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The Orca: Eric Ochs design, Reate build, Massdrop release

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by JimMD, Aug 2, 2018.

  1. JimMD

    JimMD Gold Member Gold Member

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    Dec 6, 2017
    In case anyone's interested, tomorrow Massdrop releases the Orca, a well-established design from custom knifemaker Eric Ochs, built for Massdrop by Reate. This looks to be an impressive liner lock knife for the price, with available upgrade from the base G-10 version to marbled carbon fiber with Moku-Ti.
     
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  2. T.L.E. Sharp

    T.L.E. Sharp The Looking Edge Sharpening Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Jun 30, 2016
    Thanks for pointing it out. Great looking, reasonably priced knife.
     
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  3. Yo Mama

    Yo Mama

    Sep 25, 2011
    With another free ad for md why dont they have a paid vendor spot yet on the forum?

    .....knife also probably has a billboard on it with a md logo......just looked and yep it does
     
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  4. brownshoe

    brownshoe I support this site with my MIND

    Sep 6, 2002
    $180 or 180+120=$300 for a new factory knife design with no reputation. It's a "belt and suspenders knife" with thumb studs and flipper...Why? It's a brick at ~5oz and it's made out of 20th century steel. Massdrop is about marketing hype more than anything else.
     
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  5. Hackenslash

    Hackenslash Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 25, 2014
    We know how you feel about logos. Don't buy the knife.

    Ok, I wasn't going to get involved but I've gotta call you out on some of these comments. There's too much "wrong" in what you've said to let it stand as valid info. No reputation? Serious? So, you've never handled a Reate? Their reputation precedes them. If you can get a hold of one, I highly recommend it. They make some of the best production knives in the business. The knife seems a bargain given the high level of production Reate delivers. This would land the Orca as the cheapest Reate since the Hills and D9 were first available.
    Because some people, like me, enjoy multiple options for opening a folder. Sometimes its best to not flip your knife open in a blur and lock solidly with a "thunk" when in the workplace. Options are good. Sorry, but there doesn't appear to be a place to apply a zip tie.
    Right...RWL34 is last century steel? Dude, you must own a light saber! 4.75oz is a brick for a 3.5" blade with full liners? Are you just upset about everything in general today?
    Please detail how many MD developed knives you've purchased? You're opinion is wrong and could use some updating. I agree that we're in a sticky situation discussing MD knives with their forum status in question, but to deny they've brought some of the best new knives to market over the last year and a half is terribly uninformed.
     
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  6. Yo Mama

    Yo Mama

    Sep 25, 2011
    Definately not buying the knife and dont care if you know how I feel about the logo. I'll say it every time these come out on a thread till they want to be a vendor here which they have clearly chosen not to be. Md doesnt make knives so they are just hype.
     
  7. Hackenslash

    Hackenslash Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 25, 2014
    I don't think Massdrop's business decisions have any bearing on the quality of knives they develop, but that's why opinions are just opinions. It's an unfortunate situation that I hope finds a resolution but it doesn't make the knives "hype"...in my opinion. Enjoy your knives.
     
  8. SeppukuSamurai

    SeppukuSamurai Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 19, 2014
    Yeah because this is the setting in which your "comments" have a real impact. You're making a difference.

    I can see it now, Mass Drop reading through every single Bladeforums mention of them, elated with the publicity, yet, terrified of the BF Crusader, Yo Mama, whom mentions their negligence every chance he gets. Because he's a true troll. I mean concerned forumite.

    You should also go ahead and flame all of the other threads pertaining to makers that aren't supporting Bladeforums, which amount to A LOT.

    Thank goodness we have you!
     
  9. Makael

    Makael Leather Craftsman Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Oct 17, 2015
    You both have opinions. Both are welcome. No reason to castrate if you don't agree.
     
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  10. JimMD

    JimMD Gold Member Gold Member

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    Dec 6, 2017
    A Reate-built knife with marbled CF and Moku-Ti for $300 is tempting. And I've always been impressed with Eric Ochs's designs, though his knives all seem to be $1000+.

    I have two of the Massdrop/Ferrum Forge collaborations, the Gent and the Crux, and they're both outstanding in function, quality and value. They were built by WE, and I expect Reate can do at least as well with this design.

