clean straight cuts transecting the paper at any angle. Beautiful
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Cardboard- The Tempest slashes extremely well into the edge of 1/4" thick cardboard. I can slash perfectly straight the entire length of the edge at will at any angle.

Thrusting is not so good. The blade, due to its rounded tip and subdued polish, gets stuck about 1/3rd- 1/2 of the way up its length. I have to force it to go further.

Training Dummy- My training dummy has a wooden body and arms that are wrapped in 4" thick "10 year" mattress foam, which is in turn wrapped in many layers of duct tape. Many lesser knives will not cut through its tough skin at all in high speed maneuvers. The Tempest witiked and slashed extremely well into the dummy, with clean, surgical cuts often down to the wood core of its arms. Again, the Tempest shined in reverse grip against the dummy. Also, once again however, due to its lack of an extreme point, it did not thrust as well into the dummy in forward grip as I would like. Thrusting in reverse grip- due to the biomechanics involved- was better.

Empty Can Cutting- I can slash completely through an empty soda can sitting on a table about 50% of the time. This is beyond good for a knife with only a 6" blade. Trace, you really hit the mark with the Tempest's recurved blade profile for slashing.

Leg of Lamb Cutting- Because it had been some time since I had cut a leg of lamb with a blade of this size, and because I have never posted the results of leg of lamb cutting with a 6 1/2" fighter for you, I decided to compare the Tempest's flesh and bone cutting ability with that of two easily obtainable production fighters- the Cold Steel Tanto with a 6" blade, and the CS Bush Ranger with a 7 1/2" blade, both of 3/16" stock like the Tempest.

I chose a very large leg of lamb for this test. It was 22" long by a nearly uniform 7" wide along its entire length, by 4 1/2" wide. The Butcher left the thigh attached to the Ribs and the longitudinally cut sternum. The femur bone started out just under the skin at one end of the thigh and moved further in toward its center as it traversed down the thigh. It was 2" in dia. at its thick end and just less than 1/2" in dia. at its thin end. It was quite the leg of lamb, let me tell you!

First, as usual, I took an exploratory #3 horizontal forehand slash through the lower end of the thigh with the Tempest. It cleanly transected a 6" by 4" piece of muscle and cut through the 1/2" of bone like a charm
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. The Bush Ranger also successfully made this cut, but not as cleanly. It turned down into the meat to follow the line of least resistence and it shattered the bone rather than slicing through it like the Tempest. The Tanto did not cut all the way through the thigh- it made it 5" in.

Next, I took a #1 angle forehand diagonal slash into the thickest part of the thigh with the Tempest, coming in from the fleshy side. The Tempest cut easily through 7" of fascia and muscle down to the bone, which it cut into approximately 1/4" or so. The Bush Ranger cut all the way down to the bone as well, but with more resistence, again turning into the cut. It glanced off the bone, not cutting it. The Tanto once again cut 5" into the thigh. These results were reproducible with all three knives.

Next, I took another #1 angle slash with the Tempest into the thickest part of the thigh, but this time coming in from the bony side. The Tempest reproducibly cut almost half way into the femur- 3/4" or so. Clean cuts. The Bush Ranger and the Tanto consistently cut about 1/4" or so into the bone, shattering the osteum around the cut.

Next, I took another #1 angle slash with the Tempest through the sternum and ribs above the thigh. It consistently cut through the 1/2 sternum, a rib or two, and a good 2" into the muscle on the other side. The Bush Ranger cut all the way through the 1/2 sternum but no farther. The Tanto made it 3/4 of the way through the sternum. These results were again reproducible.

Finally, the Tempest thrust consistently about half way up its blade into the thigh. The Bush Ranger did likewise. The Tanto did better, thrusting all the way to its hilt.

Overall Impression:

I really like the Tempest- and grow even more fond of it with every training session. It is a terrific FMA style fighter. Anyone with F/IMA training will immediately feel at home with this knife. It works fantastically well in reverse grip by itself, and with a longer blade in the other hand in forward grip- it is an awesome doble knife blade. It slashes like a demon. It is easily concealable. And it is beautiful to look at.

My recommendations to Trace for future Tempests were to:

1. weight the knife so that it balances further forward, over the guard. This would make it move even better and backcut flow better in forward grip.

2. Give the blade a somewhat pointier tip, thus allowing it to thrust as well as it slashes.

3. Round over the lower edge of the handle's scales like he did the dorsal edge, making it even more comfortable during prolonged training.

Trace tells me that these slight modifications are no problem and will be incorporated into future Tempests.

Anyhow, that's it. One hell of a nice little fighter Trace. Bravo!

Mario


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Gaucho

Tuvo muy mala suerte...se callo en mi cuchillo.




[This message has been edited by Gaucho (edited 03-23-2000).]
 
Gaucho, that is an incredible knife. I've been a big fan of Trace's for some time now, and own several of his pieces, and can also attest that the fit and finish of his work is top notch. I have one of his earlier TKK's in BG-42 that has simply become my favorite knife to use for everything from cooking to camp chores to, um, "helping" with PVC pipe projects.

The Tempest looks outstanding, and I congratulate you and Trace for collaborating on this creation. We haven't seen Trace around on the forums for a while, and I've been wondering what he's been up to. I can see now that he's "alive and kicking", and still on top of his game.

That was also a great review, excellent description of the workmanship and handling characteristics of the Tempest. Owning Trace's work myself, I can understand exactly what you mean. Kudos!

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Don LeHue

Rome did not create a great empire by having meetings...they did it by killing all those who opposed them.
 
Don,

I love your signature! It says it all
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I'm glad to hear that you really like your Rinaldi as well. This was my first Rinaldi purchase, but it won't be my last.

The Tempest turned out as well as I could have hoped. Trace did a terrific job of turning my general goals for the knife into a blade that does its job with aplumb. He's even going to take mine back and rework the point and false edge for me so that it thrusts better. How's that for service?
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Mario

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Gaucho

Tuvo muy mala suerte...se callo en mi cuchillo.




[This message has been edited by Gaucho (edited 03-21-2000).]
 
Thanks Waxy
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You know, its interesting, but the only publisher so far who has approached me to write reviews for his magazine is James Keating for Modern Knives. That says something, IMHO, about his integrity and gonadal fortitude. And it also says a little something about some other publishers out there. I think that it will be very interesting to see what sort of serious review, if any, is published in Tactical Knives about Trace's Tempest. I can't wait.

BTW, just as soon as Trace reworks the tip for me, I am sending my Tempest to you to have you make me a couple of your fantastic sheaths
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Mario

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Gaucho

Tuvo muy mala suerte...se callo en mi cuchillo.


 
Gaucho, the knife has my current favorite design, just like my Busse Mean Street and the JSP Doshido.

Reverse grip does feel great, although I'd round the pommel a bit more on yours. The micarta feels great when you use any type of hammer grip.

Okay, how much was it?
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Smoke,

Good morning! Yeah, its a great design for a slashing style fighting blade. The pommel is actually very ergonomic and targets extremely well for punyo strikes.

Donna asked me about price yesterday on the FCA Forum, so I looked it up on Trace's website. He lists the Tempest at $240- $275, depending on the type of steel chosen and the degree of fanciness, I would imagine. I ordered mine many months ago, so I don't recall exactly what it cost, but I think that it was around $250.

Mario

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Gaucho

Tuvo muy mala suerte...se callo en mi cuchillo.


 
Great review Gaucho! very thorough VERY thorough:-) Just to clarify the "Tek Lok" is made by the great folks at Blade Tech not Edgetech. Also I happen to know Paul Bos reads these forums although he NEVER posts, I am sure he will be glad to see you appreciate his skill as a Heat Treater of the highest magnitude. He is a man that REALLY knows his business and is a hell of a good guy to boot.
I am very glad to see the blade has worked this well for you thus far.
Also to DonL good to hear from you buddy, glad to hear your knives are seeing "GOOD" use:-) Thanks for the kind words guys.