    I always buy a knife with the intention to use it, but my tendency to baby a given knife is in proportion to its cost and rarity. One nice thing about getting high-quality knives at reasonable prices is that I don't hesitate to use them.
     
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  11. marrenmiller

    marrenmiller Basic Member Basic Member

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    Apr 6, 2017
    I love that blade shape, but I'm not a fan of the milled clip at all. This seems like a good way to try a Reate-made knife relatively cheaply, though.
     
  12. Yo Mama

    Yo Mama

    Sep 25, 2011
    You really want to jump to personal attacks? That's just not the samurai way.
     
  13. Yo Mama

    Yo Mama

    Sep 25, 2011
    Good response and respectful. Thank you.
     
  14. kniferbro

    kniferbro

    Jan 22, 2011
    Not everyone who has a differing opinion and states it is a troll. I see that far too often here.

    On topic though, maybe someone can inform me what is the purpose of MD in these knife releases when another company like Reate is doing the mfg? I'm behind on MD, my apologies!

    I guess what I'm asking is why doesn't Ochs just do a collab with Reate? I've seen other makers do it
     
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  15. JimMD

    JimMD Gold Member Gold Member

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    Dec 6, 2017
    From what I've seen, Massdrop seems to generate ideas for projects on their own as well as through polls and discussions, getting input from customers. They appear to connect with knifemakers and coordinate between the designers and the manufacturers. Massdrop sells the knives and provides customer service.

    For the Orca, their website has interesting posts from both Jonas of Massdrop and Eric Ochs describing the process for this collaboration. From Eric's description, he redesigned his established Orca platform for the project and was very involved along the way, evaluating prototypes and getting personal input on them from other knifemakers. He said he's wanted to make a quality production version knife, and I guess this kind of project allows that to happen.
     
  16. AF

    AF Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    Because MD commissioned (or arranged) the run like a dealer exclusive? Less risk for Reate.
     
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  17. Hackenslash

    Hackenslash Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 25, 2014
    That's a good question and I think the answer might be a little different for each knife developed.

    Many of the smaller designers could never pre-sell enough of a new model to contract with a manufacturer like Reate to produce the minimum 600 or 1200 units. Many of the designers wouldn't want to get involved in the import process required to bring in knives from overseas. In these instances, Massdrop is acting as a distributor/middleman/financier. They play an important role but are still essentially a vendor. They guarantee a certain number of units are pre-sold at a price that helps the knives move. I'm not certain that the Swartz Perpetua or the Ochs Orca would exist without MD in the middle.

    Sometimes their role isn't as vital, but still as a vendor. The Bharucha Prism already existed as the Reate Baby Machine but MD helped to bring a different version of the knife to market. The Prism was more appealing to me because of the price and reduced weight. Likewise with Bob Terzuola's Compact Tactical Folder. I can't imagine spending the money required to get an ACTF so the CTF really resonated with me. Probably neither of these options would exist without a company like MD involved. Again, they're primarily a vendor but also a facilitator.

    Sometimes Massdrop has a more important role. They have a stable of knife knuts who offer feedback on proposed designs and prototypes. More than once, due to MD member feedback, changes have been made to either the function or style of a knife before it went into production. It's in cases like this that MD really blurs the lines between vendor and designer. I see them more as a "Knife Developer" than a simple vendor in these cases.

    Anyway, there's my take on it. It's a complicated subject and it would be made entirely simple if MD would pony up for a Vendor level membership!:confused:
     
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  18. kniferbro

    kniferbro

    Jan 22, 2011
    Thanks guys, makes sense :)
     
  19. marcinek

    marcinek Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 9, 2007
    Yep. My understanding is that, by including the price, even without a link....its a deal spot.
     
  20. SeppukuSamurai

    SeppukuSamurai Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 19, 2014
    Surely, but why would one feel the need to "say it every time these come out on a thread till they want to be a vendor here which they have clearly chosen not to be."

    IMO, that's trolling. I don't believe BF is in need of vendor only vigilante, but that's my opinion. If you aren't contributing something of value, just skip right on by the post.

    The fact is that all makers of knives support Bladeforums, whether that be directly or indirectly, by generating a product that warrants enthusiasm, ergo, creating enthusiasts. My favorite maker is a member here, not a paid one, and here I am, with a gold membership.

    ON TOPIC - Not a huge fan of liner locks, but the knife looks great. Happy to see the design alive and well, I've always liked it.
     

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