Trace Rinaldi
 
Trace,

You're more than welcome. Your Tempest did the deed. You and it deserve the praise
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My sincere apologies to Blade Tech for the mix up. It had been so long since you and I discussed putting the then new TEK-LOK on my Tempest's sheath, Trace, that I somehow got confused and didn't even realize it. Even though I didn't say much about it in my review, the TEK-LOK is extremely easy to use and allows you several different carry options. Good job Blade Tech
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Paul Bos has proven himself a heat treating God, as far as I am concerned
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. I've never had a blade heat treated and cryogenically stress-relieved by Paul- where the maker followed Paul's recommendations- roll an edge or chip, much less fail. Regardless of the type of steel used. This is certainly not the case with blades heat treated by some other folks. So, what else is there to say but Bravo! Paul and keep up the good work. We players out here appreciate what you do for us.

Mario

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Gaucho

Tuvo muy mala suerte...se callo en mi cuchillo.


 
Concerning Paul Bos heat treat, it would be interesting if you could get ahold of a Black Cloud bowie for comparison. They have a very dissimilar heat treat and it would be rewarding if you could detect a difference in performance.

I think Jim March has a blade from Black Cloud (an ATS-34 sword I think) and he mentioned along time ago that he was going to have either Joe Talmadge or Steve Harvey do an evaluation of it. If you have the inclination you might want to drop Jim an email.

Or you could go to Black Cloud directly as Ernie has been very open about the abilities of his heat treat and he might be interested enough in showing it to get you a blade to look at.

Concerning the CS blades, the Bush Ranger is Carbon V right? What about the Tanto? Did their edges suffer any damage from the bone impacts.

-Cliff
 
Cliff,

Good morning!

Its interesting that you should mention Black Cloud bowies because just today I put a 4th Generation Black Cloud Fighting Bowie in the mail back to its rightful owner after testing it extensively. The results were very interesting. I have not yet been able to contact Ernie Mayer to discuss them. Once I have, I will post my findings for you all.

As far as the CS's go. The Bush Ranger was Carbon V and the Tanto was AUS 8 steel. Neither sustained any damage- other than requiring resharpening afterwards, which the Rinaldi Tempest did not- in the leg of lamb cutting test- I would have posted that info if they had.

Mario

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Gaucho

Tuvo muy mala suerte...se callo en mi cuchillo.


 
After i get some orders filled (Cliffs being one of them), I will submit a knife for testing, the Combat Bowie. Let me know what steel you would like, i would prefer to send either 0-1, A-2, or D-2.

Thanks, Matt.

The model can be seen on my page, "Combat Bowie"



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Matt,

Outstanding! I think that your Combat Bowie has the potential to be a terrific medium length fighter
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. The blade profile looks great.

As I recall, you send out your A-2 and D-2 blades to be heat treated by Paul Bos. Well, if that's so, then we already know a tremendous job he does, so I would be more interested in testing a blade that you heat treated yourself. I'm sure that if you are testing each blade for toughness and edge retention before it leaves your shop, that it should do just fine.

I am also very interested to discover how the checkering feels on your bowie. I've been wondering about checkering on fighting blades for some time.

Anyhow, kudos to you, Matt, for putting yourself and your blade on the line like this. Who knows, maybe we'll get a 'Tactical Knives' article out of this
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I look forward to working with you.

Mario
 
Greetings All!

Cliff- or anyone else for that matter- do you have a current phone # for Ernie Mayer? He hasn't answered any of my e-mails and the phone # on his website is out of date with no new # given. Help!

Also, Cliff, do you know Jim Marsh's e-mail address as well? I'd really like to test that ATS-34 sword of Ernie's and compare its performance to the bowie.

TIA,

Mario

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Gaucho

Tuvo muy mala suerte...se callo en mi cuchillo.


 
SB,

Thanks
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. Its the blade that does all the talking. I just try my best to capture what it has to say.

Mario

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Gaucho

Tuvo muy mala suerte...se callo en mi cuchillo.


 
Jim's email is : jmarch@ricochet.net . As for contacting Mayer, try Steve Harvey he has a few blades from Black Cloud and might know the current contact information.

-Cliff
 
Thanks Cliff. I will E-mail Jim now.

I got ahold of Ernie's new E-mail address last night and sent him info this AM. We'll see what he says.

Thanks Again, and hopefully we'll have some interesting results to discuss soon.

Mario

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Gaucho

Tuvo muy mala suerte...se callo en mi cuchillo.


 
Congrats Trace!
With reviews like that it makes me want to buy one of yours. Until then I'll just keep making my own.
Thanks for all your help and tips, I appreciate it.




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